How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Liriena]

A couple things:

1. That man is not representative of the incel community.
2. Nelson de la Rosa had a wife and a son.
3. Our culture does tend to put a lot of weight on romantic and sexual intimacy as a mark of social status and normalcy, but that doesn't mean you innately need them to be a fulfilled, happy person.

These observations about women transcended the incel community into other communities too, including those with spouses and partners.

Yes, misogyny isn't exclusive to incels. We know.

[Threlizdun]

"Involuntary celibacy" is not a thing, unless you were forced to become a priest by your family or the state or something. Being unsuccessful in the dating scene is a thing, but there's no such thing as being innately doomed to solitude unless you are literally the worst person who ever lived (and even then...).

Just stop being misogynist bro.

reinforce the belief that they are ugly, women hate them, and doomed to be alone forever.

All of these things are true though.

Beauty standards aren't universal. You can find someone who will find you attractive. A lot of the men posting pictures of themselves on incel forums for others to critique honestly look fine, but no one will say anything positive about them. Everyone just points out their flaws and make them become hyper fixated on them. Incels have built an identity around being a bunch of hopeless outcasts that no one could ever love, and in doing so they are the ones actively preventing themselves from finding a romantic or sexual partner, because that kind of attitude is a huge turn off.

If incels left these destructive spaces, got some hobbies, and just started talking to women in a respectful way, then maybe they could become someone desirable. But if you continue wallowing in self-pity in incel forums, then yeah, you're not going go get laid. Those aren't attractive traits, and you can't possibly have sex if you don't actually get out and talk to people.

[Petrolheadia]

Would that even do anything regarding incels though?

Well, bringing to the end of capitalism would go a long way into ending the alienation of the individual, which in itself plays a large part into the creation of inceldom.

I'm the kinda-alienated sort of guy, and it is not because of capitalism. It is because I was neither fit for social sucess nor do I care about it.

I would honestly like to live a life of solitude, maybe with some occasional travels.

[Liriena]

2. Nelson de la Rosa had a wife and a son.

Just be a celebrity bro

Oh, look! Fresh new goalposts!

3. Our culture does tend to put a lot of weight on romantic and sexual intimacy as a mark of social status and normalcy, but that doesn't mean you innately need them to be a fulfilled, happy person.

It's not our culture, somebody descended from a line that managed to avoid genetic death for billions of years is going to be livid when it seems forced upon them. Sexual frustration is a thing and there's a reason the word frustration in particular is used for it.

And what reason is that?

[Ostroeuropa]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.
disregard for something that should be considered.

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to because they refuse to consinder that contempt may be rooted in the way women behave and treat men rather than something wrong with men.

They have awareness of womens sexual activities and preferences, and for some reason feel affronted by them.

For another analogy, do you particular care you haven't been given an award by a far-right organization?

No, you understand you don't want such an award because they are twats.

So it goes.

You should neither seek nor desire womens approval, you know what they are like.

Individual women differ, but those are a fringe minority. They are either MRA-influenced, or "Not like other girls" girls, in my experience.

[Grapasia]

I have no issue with a man who currently is having trouble getting laid as I myself am suffering the same dilemma

Spotted the incel

bruh

[Holy auxmite empire]

I agree that PUA is garbage designed to give false hope to sub-5 men, although the red pill in general has some good points on female nature that the black pill's LMS fundamentalism sometimes ignores. Cold approaches in particular are fucking retarded.

The rest of this is horrible though lmao. This seems like a guide on how to be as pathetic as possible and pretend to be okay with it. You're the one giving it enough significance to be called pathetic as well, Mr " even more severe, the fact he's still a virgin". You probably post on inceltears lmao. Also have you actually gone to college and gotten laid? Universities are hypergamy central, a lot of people go there and study useless degrees just to get railed. JFL at suggesting to hang around inebriated people lmao, what a way to tell somebody they're completely undesirable. I have no idea how people with this mindset don't spontaneously combust from all the positive dissonance, you are so bluepilled it's scary if you unironically think people who can't get laid honestly believe they are entitled to women.

Spotted the incel

> go to college
>stops incels

maga burh moment

[Grapasia]

Just be a celebrity bro

Oh, look! Fresh new goalposts!

The LMS in FACEandLMS stands for looks, money, status. The goalposts were always demonstrably here, of course people can get girls by becoming rich or famous.

[Flaxxony]

The incel is kind of a product of the times. We live in a world that is so fundamentally different from even 200 years ago that an unprecedented number of people have been able to successfully adapt.

Pornography addiction is intimately related to incel stuff.

[The South Falls]

just end liberalism








end of story

You are now married to Liriena.

that's what that does.

[Liriena]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

Ummm... I'd dare say it's both: it's genuine contempt and an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good.

Dude, even in context...

Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.
disregard for something that should be considered.

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to.

"Misogyny is good actually", Ostro, after a years-long crusade against idpol and accusations that anti-feminism is synonymous with misogyny.

[Threlizdun]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.
disregard for something that should be considered.

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to.

Hey Ostroeuropa, let me give you some free advice for if you ever want to get with a woman. Don't talk about how men should hold women in contempt. It tends to make us think that you're just an asshole, and shockingly, it does not make us want to have sex with you.

[The South Falls]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.
disregard for something that should be considered.

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to because they refuse to consinder that contempt may be rooted in the way women behave and treat men rather than something wrong with men.

They have awareness of womens sexual activities and preferences, and for some reason feel affronted by them.

For another analogy, do you particular care you haven't been given an award by a far-right organization?

No, you understand you don't want such an award because they are twats.

So it goes.

You should neither seek nor desire womens approval, you know what they are like.

Individual women differ, but those are a fringe minority. They are either MRA-influenced, or "Not like other girls" girls, in my experience.

Having spent quite a bit of time on MGTOW subs, not because I espouse the ideology but as a looker-on, MGTOWs seem very obsessed with women for their name's status. The need for contempt of women can breed the same dangerous results as their expression of rage and pain.

[Rojava Free State]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration.
disregard for something that should be considered.

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to because they refuse to consinder that contempt may be rooted in the way women behave and treat men rather than something wrong with men.

They have awareness of womens sexual activities and preferences, and for some reason feel affronted by them.

For another analogy, do you particular care you haven't been given an award by a far-right organization?

No, you understand you don't want such an award because they are twats.

So it goes.

You should neither seek nor desire womens approval, you know what they are like.

Individual women differ, but those are a fringe minority. They are either MRA-influenced, or "Not like other girls" girls, in my experience.

Yeah yeah women bad, feminism evil, it's all their fault. I don't even disagree that 3rd wave feminism has been terrible for men, but the fact you've developed this persecution complex that women are just taking advantage of and preying upon men is downright cringeworthy. you keep talking about how women are nothing but snakes, do you talk to your mother that way?

[Ostroeuropa]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

Ummm... I'd dare say it's both: it's genuine contempt and an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good.

Dude, even in context...

Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:


This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to.

"Misogyny is good actually", Ostro, after a years-long crusade against idpol and accusations that anti-feminism is synonymous with misogyny.

If you're not prepared to engage with the point then that's your business. I'm pointing out this particular sin is not actually worth caring about and the theocrats who gaslit people into thinking it was were doing so not out of a genuine ethical framework, but because it was self-serving and necessary to further their agenda.

Society would be better off disregarding women more and holding them more in contempt. All the studies show it, and this is another example of it.

[Grapasia]

Beauty standards aren't universal. You can find someone who will find you attractive.

If incels left these destructive spaces, got some hobbies, and just started talking to women in a respectful way, then maybe they could become someone desirable. But if you continue wallowing in self-pity in incel forums, then yeah, you're not going go get laid. Those aren't attractive traits, and you can't possibly have sex if you don't actually get out and talk to people.

"Leave these destructive spaces, get some hobbies, and just start talking to women in a respectful way, then maybe you'd be desirable bro"

[Liriena]

"Women actually do generally suck and you should not socialize with them" being our most prominent MRA's official policy position for inceldom is a level of discursive self-destruction I did not expect... or want, to be honest.

[The South Falls]

Ummm... I'd dare say it's both: it's genuine contempt and an expression of rage and pain.


Dude, even in context...


"Misogyny is good actually", Ostro, after a years-long crusade against idpol and accusations that anti-feminism is synonymous with misogyny.

If you're not prepared to engage with the point then that's your business. I'm pointing out this particular sin is not actually worth caring about and the theocrats who gaslit people into thinking it was were doing so not out of a genuine ethical framework, but because it was self-serving and necessary to further their agenda.

Society would be better off disregarding women more and holding them more in contempt. All the studies show it, and this is another example of it.

Society is not better off being misogynistic. Incels are built on a tower of misogyny.

Holding women and men to the same standard (instead of creating 14 standards for 14 people) would, from then forward, reduce the amount of incels.

[Rojava Free State]

Ummm... I'd dare say it's both: it's genuine contempt and an expression of rage and pain.


Dude, even in context...


"Misogyny is good actually", Ostro, after a years-long crusade against idpol and accusations that anti-feminism is synonymous with misogyny.

If you're not prepared to engage with the point then that's your business. I'm pointing out this particular sin is not actually worth caring about and the theocrats who gaslit people into thinking it was were doing so not out of a genuine ethical framework, but because it was self-serving and necessary to further their agenda.

Society would be better off disregarding women more and holding them more in contempt. All the studies show it, and this is another example of it.

Lmao what studies? Your 8chan survey?
Explain to me how a society full of men who despise women will even function? How will you have kids? How will you keep a society where half the society despises the other half from descending into civil war? Because if we learned anything from the homie Eliot roger, it's that if we all followed your advice and the incels hated women anymore than they do now, we would be a bullet riddled hellscape. No thanks, keep your fantasy world to yourself

[Ostroeuropa]

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:


This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to.

Hey Ostroeuropa, let me give you some free advice for if you ever want to get with a woman. Don't talk about how men should hold women in contempt. It tends to make us think that you're just an asshole, and shockingly, it does not make us want to have sex with you.

But that's the point:
I don't care if you have sex with me or not.

We care far too much about womens perspective, feelings, and opinions, to a highly disproportionate degree. We'd be better off if we didn't. They are granted weight and legitimacy by pure fact of being women, and that's unhealthy for everybody.

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:


This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to because they refuse to consinder that contempt may be rooted in the way women behave and treat men rather than something wrong with men.

They have awareness of womens sexual activities and preferences, and for some reason feel affronted by them.

For another analogy, do you particular care you haven't been given an award by a far-right organization?

No, you understand you don't want such an award because they are twats.

So it goes.

You should neither seek nor desire womens approval, you know what they are like.

Individual women differ, but those are a fringe minority. They are either MRA-influenced, or "Not like other girls" girls, in my experience.

Yeah yeah women bad, feminism evil, it's all their fault. I don't even disagree that 3rd wave feminism has been terrible for men, but the fact you've developed this persecution complex that women are just taking advantage of and preying upon men is downright cringeworthy. you keep talking about how women are nothing but snakes, do you talk to your mother that way?

They're raised to be gynocentist. They don't have to be that way.

Frankly Incels need an injection of MGTOW and MRA perspective. The hatred they express is not a genuine contempt, but an expression of rage and pain.

More actual contempt for women would do them some good. Once they realize that having womens approval is not worth anything, and the reason it's not worth anything is that their pretense at being moral arbiters is nonsense and self-serving, they wouldn't care as much.

Contempt:


This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to because they refuse to consinder that contempt may be rooted in the way women behave and treat men rather than something wrong with men.

They have awareness of womens sexual activities and preferences, and for some reason feel affronted by them.

For another analogy, do you particular care you haven't been given an award by a far-right organization?

No, you understand you don't want such an award because they are twats.

So it goes.

You should neither seek nor desire womens approval, you know what they are like.

Individual women differ, but those are a fringe minority. They are either MRA-influenced, or "Not like other girls" girls, in my experience.

Having spent quite a bit of time on MGTOW subs, not because I espouse the ideology but as a looker-on, MGTOWs seem very obsessed with women for their name's status. The need for contempt of women can breed the same dangerous results as their expression of rage and pain.

MGTOWs also have lives outside of the forums. You may as well claim that a works-based theology is bullshit because you spent some time in a church and all they do is sit around talking about how they need a works-based theology.

[Petrolheadia]

Beauty standards aren't universal. You can find someone who will find you attractive.

Try focusing on anything else than people's looks?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

This is the solution, and it's also the very thing feminists are so actively opposed to.

"Misogyny is good actually", Ostro, after a years-long crusade against idpol and accusations that anti-feminism is synonymous with misogyny.

...Was there anyone under the impression that this isn't what Ostro's been saying?

[Grapasia]

Lmao what studies? Your 8chan survey?

JFL at trying to insinuate someone is a loser when you can't even get laid yourself, of all the coping mechanisms for sexual death the one I never understood was becoming a male feminist.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Women actually do generally suck and you should not socialize with them" being our most prominent MRA's official policy position for inceldom is a level of discursive self-destruction I did not expect... or want, to be honest.

I'm particularly selective with who I associate with IRL. Some women make the cut. Most don't.

If you're not prepared to engage with the point then that's your business. I'm pointing out this particular sin is not actually worth caring about and the theocrats who gaslit people into thinking it was were doing so not out of a genuine ethical framework, but because it was self-serving and necessary to further their agenda.

Society would be better off disregarding women more and holding them more in contempt. All the studies show it, and this is another example of it.

Lmao what studies? Your 8chan survey?
Explain to me how a society full of men who despise women will even function? How will you have kids? How will you keep a society where half the society despises the other half from descending into civil war? Because if we learned anything from the homie Eliot roger, it's that if we all followed your advice and the incels hated women anymore than they do now, we would be a bullet riddled hellscape. No thanks, keep your fantasy world to yourself

Nah mate;

You're conflating hating women and ignoring women. This is rooted in feminine entitlement and the way they have gaslit society into conflating the two, which was merely an expression of their own biases. Just because you're being ignored doesn't mean you're being attacked.

Study one:
https://malepsychology.org.uk/2019/06/1 ... TnaXbOigwk

Study two:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

I've got more too, but those two point in the general direction.

[The South Falls]

We need to teach people to drop the mentality that someone is oppressing them when they are not receiving something. As well as the mentality that sex is owed, for both genders.

"I opened the door for you, fuck me!"
etc.