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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:56 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm wondering how exactly you think that we would be genetically predisposed to that specific scenario, particularly given that it inhibits the survival of the species.


Are you trying to imply that humans aren't Tribalistic by default? Or perhaps my wording was unclear.

The two aren't comparable. One is a survival mechanism, the other is the driving force behind all animal activity.
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Postby Arthenius » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:00 pm

Greed and Death wrote:Teach Incel men that moving out and having a full time job is a big part of being able to get laid.


I think the current economy and relative less availability of current jobs is a contributor to the bitterness.

Also I have to "warn" people that any proposed solution won't be considered "moderate" by most of society.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:27 pm

Video games are at least partially responsible for this. When it is more fun to spend half your day playing Full Metal Jacket or Fubar 2 than working at Joe's Liquor Store, Dime a Dozen Widgets, or Chicken Hut, you have a problem. A lot of these males have nowhere to go and feel superfluous. The best feeling they get comes from hours on cheap computers playing games or using internet forums. They are enraged under employed and have nowhere to go. When they can't get a woman because they are spending everything on a new Fubar 2 cartridge or the last bit of money from their SSI check and would rather not work, because it feels better to blow up zombies on a computer screen they rant and rave creating fantasies of the perfect woman. Eventually when there are sexbots, they will spend half the day zoning out on computers, a small amount of time at their cheap gig job delivering sandwiches or writing advertising copy for personal ads so they can afford a sexbot in addition to their video games and waist their lives in a haze of technology. This pattern makes a lot of people very rich. It is not far from rent to own, or paycheck loans which many of these people may have to rely on. It creates a new indentured class of people who owe for their fix of technology.

Unfortunately, it is not the past. There is some really crazy stuff happening around this.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:30 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:Video games are at least partially responsible for this. When it is more fun to spend half your day playing Full Metal Jacket or Fubar 2 than working at Joe's Liquor Store, Dime a Dozen Widgets, or Chicken Hut, you have a problem. A lot of these males have nowhere to go and feel superfluous. The best feeling they get comes from hours on cheap computers playing games or using internet forums. They are enraged under employed and have nowhere to go. When they can't get a woman because they are spending everything on a new Fubar 2 cartridge or the last bit of money from their SSI check and would rather not work, because it feels better to blow up zombies on a computer screen they rant and rave creating fantasies of the perfect woman. Eventually when there are sexbots, they will spend half the day zoning out on computers, a small amount of time at their cheap gig job delivering sandwiches or writing advertising copy for personal ads so they can afford a sexbot in addition to their video games and waist their lives in a haze of technology. This pattern makes a lot of people very rich. It is not far from rent to own, or paycheck loans which many of these people may have to rely on. It creates a new indentured class of people who owe for their fix of technology.


Wow, that was a blast from the past. People blaming video games for things.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:45 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:Video games are at least partially responsible for this. When it is more fun to spend half your day playing Full Metal Jacket or Fubar 2 than working at Joe's Liquor Store, Dime a Dozen Widgets, or Chicken Hut, you have a problem. A lot of these males have nowhere to go and feel superfluous. The best feeling they get comes from hours on cheap computers playing games or using internet forums. They are enraged under employed and have nowhere to go. When they can't get a woman because they are spending everything on a new Fubar 2 cartridge or the last bit of money from their SSI check and would rather not work, because it feels better to blow up zombies on a computer screen they rant and rave creating fantasies of the perfect woman. Eventually when there are sexbots, they will spend half the day zoning out on computers, a small amount of time at their cheap gig job delivering sandwiches or writing advertising copy for personal ads so they can afford a sexbot in addition to their video games and waist their lives in a haze of technology. This pattern makes a lot of people very rich. It is not far from rent to own, or paycheck loans which many of these people may have to rely on. It creates a new indentured class of people who owe for their fix of technology.

Unfortunately, it is not the past. There is some really crazy stuff happening around this.
https://gamequitters.com/are-video-game ... nt-in-men/

This is basically NoFap but worse.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:52 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Yes, but it's also counter to the default instincts of humans.


I mean, not rounding up your neighbors for having funny skin colors or weird beliefs and lighting them on fire is pretty counter to the default instincts of humans and we still discourage people from doing that because it's harmful.


Given human history, murder and violence for dumb reasons are pretty innate to us.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:53 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
UniversalCommons wrote:Video games are at least partially responsible for this. When it is more fun to spend half your day playing Full Metal Jacket or Fubar 2 than working at Joe's Liquor Store, Dime a Dozen Widgets, or Chicken Hut, you have a problem. A lot of these males have nowhere to go and feel superfluous. The best feeling they get comes from hours on cheap computers playing games or using internet forums. They are enraged under employed and have nowhere to go. When they can't get a woman because they are spending everything on a new Fubar 2 cartridge or the last bit of money from their SSI check and would rather not work, because it feels better to blow up zombies on a computer screen they rant and rave creating fantasies of the perfect woman. Eventually when there are sexbots, they will spend half the day zoning out on computers, a small amount of time at their cheap gig job delivering sandwiches or writing advertising copy for personal ads so they can afford a sexbot in addition to their video games and waist their lives in a haze of technology. This pattern makes a lot of people very rich. It is not far from rent to own, or paycheck loans which many of these people may have to rely on. It creates a new indentured class of people who owe for their fix of technology.

Unfortunately, it is not the past. There is some really crazy stuff happening around this.
https://gamequitters.com/are-video-game ... nt-in-men/

This is basically NoFap but worse.


What's wrong with NoFap? It's actually a pretty admirable self-help movement that encourages superior hobbies, such as exercise and intellectual pursuits.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:58 pm

Cekoviu wrote:This is basically NoFap but worse.


NoFap does people a ton of good, but only if they were previously addicted. Recovery works primarily if you haven't worn yourself out to the extent that your physical body breaks down on you. I'd say it depends a great deal as well, on how well you take care of yourself. The older you get, the less capable you'll be and the less likely you can ever get well again even if you do everything right, and chances are you won't- nearly everyone has bad habits or lifestyle choices.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:59 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is basically NoFap but worse.


NoFap does people a ton of good, but only if they were previously addicted. Recovery works primarily if you haven't worn yourself out to the extent that your physical body breaks down on you. I'd say it depends a great deal as well, on how well you take care of yourself. The older you get, the less capable you'll be and the less likely you can ever get well again even if you do everything right, and chances are you won't- nearly everyone has bad habits or lifestyle choices.

Lol.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:59 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is basically NoFap but worse.


What's wrong with NoFap? It's actually a pretty admirable self-help movement that encourages superior hobbies, such as exercise and intellectual pursuits.

It promotes pseudoscientific bullshit about masturbation. While some people do struggle with doing it too much, they make it out to be the devil and invent a bunch of false side effects despite it being very natural and helping with feelings of pent-up sexual frustration (like incels have).
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
NoFap does people a ton of good, but only if they were previously addicted. Recovery works primarily if you haven't worn yourself out to the extent that your physical body breaks down on you. I'd say it depends a great deal as well, on how well you take care of yourself. The older you get, the less capable you'll be and the less likely you can ever get well again even if you do everything right, and chances are you won't- nearly everyone has bad habits or lifestyle choices.

Lol.

This is the appropriate response, yes.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Galloism wrote:Lol.

This is the appropriate response, yes.

I’m not sure if you know why I’m laughing. Let me help:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=464182&p=35679087#p35679087
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:28 pm

Galloism wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is the appropriate response, yes.

I’m not sure if you know why I’m laughing. Let me help:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=464182&p=35679087#p35679087

No, yeah, I remembered that.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:58 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is basically NoFap but worse.


NoFap does people a ton of good, but only if they were previously addicted. Recovery works primarily if you haven't worn yourself out to the extent that your physical body breaks down on you. I'd say it depends a great deal as well, on how well you take care of yourself. The older you get, the less capable you'll be and the less likely you can ever get well again even if you do everything right, and chances are you won't- nearly everyone has bad habits or lifestyle choices.


YOU'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THIS

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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:10 pm

The Rich Port wrote:YOU'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THIS


I'm shooting down another user's notion that NoFap serves no purpose and is just self denial. I insist that it is a valid means of breaking a certain addiction which can prove physically negative, if not renewing your physical body by simply not stressing it in that way for a long enough period of time.

The real problem at hand I have, is that one or more of my major organs (I'm unsure of which one) related to my endocrine system functions is damaged from repetitive stress just as Chernobyl's RBMK-1000 reactor overheated until it exploded. I did too little and too late to cut back, and so- I got to make do with having a body that'll never heal 100% and is chemically imbalanced. I feel the internal damage that was done via excruciating pain to certain stimuli, which will probably always be present.
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Postby US-SSR » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:26 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:No they won't because the idea that the only reason people want companionship is because they're taught to want it is the most ludicrous idea sociologists could have ever come up with. We're social animals, and we're animals. We want companionship because it is in our nature to want it.


People are perfectly capable of being happy without being married or romantic. People have done so for literally centuries.


I was nearly perfectly happy for most of my unmarried life. What I wasn't was fulfulled. But since I didn't know that I wasn't fulfilled, I was happy. You pays your money and you takes your choice I guess.
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Saiwania wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:YOU'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THIS


I'm shooting down another user's notion that NoFap serves no purpose and is just self denial. I insist that it is a valid means of breaking a certain addiction which can prove physically negative, if not renewing your physical body by simply not stressing it in that way for a long enough period of time.

The real problem at hand I have, is that one or more of my major organs (I'm unsure of which one) related to my endocrine system functions is damaged from repetitive stress just as Chernobyl's RBMK-1000 reactor overheated until it exploded. I did too little and too late to cut back, and so- I got to make do with having a body that'll never heal 100% and is chemically imbalanced. I feel the internal damage that was done via excruciating pain to certain stimuli, which will probably always be present.

You need a new doctor. Masturbation will not cause your internal organs to become damaged.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I'm shooting down another user's notion that NoFap serves no purpose and is just self denial. I insist that it is a valid means of breaking a certain addiction which can prove physically negative, if not renewing your physical body by simply not stressing it in that way for a long enough period of time.

The real problem at hand I have, is that one or more of my major organs (I'm unsure of which one) related to my endocrine system functions is damaged from repetitive stress just as Chernobyl's RBMK-1000 reactor overheated until it exploded. I did too little and too late to cut back, and so- I got to make do with having a body that'll never heal 100% and is chemically imbalanced. I feel the internal damage that was done via excruciating pain to certain stimuli, which will probably always be present.

You need a new doctor. Masturbation will not cause your internal organs to become damaged.

You'll never convince him. He wanked himself white.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:You need a new doctor. Masturbation will not cause your internal organs to become damaged.

You'll never convince him. He wanked himself white.


Which is weird. Usually, you'd think you'd wank the white out of yourself.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:44 pm

This is a...

well this...

is not a great thread let's leave it at that

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:50 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a...

well this...

is not a great thread let's leave it at that


This is NSG. No threads are great.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:12 am

Grenartia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a...

well this...

is not a great thread let's leave it at that


This is NSG. No threads are great.


A hypothetical thread could be great.
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Postby Tekania » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:53 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Pretty much. But the existence of prostitutes is a possible avenue for a person to have sex if they cannot obtain it through the usual means.

Most incels seem to be of the opinion that such a relationship isn't "real", probably because they want to feel like their partner actually wants to be there and isn't just tolerating them for money.


And that is generally the incels problem. They have such a piss-poor attitude and such an abhorrent and intolerable character and personality, especially to others and most especially to the opposite sex, that anytime they are in interaction with others, said others don't really want to be around them.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:07 am

I was watching Johnny Carson last night and surprisingly enough, he and shelly winters (who was completely bombed) were talking about this. And Johnny was saying that we should better teach socialization skills in the schools, teaching kids how to be social with each other.

I think he is right.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:YOU'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THIS


I'm shooting down another user's notion that NoFap serves no purpose and is just self denial. I insist that it is a valid means of breaking a certain addiction which can prove physically negative, if not renewing your physical body by simply not stressing it in that way for a long enough period of time.

The real problem at hand I have, is that one or more of my major organs (I'm unsure of which one) related to my endocrine system functions is damaged from repetitive stress just as Chernobyl's RBMK-1000 reactor overheated until it exploded. I did too little and too late to cut back, and so- I got to make do with having a body that'll never heal 100% and is chemically imbalanced. I feel the internal damage that was done via excruciating pain to certain stimuli, which will probably always be present.

You're delusional. Get him to the infirmity. It's overexposure to contaminated feedwater. He'll be fine, I've seen worse.
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