How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Vetalia]

Chadiest, of the Chad's. Looks, intellect, money. (Well the mrs takes the money) but as mr. Meatloaf once said, 2 outa 3 ain't bad.

You dumb, stupid cuck...you mated with a Femoid (please have sex with me Mrs. Mermania, I'm a nice guy) who should be killed or else reserved for the aftermath of the Incel Revolution when those despicable Roasties will be brought to terms.

[Cekoviu]

Chadiest, of the Chad's. Looks, intellect, money. (Well the mrs takes the money) but as mr. Meatloaf once said, 2 outa 3 ain't bad.

She takes your money? Then all is as it should be. Praise be.

What I wouldn't give to be able to take Ethel's money.

[Ethel mermania]

Chadiest, of the Chad's. Looks, intellect, money. (Well the mrs takes the money) but as mr. Meatloaf once said, 2 outa 3 ain't bad.

You dumb, stupid cuck...you mated with a Femoid (please have sex with me Mrs. Mermania, I'm a nice guy) who should be killed or else reserved for the aftermath of the Incel Revolution when those despicable Roasties will be brought to terms.

If I knew what any of that meant you would be in trouble young man.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

She takes your money? Then all is as it should be. Praise be.

What I wouldn't give to be able to take Ethel's money.

Protip: become one of his cats.

[Ethel mermania]

She takes your money? Then all is as it should be. Praise be.

What I wouldn't give to be able to take Ethel's money.

Funny, that is what the IRS said.

[Costa Fierro]

If all you're giving is anecdotal evidence that women want that, they can just as easily give anecdotal evidence that they don't. Six foot tall body builders aren't my type and aren't for a lot of women. Beyond just my own observations however, looking into women's media can illustrate clear differences between what men and women perceive as the ideal male body. The rippling muscles and shirtless dudes that make up our action stars were mostly conceived of by male writers and casting directors. While there are definitely women into that, women's media tends to focus more so on men sharing a soft or cultured side. Men that will offer to help you with things without being asked, men who notice your interests and compliments you on them, men who are well-groomed and willing to put some effort into their appearance, and men that don't feel the need to act tough around you all the time and are willing to show their emotions and let you in. All of these things demonstrate that your partner is willing to put effort into caring for themselves and can be relied upon. That maturity, that confidence, its sexy. Far sexier than a bunch of dude bros ripping it at the gym and catcalling girls.

People's preferences can vary, but for most women I know, myself included, we want someone who can treat us right, not just a pretty face. Just finding someone attractive isn't usually all that goes into picking a romantic or sexual partner. You want to make sure you're compatible. There are people who may be seen as conventionally attractive that are assholes, or who are completely lousy in bed.

[Vetalia]

If I knew what any of that meant you would be in trouble young man.

Nothing more than a satirical jibe at incels.

Best wishes to you and Mrs. Mermania, best of luck dealing with all of the bullshit, expenses and arguments that are to come with building a family.

[The Republic of Fore]

If all you're giving is anecdotal evidence that women want that, they can just as easily give anecdotal evidence that they don't. Six foot tall body builders aren't my type and aren't for a lot of women. Beyond just my own observations however, looking into women's media can illustrate clear differences between what men and women perceive as the ideal male body. The rippling muscles and shirtless dudes that make up our action stars were mostly conceived of by male writers and casting directors. While there are definitely women into that, women's media tends to focus more so on men sharing a soft or cultured side. Men that will offer to help you with things without being asked, men who notice your interests and compliments you on them, men who are well-groomed and willing to put some effort into their appearance, and men that don't feel the need to act tough around you all the time and are willing to show their emotions and let you in. All of these things demonstrate that your partner is willing to put effort into caring for themselves and can be relied upon. That maturity, that confidence, its sexy. Far sexier than a bunch of dude bros ripping it at the gym and catcalling girls.

People's preferences can vary, but for most women I know, myself included, we want someone who can treat us right, not just a pretty face. Just finding someone attractive isn't usually all that goes into picking a romantic or sexual partner. You want to make sure you're compatible. There are people who may be seen as conventionally attractive that are assholes, or who are completely lousy in bed.

This lady here speaks truth. Not that some here will actually take the time to read this swan of a post. It would entail them abandoning their misconceptions and they can’t have that. It means accepting responsibility and the heavens forbid they own up to anything.

We women are awful and a hivemind. We all act and want the same.

I did actually read her entire post, but nobody is saying all women act this way. Stop with that lazy dismissal tactic. Never once did I say every woman on earth is that exact way. I said that they exist, and the screams of "not all women!" immediatley came in.

[Kernen]

If all you're giving is anecdotal evidence that women want that, they can just as easily give anecdotal evidence that they don't. Six foot tall body builders aren't my type and aren't for a lot of women. Beyond just my own observations however, looking into women's media can illustrate clear differences between what men and women perceive as the ideal male body. The rippling muscles and shirtless dudes that make up our action stars were mostly conceived of by male writers and casting directors. While there are definitely women into that, women's media tends to focus more so on men sharing a soft or cultured side. Men that will offer to help you with things without being asked, men who notice your interests and compliments you on them, men who are well-groomed and willing to put some effort into their appearance, and men that don't feel the need to act tough around you all the time and are willing to show their emotions and let you in. All of these things demonstrate that your partner is willing to put effort into caring for themselves and can be relied upon. That maturity, that confidence, its sexy. Far sexier than a bunch of dude bros ripping it at the gym and catcalling girls.

People's preferences can vary, but for most women I know, myself included, we want someone who can treat us right, not just a pretty face. Just finding someone attractive isn't usually all that goes into picking a romantic or sexual partner. You want to make sure you're compatible. There are people who may be seen as conventionally attractive that are assholes, or who are completely lousy in bed.

So...no denial, just mockery. Well, I am convinced of the incel cause.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What I wouldn't give to be able to take Ethel's money.

Funny, that is what the IRS said.

That’s what the IRS says, to all of us, tax payers. ;_;

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This lady here speaks truth. Not that some here will actually take the time to read this swan of a post. It would entail them abandoning their misconceptions and they can’t have that. It means accepting responsibility and the heavens forbid they own up to anything.

We women are awful and a hivemind. We all act and want the same.

I did actually read her entire post, but nobody is saying all women act this way. Stop with that lazy dismissal tactic. Never once did I say every woman on earth is that exact way. I said that they exist, and the screams of "not all women!" immediatley came in.

It’s not a lazy dismissal. It’s a pointed one, dismissing a bullshit argument.

[Great Minarchistan]

No, I didn't say that they would. But people can ignore quite a bit in the name of a pretty face. Look at how many serial killers get love letters in prison. But anyway, if the choice were between people with equal social skills but differing levels of attractiveness most are going to choose the more attractive one. Are there exceptions? Of course, nothing is true 100% of the time. One of the brain surgeons at Harvard's university hospital is a retired NFL player. Doesn't change that most NFL players are less than intelligent.

[emphasis mine]
Are they? Social skills are also considered intelligence, to such a degree that if you're in an interaction-intensive and analytical-intensive job (such as business), being nerdy will hand you neat reviews on your analysis but no clients if you can't start a talk properly.

But I digress... the reason why being even subpar to chad-tier in appearance while still being above average relative to your peers is that (statistical rambling as it follows) dating preferences regarding a "good attribute" -- say, having less body fat -- work like a normal dist curve with a positive mean and quite a few standard deviations: a handful of people think its bad, most people think its good but they don't care too much and some people weigh a LOT of relevance on it. Having low bodyfat but just not low enough makes you good for most people but it'll be a dealbreaker for some compared to a <10% BF guy since the distribution is long tailed and you sampled the picky girls.

[The Emerald Legion]

In the end though. It's not really something we should be fixing.

People do people things. Part of people things is despising other people for arbitrary reasons like not being physically attractive. Women are allowed to decide they don't like a guy, and guys are allowed to decide they don't like a girl. I mean, fuck, What is this, communism? Are we going to have bread lines but for sex?

If you aren't guaranteed things that make it so you can stay alive, like food, why the fuck do they think you have a right to sex just because you're unhappy without it?

[Costa Fierro]

So...no denial, just mockery. Well, I am convinced of the incel cause.

No denial of what? I wasn't interested in devoting any more time and effort into something that didn't warrant that devotion.

[ImperialRussia]

Creating kraken bio weapons by taming them by attacking by illegal immigrants and invaders that are not welcomed [img] https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... t=c&ictx=1[img]

[United Muscovite Nations]

Some kind of exposure therapy is needed for those who have a chronic fear of the opposite sex, and it would of course benefit to have some way to compel people to socialize with local people, along with active attempts by the government to get the socially isolated interacting with others.

[Scomagia]

This does not prove your claim.

I wasn't even proving how often it was, but responding to the person who didn't think that they were separate or could be conflated.

Well, you can prove the claim any time now.

[Scomagia]

If all you're giving is anecdotal evidence that women want that, they can just as easily give anecdotal evidence that they don't. Six foot tall body builders aren't my type and aren't for a lot of women. Beyond just my own observations however, looking into women's media can illustrate clear differences between what men and women perceive as the ideal male body. The rippling muscles and shirtless dudes that make up our action stars were mostly conceived of by male writers and casting directors. While there are definitely women into that, women's media tends to focus more so on men sharing a soft or cultured side. Men that will offer to help you with things without being asked, men who notice your interests and compliments you on them, men who are well-groomed and willing to put some effort into their appearance, and men that don't feel the need to act tough around you all the time and are willing to show their emotions and let you in. All of these things demonstrate that your partner is willing to put effort into caring for themselves and can be relied upon. That maturity, that confidence, its sexy. Far sexier than a bunch of dude bros ripping it at the gym and catcalling girls.

People's preferences can vary, but for most women I know, myself included, we want someone who can treat us right, not just a pretty face. Just finding someone attractive isn't usually all that goes into picking a romantic or sexual partner. You want to make sure you're compatible. There are people who may be seen as conventionally attractive that are assholes, or who are completely lousy in bed.

Well, at least you spared us one of your stupid, 4 paragraph long rants about "FEMALES!".

[ImperialRussia]

I wont mind using bio weapons for the defense of my nation

[Loben The 2nd]

Chadiest, of the Chad's. Looks, intellect, money. (Well the mrs takes the money) but as mr. Meatloaf once said, 2 outa 3 ain't bad.

You dumb, stupid cuck...you mated with a Femoid (please have sex with me Mrs. Mermania, I'm a nice guy) who should be killed or else reserved for the aftermath of the Incel Revolution when those despicable Roasties will be brought to terms.

What the fuck did I just read.

[Bear Stearns]

"Dancing in the Moonlight" by King Harvest is my favorite song, because it reminds of me bonfires my cousins and I used to throw at the family compound in coastal New England.

[Bear Stearns]

You’re Alpha Chad of course. We feeeeemmmoooiiidddssss want you.

Chadiest, of the Chad's. Looks, intellect, money. (Well the mrs takes the money) but as mr. Meatloaf once said, 2 outa 3 ain't bad.

Chad Bushwick Barrington, III
Born: Greenwich, CT
High School: Phillips Academy Andover, played lacrosse
College: Yale, president of College Republicans and also played lacrosse, inducted into Skull & Bones
Career: Investment banking analyst at Morgan Stanley, private equity associate at KKR, now runs his own fund, Barrington & McKeever Partners, owns a minor league hockey team
Marriages: Twice divorced, third wife is half his age
Children: first son is an intern at Goldman Sachs, daughter works at an advertising agency, second son is a drug addict

[Beroya]

Government mandated booty calls.

[Idzequitch]

Perhaps my opinion isn't wanted or needed here. After all, I'm a mere volcel. At least, that's what I assume is the appropriate abbreviation for a voluntarily celebate person.

The whole "incel" thing perplexes me, mostly because it seems to come from a place of extreme entitlement. Let me be very clear. Sex is not a right and should not be viewed in that light. So in short, I don't recognize this "epidemic" as a problem, especially since life without sex is quite easily possible. I understand it's probably frustrating to want sex and not find a willing party. But even if I did recognize this as a problem, the right of an individual to control (as much as possible) what happens to their body is a far greater priority.

So frankly, my only answer to this "epidemic" of involuntary celibacy is "Get over it." Sorry if it sounds harsh, but no one owes you the use of their own body, so either you've gotta get consent, or move on with your life. *shrug*

[Nazis in Space]

Outbreeding them should be manageable.