How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Makeup is a tool to enhance. If you believe everyone looks always like a million bucks without a little aid, I’m not sure you’re having proper expectations.

Of course not, but that should be ok. Our society puts unreasonable standards on both men and women.

There is such a thing as putting makeup on because you’re doing it for yourself, and not to get laid.

To add, men also go to some lengths to “manipulate”. They exaggerate claims, brag about money or property. So you’re essentially complaining about a behavior you yourself have, very likely, engaged in.

When I was young and stupid, sure.

Now I try very hard to be who I am. I'm trying to be ok with that (easier said than done).

Not everyone acts like you. Not everyone is comfortable in their own skin and need a little help.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Someone PM their resume (you can sanitize it to make it anonymous if you wish). If it's good I'll get you an interview at my firm.

Nah, I’m good.

[Ethel mermania]

So we know the anthropological and evolutionary psychology of make up. Which in terms of accusing women of consciously trying to manipulate men means... pretty much nothing?

There's a reason women wear makeup to the bar but not to play video games.

And there's statistics. They may not state they use it to be more attractive, but they overwhelmingly admit it makes them more attractive than they are naturally.

https://www.her.ie/beauty/survey-why-we ... -it-173898

Seventy-five per cent of women said that they wear makup every day. While 18 per cent used it as "a tool to express their personalities" and 11 per cent confessed it was to attract a partner, 74 per cent of respondents revealed that they used makeup to feel more confident about themselves.

Over 82 per cent of suveyed women said that makeup made them look more attractive, while a whopping 43 per cent confessed that they would never be seen in public bare faced. Two thirds of women said they considered makeup a necessity in their everyday lives.

Incidentally, you shouldn't have to be beautiful to be confident. This is something society tells women that is not cool.

But to the point in question, 82% agreed it makes them look "more attractive" than they are naturally, "attractive" is defined as:

Definition of attractive
1a : arousing interest or pleasure : CHARMING
an attractive smile
b : APPEALING
an attractive offer
2 : having or relating to the power to attract
attractive forces between molecules

For the sake of brevity, we'll assume they aren't trying to attract oppositely charged molecules.

So they know for a fact this psychologically manipulates other people (as the other article noted, both men AND women) into thinking they are more attractive than they are. 82% are aware of this fact.


The thing is, when women do things to try and attract a partner that involves sending false signals, they're "empowered". When men do it, they're scum.

I never thought of myself as scum for trying to look nice for a date. I have never been called scum for dressing up for a date, shaving, getting a hair cut, shining my shoes, bringing flowers.

I often work in subway tunnels for a living, wearing track shoes, ripped Jean's, and steel dust coated clothing. Am I being false for cleaning up for a date?

[Des-Bal]

I mean, that's what makeup does.

There's a really neat article on it.

I actually didn't even know that was a talking point of his - I just read a lot of science articles.

It's not about the make-up does its about what you're trying to do. Do you approach makeup like a person or a scary vulcan?

[Bear Stearns]

Someone PM their resume (you can sanitize it to make it anonymous if you wish). If it's good I'll get you an interview at my firm.

Nah, I’m good.

Entry level pays $85k + bonus

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Legalize, tax and, regulate prostitution.


Oh and millions more in mental health care spending.

I can get behind this. We also need to try and nudge people away from the toxic communities that help perpetuate this nonsense as much as possible.

[Bear Stearns]

Also, is anyone down to sacrifice a goat?

[The South Falls]

Edit: saw your answer, your not, but why is making yourself attractive a bad thing?

I honestly don't think it is.

But I'm not happy with the unreasonable expectations of attractiveness for both men and women.

We have to be 6' or taller weigh 230lb or so, with 1% body fat or less, and a great face to be a 5. Women have to be between 5'2 and 5'8 with no fat weighing 130lb or so. And great hair. with the face requirements.

[Ethel mermania]

Edit: saw your answer, your not, but why is making yourself attractive a bad thing?

I honestly don't think it is.

But I'm not happy with the unreasonable expectations of attractiveness for both men and women.

How long have girls been told to wait for prince charming? These expectations have grown since the days of chivalry and the notion of marrying for love of instead of marrying who your parents tell you too. It's almost like your bitching about the notion of romantic love.

As an fyi I do think both sexes have ridiculous expectations of marriage and who to marry, but I think that is a different topic.

[Bear Stearns]

The battle of the sexes should be settled with thermonuclear warfare.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The battle of the sexes should be settled with thermonuclear warfare.

Are you Kim Jong-Un?

[The South Falls]

The battle of the sexes should be settled with thermonuclear warfare.

Imma get my shotgun.

[The South Falls]

The battle of the sexes should be settled with thermonuclear warfare.

Are you Kim Jong-Un?

we're at war, no talking

[Ethel mermania]

The battle of the sexes should be settled with thermonuclear warfare.

Imma get my shotgun.

Shouldn't we be getting clubs and looking for the womenz with long hair?

[The South Falls]

Imma get my shotgun.

Shouldn't we be getting clubs and looking for the womenz with long hair?

feeeeeemales, you mean

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Shouldn't we be getting clubs and looking for the womenz with long hair?

feeeeeemales, you mean

Since we’re talking about incels, it should be “feeeeeeemmoooiidddsssssss”.

[The South Falls]

feeeeeemales, you mean

Since we’re talking about incels, it should be “feeeeeeemmoooiidddsssssss”.

or roooooaaaaassssstttttiiieeesss

[Ostroeuropa]

Why?
Because women have told you it is and you've internalized that idea?

Your persecution complex was weird but tolerable when it was against feminists. Now that you're directing it at a whole gender, though, it's just plain weird.

Dating isn't dominated by feminists for the most part.

[Ethel mermania]

Are you Kim Jong-Un?

we're at war, no talking

+1 interweb for you.

[Ostroeuropa]

I mean, that's what makeup does.

There's a really neat article on it.

I actually didn't even know that was a talking point of his - I just read a lot of science articles.

It's not about the make-up does its about what you're trying to do. Do you approach makeup like a person or a scary vulcan?

Mate.

Have you talked to women when they're applying makeup and why they're doing particular things?

The scary Vulcan approach is literally how you do it right. They don't just vaguely apply it to look good, there's an entire science behind that shit and the effects it has on their appearance and why those effects are desirable.

Eyeliner to draw attention to eyes and make eyes look bigger because neoteny, and so on.

[Rezmaeristan]

I mentioned that the sexual revolution was probably the main cause of this epidemic. So now the question is(for non-traditionalists; I often notice that a lot of problems arise from people abandoning their ancient customs, inceldom being one of these problems)

Is inceldom a big enough issue that it's worth giving up the acceptance of casual and premarital sex in order to solve?

[Takiran]

Focus more on depression and body positivity (and not just focusing on the overweight), most incels have low self esteem and find themselves unattractive and ask their fellow incels for their opinion on their looks, who often also say they're unattractive. We also need to let them know that women are probably not going to throw themselves on them, they need to actually make an effort to get women, Elliot Rodger for example was mainly motivated to murderously massacre (alliteration) women because they wouldn't ask him out, but he never asked them out either.
So basically, treat depression better, stop making people think they're ugly and tell them to actually talk to women.

[Bear Stearns]

Your persecution complex was weird but tolerable when it was against feminists. Now that you're directing it at a whole gender, though, it's just plain weird.

Dating isn't dominated by feminists for the most part.

Hinge let's you filter by political beliefs.

I wish you could filter by employment. Girls in advertising and tax audit are fun.

[Liriena]

Is inceldom a big enough issue that it's worth giving up the acceptance of casual and premarital sex in order to solve?

No. And I reject the premise that we should primarily blame the sexual revolution for incels.

[Liriena]

Your persecution complex was weird but tolerable when it was against feminists. Now that you're directing it at a whole gender, though, it's just plain weird.

Dating isn't dominated by feminists for the most part.

I didn't claim otherwise. Not that the distinction makes much of a difference anymore, eh?