How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Arthenius]

Would you rather take a risk with the police too then?
And I live in the United States, prostitution is illegal virtually everywhere except in Las Vegas...
and that happens to be very expensive and on completely opposite side of the country from where I am.

It's actually not legal in Vegas. Other counties in Nevada, yes, but a few (including the one with Vegas) have it outlawed.

Looks like I mistakenly inverted my claim.

[Arthenius]

Would you rather take a risk with the police too then?
And I live in the United States, prostitution is illegal virtually everywhere except in Las Vegas...
and that happens to be very expensive and on completely opposite side of the country from where I am.

To be fair, the consequences of legal action related to solicitation or prostitution are a lot less severe than, say, what Elliot Rodger did.

I think the consequence depends on the local government.
And you may still betalking about jail or arrest from cops. Just because the consequences of the act from the likes of Elliot Rodger were very severe doesn't mean I would necessarily get off "easier" from relatively less offenses.

[Arthenius]

People feel lonely and dehumanized. Let's punish them for their failure to be rich and appealing!

Honestly, there are literally billions of people in this world who lack a fraction of the material wealth of the incels and are quite frankly far less appealing physically due to the consequences of hard physical labor, malnutrition and disease. I would argue the incels deserve some compassion due to their mental illness but they are by no means underprivileged.

That is talking about third-world countries. Incels are pretty much a western product.

[Scomagia]

This “incel” lot are just one of many yucky side-effects of modern materialist culture created by democracy, capitalism and lack of a totalitarian mindset, in summary; anarchy of the heart. Due to those things, people drift into a world of hedonism and decadence, leading to untold and unforeseeable damage, among which is people such as these “incels” looking for a reason to feel like shit. Depression, which I’ve had and still sometimes have, is another. Humans must have something truly great into which they can invest their souls, and the rotten, dying systems of the west will never provide that.

God, I wish incels were hedonists. They'd be way more fun that way.

Hedonists are fun until you need someone competent and they're still fucked up.

[Vetalia]

I think the consequence depends on the local government.
And you may still betalking about jail or arrest from cops. Just because the consequences of the act from the likes of Elliot Rodger were very severe doesn't mean I would necessarily get off "easier" from relatively less offenses.

Soliciting is really hard to prove and even if you are actually busted for prostitution it's not a serious crime, at most a low-level misdemeanor in all states. You could theoretically get in a lot more trouble if the prostitute is underage but that's about it. I wouldn't recommend it given the circumstances most prostitutes are in but it's not the end of the world if you did so, you would suffer much harsher penalties for drunk driving, for example.

[Arthenius]

Now "sexual totalitarianism" that does sound almost like an oxymoron.

[Vetalia]

That is talking about third-world countries. Incels are pretty much a western product.

Precisely, hence why they have no real reason to complain.

[Bear Stearns]

God, I wish incels were hedonists. They'd be way more fun that way.

Hedonists are fun until you need someone competent and they're still fucked up.

This is a recurring problem for some of my coworkers. There have been some shitshows.

[Arthenius]

My other theory is that the traditional religious(X)feminist ideology regarding sexuality has a minor factor in this kind of belief and behavior.

[Vetalia]

This is a recurring problem for some of my coworkers. There have been some shitshows.

I can attest to this as a CPA in public accounting. A shitshow is a given at your average happy hour, holiday party or April 15th.

[Vetalia]

My other theory is that the traditional religious(X)feminist ideology regarding sexuality has a minor factor in this kind of belief and behavior.

I don't think so, most developing countries are far more religious than the Western world but aren't plagued by those goofballs.

[Gormwood]

Would you rather take a risk with the police too then?
And I live in the United States, prostitution is illegal virtually everywhere except in Las Vegas...
and that happens to be very expensive and on completely opposite side of the country from where I am.

To be fair, the consequences of legal action related to solicitation or prostitution are a lot less severe than, say, what Elliot Rodger did.

Problem being incels would consider prostitutes damaged goods and would never solicit them.

[New haven america]

No-Fap is actually completely fine with promiscuity, casual sex and hook ups, out of wedlock sex, etc... It's just porn and fapping that they think is destroying both themselves and society.

But that's not the topic of this thread now, is it?

Hmm... that's odd, I always thought of NoFap as a MGTOW thing, is that not the case?

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead. MGTOW are men who generally tend to be misogynists who choose to completely cut women out of their lives so as to not play into the imbalanced gender privilege system (Where they believe women have it better off), except for the fact that they don't actually Go Their Own Way and instead spend 90% of their time complaining about women on the internet and rely on women for their financial support.

[Bear Stearns]

Hmm... that's odd, I always thought of NoFap as a MGTOW thing, is that not the case?

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead.

No, I think the view is that masturbation is fine, but hardcore pornography is the problem.

[New haven america]

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead.

No, I think the view is that masturbation is fine, but hardcore pornography is the problem.

Um, it's called No-fap.

What they think of masturbation is literally in the name, if you go on their subreddit they even have scores in their flairs for how long they've been able to last without jackin' it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hmm... that's odd, I always thought of NoFap as a MGTOW thing, is that not the case?

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead. MGTOW are men who generally tend to be misogynists who choose to completely cut women out of their lives so as to not play into the imbalanced gender privilege system (Where they believe women have it better off), except for the fact that they don't actually go their own way and instead spend 90% of their time complaining about women on the internet and relying on women for their financial support.

If you went to a church that espoused a theology of works-based salvation and then whined they just sat around in church preaching rather than doing good works because your window in to their religion was you attending church meetings, you'd sound just as ridiculous as you do here, but it's a common "Gotcha" people use against MGTOWs.

They aren't a series of internet posts, they're people who make those posts in communities to re-affirm a faith, and then go live their lives.

[Saiwania]

Soliciting is really hard to prove and even if you are actually busted for prostitution it's not a serious crime, at most a low-level misdemeanor in all states. You could theoretically get in a lot more trouble if the prostitute is underage but that's about it. I wouldn't recommend it given the circumstances most prostitutes are in but it's not the end of the world if you did so, you would suffer much harsher penalties for drunk driving, for example.

No, what's to be feared more is getting hit with sex offender status, which comes with a number of downsides. The more conservative your locale is, the more likely a sex crime won't be distinguished from worser sex crimes and will set you back. To be labeled as immoral is less of a big deal in a permissively liberal urban city where tons of people are rude and no good anyways, than it is to be considered immoral and disgusting in a rural or suburban context, where most people living there can shun and shame you for years to come, especially if its where more people know everyone else.

[New haven america]

No.

No-fap was started by porn addicts who were trying to cut it out, but then got taken over by pseudo-scientists who believe that porn and fapping are responsible for the destruction of the modern world and themselves, so you must avoid it at all cost and only get off by having sex instead. MGTOW are men who generally tend to be misogynists who choose to completely cut women out of their lives so as to not play into the imbalanced gender privilege system (Where they believe women have it better off), except for the fact that they don't actually go their own way and instead spend 90% of their time complaining about women on the internet and relying on women for their financial support.

If you went to a church that espoused a theology of works-based salvation and then whined they just sat around in church preaching rather than doing good works because your window in to their religion was you attending church meetings, you'd sound just as ridiculous as you do here, but it's a common "Gotcha" people use against MGTOWs.

And everyone who doesn't actually have a problem with female humans believes that trying to cut them out of society, blaming them for all of societies current gender issues, all the while doing nothing but complaining about how terrible they are on the internet (Or even relying on women to keep up their quality of life), thinks that they sound ridiculous.

But if you try to tell them that then they'll whine about you harassing them or victimize themselves or go on about how you need to "Take the red/black pill and open you eyes to the evils of women" while living in their mom's or sister's houses.

[Cappuccina]

People feel lonely and dehumanized. Let's punish them for their failure to be rich and appealing!

Arguably they'd be being punished for being insufferable crybabies who whine about not getting vagina which, ironically, is the surest way not to get laid.

True, the incels are quite insufferable, however restating what we already know to be true doesn't address that they do represent an underlying issue with the current sexual mores of society.

[Ostroeuropa]

If you went to a church that espoused a theology of works-based salvation and then whined they just sat around in church preaching rather than doing good works because your window in to their religion was you attending church meetings, you'd sound just as ridiculous as you do here, but it's a common "Gotcha" people use against MGTOWs.

And everyone who doesn't actually have a problem with female humans believes that trying to cut them out of society, blaming them for all of societies current gender issues, all the while doing nothing but complaining about how terrible they are on the internet (Or even relying on women to keep up their quality of life), think that they sound ridiculous.

But if you try to tell them that they'll whine about you harassing them or victimize themselves or go on about how you need to "Take the red/black pill and open you eyes to the evils of women" while living in their mom's or sister's houses.

They're not trying to cut them out of society, just trying not to personally associate with them more than necessary. A key element of MGTOW is concluding that it cannot ever be a majority movement realistically, and is a personal choice and a community of the like minded. I'd say women are probably more responsible than men at this point and worsening the situation, and the fact people find that concept so difficult to contemplate without getting hysterical is pretty good evidence of how we got there.

MGTOWs conclude, for various reasons, that it's pointless to be an MRA because most women cannot or will not change and will not listen to reason, so there's no point in activism. It's very defeatist, but a reasonable interpretation of the data at this point given you've got decades and decades of the overwhelming majority of them not getting a single clue on the topic. Again, "Doing nothing but-", they do do something. They live their lives without women.

The Redpill/black pill MGTOWs conclude womens obstinance is down to biology, which is what I call the charitable interpretation of womens behavior. The alternative is that we've had a handful of generations of women who should be vilified and denounced for their impact on society in future, and probably quite a few who should go to prison for their actively supporting a hate movement in various crimes against humanity projects.
(Such as the push by the UN womens forum to hand out food aid only to women on the basis they'll feed their families male members, while being concpicuously silent on the topic of men without families.).

[New haven america]

And everyone who doesn't actually have a problem with female humans believes that trying to cut them out of society, blaming them for all of societies current gender issues, all the while doing nothing but complaining about how terrible they are on the internet (Or even relying on women to keep up their quality of life), think that they sound ridiculous.

But if you try to tell them that they'll whine about you harassing them or victimize themselves or go on about how you need to "Take the red/black pill and open you eyes to the evils of women" while living in their mom's or sister's houses.

They're not trying to cut them out of society, just trying not to personally associate with them more than necessary. A key element of MGTOW is concluding that it cannot ever be a majority movement realistically, and is a personal choice and a community of the like minded. I'd say women are probably more responsible than men at this point and worsening the situation, and the fact people find that concept so difficult to contemplate without getting hysterical is pretty good evidence of how we got there.

MGTOWs conclude, for various reasons, that it's pointless to be an MRA because most women cannot or will not change and will not listen to reason, so there's no point in activism. It's very defeatist, but a reasonable interpretation of the data at this point given you've got decades and decades of the overwhelming majority of them not getting a single clue on the topic. Again, "Doing nothing but-", they do do something. They live their lives without women.

The Redpill/black pill MGTOWs conclude womens obstinance is down to biology, which is what I call the charitable interpretation of womens behavior. The alternative is that we've had a handful of generations of women who should be vilified and denounced for their impact on society in future.

We get it, you're into pseudo-scientific bullshit, go get a blog.

[Ostroeuropa]

They're not trying to cut them out of society, just trying not to personally associate with them more than necessary. A key element of MGTOW is concluding that it cannot ever be a majority movement realistically, and is a personal choice and a community of the like minded. I'd say women are probably more responsible than men at this point and worsening the situation, and the fact people find that concept so difficult to contemplate without getting hysterical is pretty good evidence of how we got there.

MGTOWs conclude, for various reasons, that it's pointless to be an MRA because most women cannot or will not change and will not listen to reason, so there's no point in activism. It's very defeatist, but a reasonable interpretation of the data at this point given you've got decades and decades of the overwhelming majority of them not getting a single clue on the topic. Again, "Doing nothing but-", they do do something. They live their lives without women.

The Redpill/black pill MGTOWs conclude womens obstinance is down to biology, which is what I call the charitable interpretation of womens behavior. The alternative is that we've had a handful of generations of women who should be vilified and denounced for their impact on society in future.

We get it, you're into pseudo-scientific bullshit, go get a blog.

Not particularly. I think it's a sociological phenomena. Women are merely the latest in a long line of demographic groups to disappear up their own arsehole with insular and supremacist ideology bunk that harms other humans in favor of appealing to their own narcissism and mythologized conception of themselves and others. Happened to whites, happened to most nations, and so on. A few heroic opponents of their groups trend not-withstanding, we generally don't hold a favorable view of those groups during the periods of history they behaved that way.

I simply understand MGTOW's talking points and don't like people misrepresenting them. In part because the criticism of women and feminism relies on women getting a clue and realizing not everyone who dislikes the way they are behaving has something wrong with them by definition because obviously the problem could never be women, right? They have to be pathetic, obviously. It's literally impossible for women as a group to be the bad guys in any situation, ever.

(This is the problem. This impulse. This is how we got here.).

Peer-reviewed pseudo-science for you:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

More pseudoscience:
https://malepsychology.org.uk/2019/06/1 ... TnaXbOigwk

https://external-preview.redd.it/0LwtUj ... efbb7de7ea

(Hmmm... Whites have the most bias... and so do women...)

[Independent Pacific Junta]

This “incel” lot are just one of many yucky side-effects of modern materialist culture created by democracy, capitalism and lack of a totalitarian mindset, in summary; anarchy of the heart. Due to those things, people drift into a world of hedonism and decadence, leading to untold and unforeseeable damage, among which is people such as these “incels” looking for a reason to feel like shit. Depression, which I’ve had and still sometimes have, is another. Humans must have something truly great into which they can invest their souls, and the rotten, dying systems of the west will never provide that.

Hedonism implies the opposite of inceldom. It would mean they were actually having fun instead of pouting.

Also, incels are basically a rejection of modern dating trends and customs, so... Dunno what you're getting at.

They're reactionary hierarchical capitalists, sure, and the decadence of the West is a major cause of it, but I hardly see how it's democracy's fault.

Incels are basically sexual totalitarians, aren't they?

They’re not the hedonists, they’re ugly losers who want to join in because it’s been made cool to be. Democracy as we know it will lead to a spiritually weak state and therefore nation lacking the aspect of esoteric grandeur, and therefore a disconnected and self-serving populace.

[Threlizdun]

Now "sexual totalitarianism" that does sound almost like an oxymoron.

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

[Independent Pacific Junta]

Now "sexual totalitarianism" that does sound almost like an oxymoron.

I can assure you sexual totalitarianism can very much be a thing. They tend to prefer the term "dom" however

Totalitarianism is when the state monopolizes influence and usually strives to change the fabric of a nation and promote a specific ideology. Slapping somebody during coitus has nothing to do with it.