How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Independent Pacific Junta]

It should also be noted that totalitarianism is not usually corrupt and promotes something higher than the tangible state itself, as opposed to authoritarianism which is corrupt and rules for the simple sake of tangible authority. The CCP is authoritarian, the Iron Guard and PNF were totalitarian.

[Ostroeuropa]

Incel ideology goes beyond the sexual too. It involves black-pill conclusions about women that relate mens broader social situation as regards misandry and so on to inherent female traits, hence the rise of the betas stuff. (The notion that women are not capable of not escalating the current trend and will push things to a point where mass violent backlash occurs.).

It's a mens group seemingly focused on sex but which talks about wider misandry through the prism of sex and inherent biology, proposing that the only outcomes are female supremacy or male supremacy, as women are not capable of doing otherwise.

The violent backlash component is why we see so many shooters from this group.

[Vetalia]

No, what's to be feared more is getting hit with sex offender status, which comes with a number of downsides. The more conservative your locale is, the more likely a sex crime won't be distinguished from worser sex crimes and will set you back. To be labeled as immoral is less of a big deal in a permissively liberal urban city where tons of people are rude and no good anyways, than it is to be considered immoral and disgusting in a rural or suburban context, where most people living there can shun and shame you for years to come, especially if its where more people know everyone else.

Sex offender status is really, really rare for soliciting/prostitution unless it involves felony solicitation or human trafficking, which typically involve underage prostitutes and/or proof of intent to procure underage prostitutes; even in states with stricter laws it would be highly unlikely to be required to register unless you're a repeat offender. A DUI would have much harsher penalties.

[Vetalia]

It should also be noted that totalitarianism is not usually corrupt and promotes something higher than the tangible state itself, as opposed to authoritarianism which is corrupt and rules for the simple sake of tangible authority. The CCP is authoritarian, the Iron Guard and PNF were totalitarian.

Sure, the Stalinist USSR and modern day North Korea clearly prove this. Nobody in such circumstances would ever dream to abuse their total power over people to enrich themselves.

[Cekoviu]

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

Totalitarianism is when the state monopolizes influence and usually strives to change the fabric of a nation and promote a specific ideology. Slapping somebody during coitus has nothing to do with it.

Is that all you think doms do? How naïve.

[Arthenius]

My other theory is that the traditional religious(X)feminist ideology regarding sexuality has a minor factor in this kind of belief and behavior.

I don't think so, most developing countries are far more religious than the Western world but aren't plagued by those goofballs.

Once again, I was talking about Western countries.

[Scomagia]

Hedonists are fun until you need someone competent and they're still fucked up.

This is a recurring problem for some of my coworkers. There have been some shitshows.

Unsurprising. Hedonists are typically unreliable.

[Arthenius]

Soliciting is really hard to prove and even if you are actually busted for prostitution it's not a serious crime, at most a low-level misdemeanor in all states. You could theoretically get in a lot more trouble if the prostitute is underage but that's about it. I wouldn't recommend it given the circumstances most prostitutes are in but it's not the end of the world if you did so, you would suffer much harsher penalties for drunk driving, for example.

No, what's to be feared more is getting hit with sex offender status, which comes with a number of downsides. The more conservative your locale is, the more likely a sex crime won't be distinguished from worser sex crimes and will set you back. To be labeled as immoral is less of a big deal in a permissively liberal urban city where tons of people are rude and no good anyways, than it is to be considered immoral and disgusting in a rural or suburban context, where most people living there can shun and shame you for years to come, especially if its where more people know everyone else.

No kidding, there is a real "Gentlemen's Club" within the borders of the suburb that I live.

[Arthenius]

If you went to a church that espoused a theology of works-based salvation and then whined they just sat around in church preaching rather than doing good works because your window in to their religion was you attending church meetings, you'd sound just as ridiculous as you do here, but it's a common "Gotcha" people use against MGTOWs.

And everyone who doesn't actually have a problem with female humans believes that trying to cut them out of society, blaming them for all of societies current gender issues, all the while doing nothing but complaining about how terrible they are on the internet (Or even relying on women to keep up their quality of life), thinks that they sound ridiculous.

But if you try to tell them that then they'll whine about you harassing them or victimize themselves or go on about how you need to "Take the red/black pill and open you eyes to the evils of women" while living in their mom's or sister's houses.

Honestly, my view is that it is their freedom of expression to complain about women, even if you consider it bad. I think feminism has indeed contributed in a large way to modern society's gender tensions and issues.

[Arthenius]

Hedonism implies the opposite of inceldom. It would mean they were actually having fun instead of pouting.

Also, incels are basically a rejection of modern dating trends and customs, so... Dunno what you're getting at.

They're reactionary hierarchical capitalists, sure, and the decadence of the West is a major cause of it, but I hardly see how it's democracy's fault.

Incels are basically sexual totalitarians, aren't they?

They’re not the hedonists, they’re ugly losers who want to join in because it’s been made cool to be. Democracy as we know it will lead to a spiritually weak state and therefore nation lacking the aspect of esoteric grandeur, and therefore a disconnected and self-serving populace.

I don't believe democracy is to blame for spiritual decline.

[Arthenius]

Now "sexual totalitarianism" that does sound almost like an oxymoron.

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

I thought totalitarianism was against all sexuality.

[Arthenius]

Incel ideology goes beyond the sexual too. It involves black-pill conclusions about women that relate mens broader social situation as regards misandry and so on to inherent female traits, hence the rise of the betas stuff. (The notion that women are not capable of not escalating the current trend and will push things to a point where mass violent backlash occurs.).

It's a mens group seemingly focused on sex but which talks about wider misandry through the prism of sex and inherent biology, proposing that the only outcomes are female supremacy or male supremacy, as women are not capable of doing otherwise.

The violent backlash component is why we see so many shooters from this group.

Like the women's groups that talk about misogyny and prejudice against women in several areas including one focused on sex too, also blaming it on inherent biology?

[Independent Pacific Junta]

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

I thought totalitarianism was against all sexuality.

Not necessarily. Mussolini’s regime wasn’t, I’m not, although Ingsoc is. As to how you manage the incels? You don’t. They, and many other social problems similar and dissimilar are tiny parts of the damage done by spiritual anarchy that arose out of Modern Westernism. We should be asking ourselves; “How do we manage Modern Westernism?”

[Costa Fierro]

I'd say the NoFap-ers are well within their right to be proud of their self-control while being members of a society what abhors the notion of someone who isn't promiscuous or impulsive.

Or a bunch of egoistic puritans who think porn and masturbation is harming society and that your seed should be used to pump out more white children.

I agree, to an extent, though the incels feed into their own issues at atleast as much as our current culture does.

Incels don't feed anything into their own issues. Their issues are beyond their control.

[Thanatttynia]

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

I thought totalitarianism was against all sexuality.

Totalitarianism has usually harnessed sexuality for the state's aims; fascists were particularly adept at redirecting libidinal impulses into violence, hero worship, cults of death, etc.

edit lol this made me think: bringing back (actual) national service would probably end incels. Granted we'd end up with a whole host of other social problems but we can burn those bridges when we get to them?

[Cekoviu]

Incel ideology goes beyond the sexual too. It involves black-pill conclusions about women that relate mens broader social situation as regards misandry and so on to inherent female traits, hence the rise of the betas stuff. (The notion that women are not capable of not escalating the current trend and will push things to a point where mass violent backlash occurs.).

It's a mens group seemingly focused on sex but which talks about wider misandry through the prism of sex and inherent biology, proposing that the only outcomes are female supremacy or male supremacy, as women are not capable of doing otherwise.

The violent backlash component is why we see so many shooters from this group.

Like the women's groups that talk about misogyny and prejudice against women in several areas including one focused on sex too, also blaming it on inherent biology?

This is peak whataboutism.

[Cappuccina]

I'd say the NoFap-ers are well within their right to be proud of their self-control while being members of a society what abhors the notion of someone who isn't promiscuous or impulsive.

Or a bunch of egoistic puritans who think porn and masturbation is harming society and that your seed should be used to pump out more white children.

I agree, to an extent, though the incels feed into their own issues at atleast as much as our current culture does.

Incels don't feed anything into their own issues. Their issues are beyond their control.

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

The incels contribute to the issues that lead to their
perdicament in the first place, they view sex as the goal of life, their entire community is centered on them not have sex and complaining about it. Instead of divorcing themselves from the idea that whether or not you're a virgin makes or breaks you, the fall right in it. The incels must be the most masochistic community in history.

[Cekoviu]

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

I mean, you could relatively more reasonably make that argument for watching porn (still wrong), but masturbation only inherently indicates obsession with sex insofar as sex itself does.

[Costa Fierro]

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

Masturbation is a natural thing, there are many species that engage in it besides humans. Furthermore pornography is not harmful to society, and a large amount of the studies are based on the same flawed reasoning as people who claim video games cause violence.

The incels contribute to the issues that lead to their perdicament in the first place, they view sex as the goal of life, their entire community is centered on them not have sex and complaining about it. Instead of divorcing themselves from the idea that whether or not you're a virgin makes or breaks you, the fall right in it. The incels must be the most masochistic community in history.

As has already been demonstrated in this thread by multiple people, incels are not purely interested in sex.

[Grenartia]

Easy, we... uncel them.

huehuehue

That and we send them to Croatia.

No, South Sudan. Croatia is too good for them.

Don't put them too close to Chad.

[Cappuccina]

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

I mean, you could relatively more reasonably make that argument for watching porn (still wrong), but masturbation only inherently indicates obsession with sex insofar as sex itself does.

I'm not being facetious here, but what?

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

Masturbation is a natural thing, there are many species that engage in it besides humans. Furthermore pornography is not harmful to society, and a large amount of the studies are based on the same flawed reasoning as people who claim video games cause violence.

The incels contribute to the issues that lead to their perdicament in the first place, they view sex as the goal of life, their entire community is centered on them not have sex and complaining about it. Instead of divorcing themselves from the idea that whether or not you're a virgin makes or breaks you, the fall right in it. The incels must be the most masochistic community in history.

As has already been demonstrated in this thread by multiple people, incels are not purely interested in sex.

Natural =/= Good, rape is natural, greed is natural, doesn't make them beneficial. Also, porn is quite a bit different from videogames.

Let's be real here, all they actually care about is sex. To them having a relationship is owning a sex slave.

[Cekoviu]

I mean, you could relatively more reasonably make that argument for watching porn (still wrong), but masturbation only inherently indicates obsession with sex insofar as sex itself does.

I'm not being facetious here, but what?

Merely indulging yourself in an activity giving sexual pleasure is not different from doing so with another person.

[Cappuccina]

I'm not being facetious here, but what?

Merely indulging yourself in an activity giving sexual pleasure is not different from doing so with another person.

Eh.... I guess? Even then, if we're to say that frequent masturbation is equivalent to promiscuity, that'd still be undesirable from my viewpoint.

[Grenartia]

Hmm... that's odd, I always thought of NoFap as a MGTOW thing, is that not the case?

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead. MGTOW are men who generally tend to be misogynists who choose to completely cut women out of their lives so as to not play into the imbalanced gender privilege system (Where they believe women have it better off), except for the fact that they don't actually Go Their Own Way and instead spend 90% of their time complaining about women on the internet and rely on women for their financial support.

I thought it was the MRA version of political 'lesbianism'.

Totalitarianism is when the state monopolizes influence and usually strives to change the fabric of a nation and promote a specific ideology. Slapping somebody during coitus has nothing to do with it.

Is that all you think doms do? How naïve.

Indeed. I do so much more than merely slapping.

They’re not the hedonists, they’re ugly losers who want to join in because it’s been made cool to be. Democracy as we know it will lead to a spiritually weak state and therefore nation lacking the aspect of esoteric grandeur, and therefore a disconnected and self-serving populace.

I don't believe democracy is to blame for spiritual decline.

I'd like to know what "spiritual decline" is, and why its bad.

I'd say the NoFap-ers are well within their right to be proud of their self-control while being members of a society what abhors the notion of someone who isn't promiscuous or impulsive.

Or a bunch of egoistic puritans who think porn and masturbation is harming society and that your seed should be used to pump out more white children.

Correct.

I agree, to an extent, though the incels feed into their own issues at atleast as much as our current culture does.

Incels don't feed anything into their own issues. Their issues are beyond their control.

Incorrect.

I thought totalitarianism was against all sexuality.

Totalitarianism has usually harnessed sexuality for the state's aims; fascists were particularly adept at redirecting libidinal impulses into violence, hero worship, cults of death, etc.

edit lol this made me think: bringing back (actual) national service would probably end incels. Granted we'd end up with a whole host of other social problems but we can burn those bridges when we get to them?

Domestic Peace Corps when?

Or a bunch of egoistic puritans who think porn and masturbation is harming society and that your seed should be used to pump out more white children.



Incels don't feed anything into their own issues. Their issues are beyond their control.

And watching porn and masturbation are both activities that showcase obsession with sex, they are harmful to society.

[Citation Needed]

[Arthenius]

Wouldn't the Western world be better off if it adopted a fascist system? (minus the sex negative elements)