How do we manage the incel epidemic?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes? Perhaps it will slightly lower the genetic aspect of toxic masculinity, if there is one.
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

I do not want people who act like some incels or anyone who has toxic masculinity or sexism to be able to raise children, it may spread. (I did not say if I support or oppose legislation to prevent any of this)

[Ostroeuropa]

I disagree it's shooting yourself in a foot. Men do not need women to have happy lives, and dedicating yourself to helping yourself and other men is more rewarding once you decide to simply ignore womens objections to that.

While it may be true that women are currently the primary enforcers of gender roles, you've invested a lot of dedication into a notion that doesn't make most people happier.

Most people, male or female, want a relationship with a person of the opposite sex, a happy home, etc.

Sure, there's some who would prefer the same sex, but generally speaking, most people are happier with somebody - with very few exceptions.

I'm all for combating the sexism of women, but telling men they will be happier without them is not only petty, but almost certainly false.

This is the problem though. They need to be happy without women in order to be happy with them. A relationship is an accessory to a life, not a fundamental part of it.

[Kowani]

In what way does it wreak havoc?

It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.

and I would think one-night allows people more partners, giving more people chances.

iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship

It’s also an escape valve that helps lower the amount of rape.

[Des-Bal]

It's a matter of men taking control and agency over the situation they find themselves in rather than pleading for the cooperation of their oppressors.

I disagree it's bigotry. Again, you haven't demonstrated how not caring about something is the same as hating them or whatever.

Nobody gives a solitary fuck if you decide not to stick your dick somewhere. Nobody cares until you start talking that oppression bullshit and break out the weird pseudopsychology.

[Bear Stearns]

Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

What? India has a massive incel population. The general imbalance is huge there.

[Galloism]

While it may be true that women are currently the primary enforcers of gender roles, you've invested a lot of dedication into a notion that doesn't make most people happier.

Most people, male or female, want a relationship with a person of the opposite sex, a happy home, etc.

Sure, there's some who would prefer the same sex, but generally speaking, most people are happier with somebody - with very few exceptions.

I'm all for combating the sexism of women, but telling men they will be happier without them is not only petty, but almost certainly false.

This is the problem though. They need to be happy without women in order to be happy with them. A relationship is an accessory to a life, not a fundamental part of it.

I don't think you'll get there without a hell of a lot of genetic engineering. Very very precise genetic engineering.

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In what way does it wreak havoc?

It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.

and I would think one-night allows people more partners, giving more people chances.

iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship

Does playing videogames warp one's view of life, that actions never have permanent consequences? Does watching professional sports cause a person to think extremely athletic people are the norm and that everyone else who can't do what those athletes do are weak? Why is porn different than other sorts of entertainment?

[His Excellence]

Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?

I'm pretty sure that male separatism is a big part of the problem in the first place. Refusing to treat women like human beings that are worth associating with in a context that isn't sexual or romantic is self defeating, and makes it impossible to form a meaningful relationship, the supposed end goal of incels who aren't interested in prostitutes.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Had to stop reading. China never buried people in the great wall. That would weaken it.

The economy is great not terrible (you must have missed the recession).

[Hurdergaryp]

NationStates Summer is here once more, I see.

[Grapasia]

To a great extent, yes. We all speak languages with verbs, nouns, adjectives, syntax and grammar. We all learn to walk in the same way if we have two legs. Women have slower reaction times than men when pushing a button in response to visual stimuli. Female babies squeal differently than male babies. Schizophrenics pass schizophrenia onto their kids as an inborn trait. Nature is always afoot. Why else would hypergamy and women's consistent attraction to a small subset of men be a thing?

Humans are more sexually dimorphic than people think.

Aren't all great apes pretty sexually dimorphic? When you factor in that their intelligence developed around existing in groups and having simple hierarchies, it makes sense that the mentalities of a more developed human man and a woman would be farther apart than the mentalities of a male and female chimpanzee. This is just a hunch though.

[Grapasia]

NationStates Summer is here once more, I see.

growth sed and bloweth med and sprignth the wude nu

[Chifrial]

A big part of the problem may be that there are more men on earth than women. Disregarding men's social skills and attractiveness, there would still be many left out from relationships due to this fact alone. I doubt there is an easy way to solve the incel epidemic.

https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.MA.IN

[Bear Stearns]

Humans are more sexually dimorphic than people think.

Aren't all great apes pretty sexually dimorphic? When you factor in that their intelligence developed around existing in groups and having simple hierarchies, it makes sense that the mentalities of a more developed human man and a woman would be farther apart than the mentalities of a male and female chimpanzee. This is just a hunch though.

We are more sexually dimorphic than chimps (our closest relatives) but less so than gorillas, iirc.

There are also slight differences in sexual dimoprhism among human populations.

[Ostroeuropa]

Women are not owed infinite patience to better themselves in this matter, and nor is it a particular mans fault if he gives up on them, rather it is the limit of his patience.

Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?

A man is free to "give up" and stay single if he truly wants that, but it is a mistake to generalize literally half the human species based on one's experience with only a few women. I assume you would disagree with a woman who assesses men as a gender to be abusive because she has had experiences with a few abusive men.

There aren't studies proving that in general men are abusive as a trend that could justify women going out with pepper spray, for instance. Empathy on the other hand... As a default, do not put effort into empathizing with women until they demonstrate a commitment to doing so, otherwise you will be wasting your energy more times than not.

2. They'd prove the bio-truth factions of the manosphere right and be incapable of having this epiphany in large part except for some anomalies, and their punishment would fit the crime.

"Please take my blackpill lite or much worse people on my side will hurt you! I swear I'm the good guy here!"

They're not on my side.
Nazis and communists both understand capitalism is shite, they merely draw different conclusions.

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Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

Ideologies and worldviews are not passed on genetically. Socialists do not have socialism in their genes and they don't breed intrinsically socialist offspring. Christians don't have kids who are born believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god.

Incel ideology is toxic and its spread has nothing to do with procreation.

[Bear Stearns]

A big part of the problem may be that there are more men on earth than women. Disregarding men's social skills and attractiveness, there would still be many left out from relationships due to this fact alone. I doubt there is an easy way to solve the incel epidemic.

https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.MA.IN

Most of that is in Asia.

In the United States, women outnumber men.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

What? India has a massive incel population. The general imbalance is huge there.

Yet the population is still growing quite a bit.

[Liriena]

You commitment to out-grouping and demonizing the entirety of women as a gender to justify a fatalistic, "blackpill lite" approach is duly noted, but it'd be nice if you could present an actual argument that isn't just a pretentiously written version of "girls have cooties".


Coming from someone who I used to consider an enemy of bigotry (given your strong opposition to misandry and anti-white racism), I find it deeply concerning that you're honestly trying to positively frame a sort of bigotry as an "improvement" because it's not as wont to violent fantasies as the more extreme version of it.

It's a matter of men taking control and agency over the situation they find themselves in rather than pleading for the cooperation of their oppressors.

To quote someone a lot smarter than me:

Your problem is your brain has been filled with conflict theory/marxist drivel about there necessarily being an oppressor and oppressed class rather than there being a social problem that needs solving.

I wonder what happened to him.

I disagree it's bigotry. Again, you haven't demonstrated how not caring about something is the same as hating them or whatever.

As an MRA, I imagined you'd be well acquainted with how open indifference towards an entire gender is a form of bigotry.

[Bear Stearns]

Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

Ideologies and worldviews are not passed on genetically. Socialists do not have socialism in their genes and they don't breed intrinsically socialist offspring. Christians don't have kids who are born believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god.

Incel ideology is toxic and its spread has nothing to do with procreation.

No, but your genes affect things such as your temperament and time preference, which can have an impact on your political views as well as your general outlook on life.

[ImperialRussia]

We manage it by closing borders looking for a cure first then later reopening borders after having the cure globally produced without patient and only reopen border for those people with that type epidemic others infection will currently working on cure if cure is found then we reopen our borders to secure our people from infection.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It warps ideas of how sex works, ruins a persons libido and in the worst cases causes you to seek out gradually more and more extreme porn to keep getting off, causes physical addicition etc etc.



iirc with the more partners you've had there's a greater chance of divorce or just never getting into a stable relationship

Does playing videogames warp one's view of life, that actions never have permanent consequences?

Absolutely, not just video games either. Widespread internet usage as a whole has drastically warped and influenced young people in negative ways.

Does watching professional sports cause a person to think extremely athletic people are the norm and that everyone else who can't do what those athletes do are weak?

I imagine it would only take a little bit of effort to find such people but I don't follow sports at all so I dunno.

Why is porn different than other sorts of entertainment?

Because we have a pretty long line of research showing all its negative effects. The same can't be said for, I dunno, giant monster movies.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Why does it matter if incels don't get to pass on their genes?
Who cares if the population plateaus or starts to drop in certain locales? It is not and will not soon in India or Africa. Ease out of the pyramid scheme like method of government and encourage more immigration.

Ideologies and worldviews are not passed on genetically. Socialists do not have socialism in their genes and they don't breed intrinsically socialist offspring. Christians don't have kids who are born believing in Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god.

Incel ideology is toxic and its spread has nothing to do with procreation.

No, not ideologies, but maybe, even if unlikely, personalities. Also, the nurture aspect can often encourage children to follow the ideology of their parents.

[Bear Stearns]

What? India has a massive incel population. The general imbalance is huge there.

Yet the population is still growing quite a bit.

Because the birthrate rate has been high enough that this problem has been masked, but as India's birthrate slows, this will reveal itself to be true more and more.

However, India's patriarchal culture is a lot stronger than America's, so we'll see how they deal with this.

[Ostroeuropa]

Again, do you deny that male seperatism is an improvement over incel ideology?

I'm pretty sure that male separatism is a big part of the problem in the first place. Refusing to treat women like human beings that are worth associating with in a context that isn't sexual or romantic is self defeating, and makes it impossible to form a meaningful relationship, the supposed end goal of incels who aren't interested in prostitutes.

Men are atomized, not separate. Mens groups and organizations working on self-improvement and helping other men are vital to combating the problem.

You're making an assumption there that women are worth associating with in a context that isn't sexual or romantic. Individual women may be, but as a trend, that is a dubious proposition and studies would suggest otherwise.

MGTOW philosophy goes into depth on the matter, and one example of the phenomena presenting itself recently is CEOs deciding to segregate themselves away from women in the wake of MeToo.