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Postby Liriena » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:18 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Liriena wrote:You could not possibly make it any more clear that you've never been on grindr.

He seems to think that Grindr is a certain path to sex, when it really isn't.

I swear to god, if I had a dollar for every Grindr profile that consists mostly of a list of stuff the guy finds unattractive...
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:18 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Brb puking

No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:19 pm

Belantica wrote:So here’s a question:

Is it fine for me to decide that I would rather go out and play video games or work on cars over finding a female to be with?
Because after observing things that people I know went through, I am turned off by the thought of marriage and having offspring, especially how screwed this planet is in many different ways.

So yes, just give me a garage full of Nissans and 60s boomer muscle cars and I’ll go do my thing. Yes, I am a supporter of MGTOW since I have different priorities in my life.

That's the way old chap. No hating on women, just fixing the cars. Btw, mustang or Camaro? 67-69 models.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:19 pm

The South Falls wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:He seems to think that Grindr is a certain path to sex, when it really isn't.

its literally tinder but gay people.

Well, not quite. Anyone can message you on Grindr, for one. And you can send pictures which... is a bit of a double-edged sword, depending on your mood.
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Postby Mojave Confederation » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Grapasia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

Well then that's one thing we should do then? Force all incel to be homeless to increase their chance fucking?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Belantica wrote:So here’s a question:

Is it fine for me to decide that I would rather go out and play video games or work on cars over finding a female to be with?
Because after observing things that people I know went through, I am turned off by the thought of marriage and having offspring, especially how screwed this planet is in many different ways.

So yes, just give me a garage full of Nissans and 60s boomer muscle cars and I’ll go do my thing. Yes, I am a supporter of MGTOW since I have different priorities in my life.


Live your life in basically any way that you're comfortable, nobody cares until you start making gross generalization, ridiculous pronouncements, or playing fucked up psychological games with all of the earth's women.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Grapasia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

Ah, yes, the true chads having all the girls are the homeless guys.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Grapasia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

thugmaxxing? tf? anyway, height doesn't make you a woman repellent. Many of my friends have 5'-low dads. Your facial structure is less important than just solid symmetry.
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Mojave Confederation wrote:
Grapasia wrote:you seem to have a nasty habit of not reading my ops, among other things. tinder is a fuckfest but only for women and the top men, because women have much higher standards than men do, which makes sense because of the logistics of reproduction. read up nuddy boyo

God ffs

Also with that logic, shouldn't grindr is a fuckfest but only for the top men too?

to an extent but I'm sure gays practice more assortative mating and are more willing to take what they can get than women are. kudos to them.

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Grapasia wrote:cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

Ah, yes, the true chads having all the girls are the homeless guys.

girls just flying pussyfirst at the homeless dudes on the street.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

The South Falls wrote:No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

That's not a "guy" it's a "thing." There are a lot of homeless in my area who meet women to have a place to stay.
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Mojave Confederation wrote:
Grapasia wrote:cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

Well then that's one thing we should do then? Force all incel to be homeless to increase their chance fucking?

tfw no toothless bindiving meth gf

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Postby Neder Brum » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Aren't there unattractive single women too? Be like them and just buy some cats.

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Postby Mojave Confederation » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Grapasia wrote:cope he has height and pretty decent facial harmony, also maybe being homeless is somewhat close to white thugmaxxing idk

Ah, yes, the true chads having all the girls are the homeless guys.

Clearly then the whole talk about social status of men is moot, homeless is where its at.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Grapasia wrote:
Mojave Confederation wrote:God ffs

Also with that logic, shouldn't grindr is a fuckfest but only for the top men too?

to an extent but I'm sure gays practice more assortative mating and are more willing to take what they can get than women are. kudos to them.

I mean, again, this is a broad assumption, and I doubt you've ever been on grindr, so that's a start.
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Postby Mojave Confederation » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Grapasia wrote:
Mojave Confederation wrote:Well then that's one thing we should do then? Force all incel to be homeless to increase their chance fucking?

tfw no toothless bindiving meth gf

apparently yes.
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:22 pm

Neder Brum wrote:Aren't there unattractive single women too? Be like them and just buy some cats.

you have toxoplasmosis

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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:23 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Galloism wrote:Personally, I find it fascinating the different societal reaction to incels based on sex.

Here's an article from the Guardian:


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... ncel-woman

Here's the comments:



But this isn't particularly unusual - we seem to be wired to see women as victims and men as perpetrators.

We actually did some interesting studies over the years, and I'm just going to copy this article writ large.

https://malepsychology.org.uk/2019/06/1 ... s-victims/

Basically, how we view people as horrible people responsible for their own situation or victims of circumstance that they had no control over comes down to largely viewing them through a prism of gender, where women are basically good and are only victims of circumstance when bad things befall them, while men are basically bad and to blame for any bad things that befall them.

Actor vs object. Again.

But as to how to manage the incel epidemic, we probably need to treat men a little more like women and treat women a little more like men. Offering at least some compassion where they have none for men, and offering some judgement where they have none for women.

We probably won't eliminate the incel, but we can curb their numbers.


Hey look, someone made a point without saying anything excessively horrific. I don't understand why it's a challenge to see a problem, address the problem, and then not suggest something terrible.

Of course, because it's not batshit crazy, no one will engage with it.

Well done Ostro, keep being the Malcolm X to my Martin Luther King.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:23 pm

Mojave Confederation wrote:
Liriena wrote:Ah, yes, the true chads having all the girls are the homeless guys.

Clearly then the whole talk about social status of men is moot, homeless is where its at.

the point is that it's looks. it doesn't matter how homeless you are, how rich you are, jeff bezos looks like a gay light bulb which is why he's getting divorce raped by his milf wife. it's not rocket science

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

The South Falls wrote:thugmaxxing? tf? anyway, height doesn't make you a woman repellent. Many of my friends have 5'-low dads. Your facial structure is less important than just solid symmetry.


Well it really doesn't matter because we're talking in generalities and unless you really need to be attractive to MOST women they're irrelevant. You're trying to attract almost no women like a handful out of an enormous population. If you can't find ANY woman it's not your appearance, you're doing something terrible.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

Grapasia wrote:
Mojave Confederation wrote:God ffs

Also with that logic, shouldn't grindr is a fuckfest but only for the top men too?

to an extent but I'm sure gays practice more assortative mating and are more willing to take what they can get than women are. kudos to them.

And yet again you prove that you don't have a fucking clue what Grindr is like. :roll:
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The South Falls wrote:No cap this is wack shit. btw for the above post that guy is pretty much a con man who uses superficial charm. He looks average as fuck.

That's not a "guy" it's a "thing." There are a lot of homeless in my area who meet women to have a place to stay.

New solution then, all incels must be homeless
That should do it!
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 pm

Des-Bal wrote: If you can't find ANY woman it's not your appearance, you're doing something terrible.

There's no reason to assume this true, any more than it's true that if a woman "can't find any man, she's doing something terrible".

Some people just have bad luck.
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Postby Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Grapasia wrote:to an extent but I'm sure gays practice more assortative mating and are more willing to take what they can get than women are. kudos to them.

And yet again you prove that you don't have a fucking clue what Grindr is like. :roll:

how am I wrong

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Postby Cerinda » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 pm

The Youtuber Vaush has 2 great videos on this topic.

I think the main issue here is loneliness, men are less likely to seek help for their issues as they are supposed to "man up" and "deal with it themselves". The best thing to do is to end this stigma as not only will it help the end of 'Incel epicedimic' but will also decrease the male suicide rate as well.
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