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by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:44 am
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:45 am
Galloism wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
I disagree it's shooting yourself in a foot. Men do not need women to have happy lives, and dedicating yourself to helping yourself and other men is more rewarding once you decide to simply ignore womens objections to that.
While it may be true that women are currently the primary enforcers of gender roles, you've invested a lot of dedication into a notion that doesn't make most people happier.
Most people, male or female, want a relationship with a person of the opposite sex, a happy home, etc.
Sure, there's some who would prefer the same sex, but generally speaking, most people are happier with somebody - with very few exceptions.
I'm all for combating the sexism of women, but telling men they will be happier without them is not only petty, but almost certainly false.
by Kowani » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The South Falls wrote:In what way does it wreak havoc?
It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.The South Falls wrote:and I would think one-night allows people more partners, giving more people chances.
iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship
by Des-Bal » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a matter of men taking control and agency over the situation they find themselves in rather than pleading for the cooperation of their oppressors.
I disagree it's bigotry. Again, you haven't demonstrated how not caring about something is the same as hating them or whatever.
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by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.
by Galloism » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Galloism wrote:While it may be true that women are currently the primary enforcers of gender roles, you've invested a lot of dedication into a notion that doesn't make most people happier.
Most people, male or female, want a relationship with a person of the opposite sex, a happy home, etc.
Sure, there's some who would prefer the same sex, but generally speaking, most people are happier with somebody - with very few exceptions.
I'm all for combating the sexism of women, but telling men they will be happier without them is not only petty, but almost certainly false.
This is the problem though. They need to be happy without women in order to be happy with them. A relationship is an accessory to a life, not a fundamental part of it.
by Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The South Falls wrote:In what way does it wreak havoc?
It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.The South Falls wrote:and I would think one-night allows people more partners, giving more people chances.
iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship
by His Excellence » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:46 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?
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by Grapasia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:48 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Grapasia wrote:To a great extent, yes. We all speak languages with verbs, nouns, adjectives, syntax and grammar. We all learn to walk in the same way if we have two legs. Women have slower reaction times than men when pushing a button in response to visual stimuli. Female babies squeal differently than male babies. Schizophrenics pass schizophrenia onto their kids as an inborn trait. Nature is always afoot. Why else would hypergamy and women's consistent attraction to a small subset of men be a thing?
Humans are more sexually dimorphic than people think.
by Chifrial » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:49 am
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:49 am
Grapasia wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
Humans are more sexually dimorphic than people think.
Aren't all great apes pretty sexually dimorphic? When you factor in that their intelligence developed around existing in groups and having simple hierarchies, it makes sense that the mentalities of a more developed human man and a woman would be farther apart than the mentalities of a male and female chimpanzee. This is just a hunch though.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:49 am
Page wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Women are not owed infinite patience to better themselves in this matter, and nor is it a particular mans fault if he gives up on them, rather it is the limit of his patience.
Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?
A man is free to "give up" and stay single if he truly wants that, but it is a mistake to generalize literally half the human species based on one's experience with only a few women. I assume you would disagree with a woman who assesses men as a gender to be abusive because she has had experiences with a few abusive men.
Liriena wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:2. They'd prove the bio-truth factions of the manosphere right and be incapable of having this epiphany in large part except for some anomalies, and their punishment would fit the crime.
"Please take my blackpill lite or much worse people on my side will hurt you! I swear I'm the good guy here!"
by Page » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:50 am
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:50 am
Chifrial wrote:A big part of the problem may be that there are more men on earth than women. Disregarding men's social skills and attractiveness, there would still be many left out from relationships due to this fact alone. I doubt there is an easy way to solve the incel epidemic.
https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.MA.IN
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:50 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.
What? India has a massive incel population. The general imbalance is huge there.
by Liriena » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:50 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Liriena wrote:You commitment to out-grouping and demonizing the entirety of women as a gender to justify a fatalistic, "blackpill lite" approach is duly noted, but it'd be nice if you could present an actual argument that isn't just a pretentiously written version of "girls have cooties".
Coming from someone who I used to consider an enemy of bigotry (given your strong opposition to misandry and anti-white racism), I find it deeply concerning that you're honestly trying to positively frame a sort of bigotry as an "improvement" because it's not as wont to violent fantasies as the more extreme version of it.
It's a matter of men taking control and agency over the situation they find themselves in rather than pleading for the cooperation of their oppressors.
Ostroeuropa wrote:Your problem is your brain has been filled with conflict theory/marxist drivel about there necessarily being an oppressor and oppressed class rather than there being a social problem that needs solving.
Ostroeuropa wrote:I disagree it's bigotry. Again, you haven't demonstrated how not caring about something is the same as hating them or whatever.
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by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:51 am
Page wrote:Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.
Ideologies and worldviews are not passed on genetically. Socialists do not have socialism in their genes and they don't breed intrinsically socialist offspring. Christians don't have kids who are born believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god.
Incel ideology is toxic and its spread has nothing to do with procreation.
by ImperialRussia » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:51 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:52 am
Page wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.
iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship
Does playing videogames warp one's view of life, that actions never have permanent consequences?
Page wrote:Does watching professional sports cause a person to think extremely athletic people are the norm and that everyone else who can't do what those athletes do are weak?
Page wrote:Why is porn different than other sorts of entertainment?
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:52 am
Page wrote:Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.
Ideologies and worldviews are not passed on genetically. Socialists do not have socialism in their genes and they don't breed intrinsically socialist offspring. Christians don't have kids who are born believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god.
Incel ideology is toxic and its spread has nothing to do with procreation.
by Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:52 am
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:53 am
His Excellence wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?
I'm pretty sure that male separatism is a big part of the problem in the first place. Refusing to treat women like human beings that are worth associating with in a context that isn't sexual or romantic is self defeating, and makes it impossible to form a meaningful relationship, the supposed end goal of incels who aren't interested in prostitutes.
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