How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Crockerland]

But to manage it, there's not a lot that's possible to do, except maybe change the storylines and casting for "romantic comedies" and Disney films. Afaik, the only Disney animation with a butt-ugly male protagonist was The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and afaik, Quasimodo there was just misshapen, rather than actually ugly, with bad skin etc. And he didn't get the girl that he fell in love with either.

Maybe he didn't respect women enough??

[Special Aromas]

Manage the incel epidemic by considering those unlucky outsiders on the Tinder wheel to lower their expectations and pursue an older age demographic instead where their odds might improve. The ratio of women to men improves until it's almost 2:1 by the time you reach your mid-60's. Instead of struggling to come to terms with the realization that you may not be the last word in male physique, romantic persona and/or compatible lifestyle, go down a weight class and score some knockout blows!

[Heloin]

But to manage it, there's not a lot that's possible to do, except maybe change the storylines and casting for "romantic comedies" and Disney films. Afaik, the only Disney animation with a butt-ugly male protagonist was The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and afaik, Quasimodo there was just misshapen, rather than actually ugly, with bad skin etc. And he didn't get the girl that he fell in love with either.

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

[Ethel mermania]

But to manage it, there's not a lot that's possible to do, except maybe change the storylines and casting for "romantic comedies" and Disney films. Afaik, the only Disney animation with a butt-ugly male protagonist was The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and afaik, Quasimodo there was just misshapen, rather than actually ugly, with bad skin etc. And he didn't get the girl that he fell in love with either.

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

Its better than getting the sheep.


No offense intended Blaatshapen

[Nakena]

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

Its better than getting the sheep.


No offense intended Blaatshapen

And now when the girl gets the sheep.

[Infected Mushroom]

But to manage it, there's not a lot that's possible to do, except maybe change the storylines and casting for "romantic comedies" and Disney films. Afaik, the only Disney animation with a butt-ugly male protagonist was The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and afaik, Quasimodo there was just misshapen, rather than actually ugly, with bad skin etc. And he didn't get the girl that he fell in love with either.

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

because disney princesses are powerful

they have always been

[Heloin]

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

because disney princesses are powerful

they have always been

Esmeralda isn't a princess.

[Infected Mushroom]

because disney princesses are powerful

they have always been

Esmeralda isn't a princess.

you make a good point here...

However, Disney princesses (and female characters in general) are powerful players shaping future generations

at the leaning centre I work at for example, close to literally every 3rd little girl or so is obsessed with Elsa, princess Jasmine, Aurora etc

In fact, there is talk about the spillover effect of Frozen 2 when it gets released (it is expected that close to every girl will dress up as Elsa)

this is a huge, powerful shaping of norms I tell you...

[Heloin]

Esmeralda isn't a princess.

you make a good point here...

However, Disney princesses (and female characters in general) are powerful players shaping future generations

at the leaning centre I work at for example, close to literally every 3rd little girl or so is obsessed with Elsa, princess Jasmine, Aurora etc

In fact, there is talk about the spillover effect of Frozen 2 when it gets released (it is expected that close to every girl will dress up as Elsa)

this is a huge, powerful shaping of norms I tell you...

And this has to do with treating getting the girl as a prize in films how?

[Kaztropol]

But to manage it, there's not a lot that's possible to do, except maybe change the storylines and casting for "romantic comedies" and Disney films. Afaik, the only Disney animation with a butt-ugly male protagonist was The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and afaik, Quasimodo there was just misshapen, rather than actually ugly, with bad skin etc. And he didn't get the girl that he fell in love with either.

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

That's part of the problem with the plots of these films and animations. The girl is the object/goal, rather than a person in their own right with their own aspirations. Seen as a puzzle to unlock with the proper method.

Compare the "romance" quests in videogames. Do this, do that, do this other thing, and character X will fall in love with the protagonist.

If you persist, and try different approaches, you will beat the puzzle and unlock the genitalia of the objective. That's the message that those films & animations send.

[Nakena]

Why should getting the girl in the end be considered the goal?

because disney princesses are powerful

they have always been

Good princesses get into Heaven. Evil witches and evil queens get in everywhere.

[The Liberated Territories]

This assumes that chad isn't fucking a larger proportion of them relative to the number.

It is, but the cohort "n" of chads within the market isn't large enough to constitute an actual threat

Maybe not, but that assumes strict monogamy, which isn't true. Humans are naturally hypergamous and polygamous.

[Cekoviu]

Why am I nauseous all of a sudden?

New to NationStates? You'll get used to such opinions don't worry.

Given that I've been here for two years, I'm not sure that I will.

[Cekoviu]

A lot of romantic comedies, and disney films, have a male character seek a romantic/sexual relationship with a female character, and the plot is contrived such that the male is persistent in their advances, until eventually the object of their affections finally gives in/realises something. Their persistence 'proves' them as a suitable mate or something.
But ofc, nobody wants to see some ugly dude in a film, so the characters are always played by attractive actors, occasionally uglied up with makeup etc. Heroes are good looking. Villains are ugly.

Beauty and the Beast.

[Nakena]

New to NationStates? You'll get used to such opinions don't worry.

Given that I've been here for two years, I'm not sure that I will.

Supposedly once upon a time it was a liberal Hugbox.

Now the people from back then saying its a fascist Hugbox.

Makes you really think. Doesn't it?

[Cekoviu]

Given that I've been here for two years, I'm not sure that I will.

Supposedly once upon a time it was a liberal Hugbox.

Now the people from back then saying its a fascist Hugbox.

Makes you really think. Doesn't it?

It's more just a roach motel for extreme ideologues, I'd say.

[Heloin]

A lot of romantic comedies, and disney films, have a male character seek a romantic/sexual relationship with a female character, and the plot is contrived such that the male is persistent in their advances, until eventually the object of their affections finally gives in/realises something. Their persistence 'proves' them as a suitable mate or something.
But ofc, nobody wants to see some ugly dude in a film, so the characters are always played by attractive actors, occasionally uglied up with makeup etc. Heroes are good looking. Villains are ugly.

Beauty and the Beast.

No one's a Chad like Gaston.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Beauty and the Beast.

No one's a Chad like Gaston.

All Disney heroes and villains are Chads. Except Scar. Scar was an incel.

[The Blaatschapen]

No one's a Chad like Gaston.

All Disney heroes and villains are Chads. Except Scar. Scar was an incel.

How can someone be an incel when they have the voice of Jeremy Irons?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

All Disney heroes and villains are Chads. Except Scar. Scar was an incel.

How can someone be an incel when they have the voice of Jeremy Irons?

It’s all in the forehead. *runs away*

[Nakena]

Supposedly once upon a time it was a liberal Hugbox.

Now the people from back then saying its a fascist Hugbox.

Makes you really think. Doesn't it?

It's more just a roach motel for extreme ideologues, I'd say.

More for ideologized people. But generally I do not perceive it as an motel for extreme ideologues. It could be far worse. I also disagree with the notion that we're anywhere close to a /pol/ lite for a number of reasons. The alt-right and similar crowds never managed to gain a foothold here for very long.

[Cekoviu]

It's more just a roach motel for extreme ideologues, I'd say.

More for ideologized people. But generally I do not perceive it as an motel for extreme ideologues. It could be far worse. I also disagree with the notion that we're anywhere close to a /pol/ lite for a number of reasons. The alt-right and similar crowds never managed to gain a foothold here for very long.

We do, however, have a disproportionate amount of fascists, anarchists, assorted sexists, and authoritarian communists.

[Kaztropol]

A lot of romantic comedies, and disney films, have a male character seek a romantic/sexual relationship with a female character, and the plot is contrived such that the male is persistent in their advances, until eventually the object of their affections finally gives in/realises something. Their persistence 'proves' them as a suitable mate or something.
But ofc, nobody wants to see some ugly dude in a film, so the characters are always played by attractive actors, occasionally uglied up with makeup etc. Heroes are good looking. Villains are ugly.

Beauty and the Beast.

Neither the animation or the live-action Disney film, have the Beast portrayed as a particularly monstrous individual. He appears as a well-groomed non-human individual. Not as a monster.

And the whole Beauty & the Beast tale is a bit creepy - the original versions were aimed at preparing young women for arranged marriages, while the Disney versions have Beauty agreeing to be the Beast's companion under duress, to save her father. And a bunch of other weird acts occurring under duress.

A relationship born out of duress and violent/dangerous situations is hardly ideal.

[Diopolis]

Given that I've been here for two years, I'm not sure that I will.

Supposedly once upon a time it was a liberal Hugbox.

Now the people from back then saying its a fascist Hugbox.

Makes you really think. Doesn't it?

I remember those days. It's not a fascist hugbox, but it is noticeably to the right of where it was.

[Cekoviu]

Beauty and the Beast.

Neither the animation or the live-action Disney film, have the Beast portrayed as a particularly monstrous individual. He appears as a well-groomed non-human individual. Not as a monster.

And the whole Beauty & the Beast tale is a bit creepy - the original versions were aimed at preparing young women for arranged marriages, while the Disney versions have Beauty agreeing to be the Beast's companion under duress, to save her father. And a bunch of other weird acts occurring under duress.

A relationship born out of duress and violent/dangerous situations is hardly ideal.

Oh, absolutely, it's fucked up. But it is an example of a story where the man is not unambiguously a villain in the Disney version and is also ugly.