How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Nakena]

They're voluntarily celibate. Most men who are celibate do not have a choice in the matter.

I have a choice, I have 100 euro, I can go to the prostitutes.
And get some kosher food on the way too.

Now, some incels might be very poor and unable to afford it(the prostitute, maybe also the kosher food), but I sincerely doubt all would. Especially the incels who undergo plastic surgery.

Supposedly this is not what they want to do. They do strieve for an authentic girlfriend experience.

[Vetalia]

This is facetious, right?

It is, bitingly so.

[Cekoviu]

They're going from one of the worst ideologies ever to a mostly good one, so yeah, that's progress.

If you think incels have an ideology then you're seriously lacking in a fundamental understanding of what incels are and what they believe in.

Incel is technically a descriptor, but in practice, it very much is an ideology.

[Bear Stearns]

Standup comedians are a big no-go. They're strange people.

What about podcasters? Soundcloud rappers? Etsy people?

1) Any idiot with a microphone is a "podcaster" these days. My college roommates tried it. It's a very broad group of people, you'll have to narrow down your search parameters

2) I cannot comment on soundcloud rappers

3) My sister is an Etsy person, too close to home for me

[Bear Stearns]

Au contraire. The coke-fueled weekends they go on and boozy brunches they have are good fun.

Not sure I'd want to date a coke addict, but you do you.

Not addicts, but moderate users!

[Cekoviu]

This is facetious, right?

It is, bitingly so.

Thank the good Lord.

[The Blaatschapen]

I have a choice, I have 100 euro, I can go to the prostitutes.
And get some kosher food on the way too.

Now, some incels might be very poor and unable to afford it(the prostitute, maybe also the kosher food), but I sincerely doubt all would. Especially the incels who undergo plastic surgery.

Supposedly this is not what they want to do. They do strieve for an authentic girlfriend experience.

I believe that is €50 extra.

[The Black Forrest]

We Chads are stealing their chances!

Noted "Chad" Albert Einstein formed a relationship with a femoid and fathered a larva while pushing the Newtonian incels into lockers and denying them sweet pussy from that bitch who said no at the Ulm Senior Prom, despite him being a slimy Jew undermining marriage for us incels in favor of miscegenation!

Well played!

[Cekoviu]

Not sure I'd want to date a coke addict, but you do you.

Not addicts, but moderate users!

Still seems iffy to me.

[Bear Stearns]

Hinge let's you filter by political beliefs.

I wish you could filter by employment. Girls in advertising and tax audit are fun.

Jesus you're a bear Stearns man


anyway, pilots are hot, lowkey

To have actually been a Bear Stearns man

[The Union of the West]

I have a choice, I have 100 euro, I can go to the prostitutes.
And get some kosher food on the way too.

Now, some incels might be very poor and unable to afford it(the prostitute, maybe also the kosher food), but I sincerely doubt all would. Especially the incels who undergo plastic surgery.

Supposedly this is not what they want to do. They do strieve for an authentic girlfriend experience.

Rather, their perception of the “girlfriend experience.”

[Balnik]

State mandated gf

[-Ocelot-]

I have a choice, I have 100 euro, I can go to the prostitutes.
And get some kosher food on the way too.

Now, some incels might be very poor and unable to afford it(the prostitute, maybe also the kosher food), but I sincerely doubt all would. Especially the incels who undergo plastic surgery.

Supposedly this is not what they want to do. They do strieve for an authentic girlfriend experience.

It's more than that. Incels believe that 1. They deserve to have this "gf experience" 2. Some evil force has stolen it from them and they must take it back.

For having such elaborate worldviews, icels never consider that said "gf" is a human being just like them and not some object or goal they must obtain to have a fulfilled life.

[Bear Stearns]

State mandated gf

So...arranged marriages?

[Galloism]

How long have girls been told to wait for prince charming? These expectations have grown since the days of chivalry and the notion of marrying for love of instead of marrying who your parents tell you too. It's almost like your bitching about the notion of romantic love.

As an fyi I do think both sexes have ridiculous expectations of marriage and who to marry, but I think that is a different topic.

For what it's worth, there's a proven-optimal algorithm for deciding who to marry (assuming that you intend to marry only once, that by "optimal", we mean "maximises the probability that you end up married to the best partner available to you", and that there's no average change in the quality of potential partners as you age):

1. Estimate how many potential partners you're willing to go through before settling down.
2. Date ~37% of that number of potential partners (if your number was less than 9, instead use the numbers in the table here.
3. Marry the first interested potential partner who is you think would make a better partner than anybody in that first 37%.

See, stuff like this is what Des Bal is talking about when he says approach dating like a Vulcan.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Supposedly this is not what they want to do. They do strieve for an authentic girlfriend experience.

It's more than that. Incels believe that 1. They deserve to have this "gf experience" 2. Some evil force has stolen it from them and they must take it back.

For having such elaborate worldviews, icels never consider that said "gf" is a human being just like them and not some object or goal they must obtain to have a fulfilled life.

They often have very skewed perceptions of what a relationship is.

[Cekoviu]

State mandated gf

Where do these state-provided girlfriends come from, pray tell? Because I'm definitely going to start an armed uprising if the state tries to take away mine and other women's bodily autonomy so that entitled men can have sex.

[Thepeopl]

You don't walk up to a victim of bullying and say "if you just talked to the bullies, you wouldn't get beaten up by them, they're people too

Actually, that works wonders. As long as you keep the talk open, honest and curious.
Ask: why do you do (describe behaviour in neutral terms) this?
And depending upon what they anwser:
a)why do you think that this is ok behaviour?
b)What do you think I could change about this?
c) how would you feel if it happened to you?

[Costa Fierro]

Respect and honesty, caring and love makes you a male feminist?

It does.

Let's start with building up healthy self esteem.

And to do that, you do not seek validation from others.

Yes and no. You want to have a partner; sometimes validation is involved.[/quote]

And in order to get one (why you would is beyond me), you need good self esteem. Good self esteem doesn't come from others, it comes from yourself.

[Vetalia]

Thank the good Lord.

Don't worry, if you see a post from me in General it will be heavily slanted towards brutal satire in a faithful Catholic vein. I think I lambasted that mayor in Alabama just now along the same lines.

[Bear Stearns]

Not addicts, but moderate users!

Still seems iffy to me.

I look for three things in a woman

I'm trying to date these women aha, but they make for fun friends while I'm still in my 20s.

Fuck this incomprehensible - maybe I shouldn't have gotten drunk at lunch

[Costa Fierro]

You don't walk up to a victim of bullying and say "if you just talked to the bullies, you wouldn't get beaten up by them, they're people too

Actually, that works wonders. As long as you keep the talk open, honest and curious.
Ask: why do you do (describe behaviour in neutral terms) this?
And depending upon what they anwser:
a)why do you think that this is ok behaviour?
b)What do you think I could change about this?
c) how would you feel if it happened to you?

Now you have a broken nose.

Might want to rethink that approach.

[Galloism]

Is inceldom a big enough issue that it's worth giving up the acceptance of casual and premarital sex in order to solve?

No. And I reject the premise that we should primarily blame the sexual revolution for incels.

Tbh, I blame the general absence of fathers. Once upon a time, having two parents was a powerful stabilizing influence, but now without two parents we have a lot of social maladies.

[The Black Forrest]

It's more than that. Incels believe that 1. They deserve to have this "gf experience" 2. Some evil force has stolen it from them and they must take it back.

For having such elaborate worldviews, icels never consider that said "gf" is a human being just like them and not some object or goal they must obtain to have a fulfilled life.

They often have very skewed perceptions of what a relationship is.

And they don't want to hear anything about it; just acknowledge they are right.

[Liriena]

When it comes to men, it's always somebody else's fault and men never do anything wrong, and any talk about the actually misogynistic death cult that's incels that doesn't frame men exclusively as victims of something is feminist abuse. When men start worshipping mass murderers and fantasizing about sexually enslaving little girls, it's because women made them do it.

The problem is

Asides from the biotruth thing, the problem with incels is that their dogma is a downwards spiral of increasingly vitriolic misconceptions about sex, sexuality and gender. The problem is that many of them think that lack of sex is a human rights violation and that they're entitled to sexually enslave women (and little girls) or genocide them, depending on what they're mad about that day. The problem is that they constantly dehumanize women and openly encourage each other to be sexually predatory, abusive, violent, even towards their own family. The problem is that they've taught each other all manner of self-serving, grade-A bullshit that exists solely to justify them either wallowing in misery, committing suicide or going out and committing mass murder.

And your solution is telling them "actually, demonizing women is good so long as its not for biological reasons".

I've been clear about that multiple times.

I'm not giving you brownie points for making your misogyny sociological instead of biological. Acknowledging that incels are absolutely fucking idiots when it comes to women's biology is the bare minimum you can do if you're not actively trying to cover for their misogyny to turn this into yet another "women are to blame" screed.

So you're full of it here mate.

You just spent the entirety of this thread desperately trying to argue that women are the real source of the incel problem, and bashing anyone who dared to focus on the dangers of incels' misogyny and who proposed ideas aimed at curtailing that misogyny.