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Geneviev wrote:

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:And this is why, folks, that religion should be rid of. And all of you 'moderate' Christians, don't tell me about how the Bible isn't anti-LGBT. You have the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and then the you have Leviticus 20:13:

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

That's some pretty damning evidence right there.

The Bible does say that LGBT is a sin, but it also says that Jesus ate with sinners and told the person with no sin to cast the first stone (because only God can judge). Pastors like this don't represent Christianity at all.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
TRI KRESTA, TRIKE TRIKE TRI KRESTA

Иисус носит ADIDAS

No get reference.

North German Realm wrote:

Geneviev wrote:The Bible does say that LGBT is a sin, but it also says that Jesus ate with sinners and told the person with no sin to cast the first stone (because only God can judge). Pastors like this don't represent Christianity at all.

With all due respect, you probably should have stop reading the bible for being ridiculously stupid when it said "LGBT is a sin" and shouldn't have even reached the part where it condescendingly says "but muh god reborn still can saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you"

Geneviev wrote:

North German Realm wrote:With all due respect, you probably should have stop reading the bible for being ridiculously stupid when it said "LGBT is a sin" and shouldn't have even reached the part where it condescendingly says "but muh god reborn still can saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you"

What do you mean?

Kannap wrote:
So, NSG, what do you think? What is there to say about people who continue to not only believe these things about LGBT but continue to speak them out loudly and proudly for all to hear? Do you think this is hate speech or that what he's said is acceptable behavior?

I personally think people like this man are absolutely horrible people and don't deserve respect that basic human beings deserve. I believe they're constantly spewing hate speech that the public is better off not having to bother listening to, it's a burden on all of us to have to hear people like him.

North German Realm wrote:

Geneviev wrote:What do you mean?

Any religious book that even considers personal sexual actions (or, more likely, being a sexuality not the norm in the first place) as a warrant for going to hell isn't worthy of reading into long enough to find the part where it also does a condescending holier-than-thou "Even though you're scum, our god hung out with you and so we shouldn't tell you you're scum in the first place because god will when you die"

Vassenor wrote:

Rost Dreadnorramus wrote:Or you have other things to do that are of more importance.

If you have better things to do than defend your points, why make them in the first place?

Geneviev wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Any religious book that even considers personal sexual actions (or, more likely, being a sexuality not the norm in the first place) as a warrant for going to hell isn't worthy of reading into long enough to find the part where it also does a condescending holier-than-thou "Even though you're scum, our god hung out with you and so we shouldn't tell you you're scum in the first place because god will when you die"

The point of Christianity is that everyone should go to hell, but God saved us. It's not supposed to be a condescending or judgmental religion.

North German Realm wrote:

Geneviev wrote:The point of Christianity is that everyone should go to hell, but God saved us. It's not supposed to be a condescending or judgmental religion.

That... that makes it even more condescending though. If "Everyone is a bad person by default" is how the religion starts its base, I'm not sure why anyone would be intrigued enough to read any more into it.

Geneviev wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Any religious book that even considers personal sexual actions (or, more likely, being a sexuality not the norm in the first place) as a warrant for going to hell isn't worthy of reading into long enough to find the part where it also does a condescending holier-than-thou "Even though you're scum, our god hung out with you and so we shouldn't tell you you're scum in the first place because god will when you die"

The point of Christianity is that everyone should go to hell, but God saved us. It's not supposed to be a condescending or judgmental religion.

Illegal Planets wrote:

Kannap wrote:
So, NSG, what do you think? What is there to say about people who continue to not only believe these things about LGBT but continue to speak them out loudly and proudly for all to hear? Do you think this is hate speech or that what he's said is acceptable behavior?

I personally think people like this man are absolutely horrible people and don't deserve respect that basic human beings deserve. I believe they're constantly spewing hate speech that the public is better off not having to bother listening to, it's a burden on all of us to have to hear people like him.

People are allowed to publicly believe and say what they want. Adults don't need anyone to cover their ears and tell them what they should and should not hear. I would rather someone be able to loudly express potentially reprehensible ideas so that I can just as loudly push back against those ideas, and know what they actually think.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Geneviev wrote:The point of Christianity is that everyone should go to hell, but God saved us. It's not supposed to be a condescending or judgmental religion.

That's not been my takeaway.

I don't remember a passage. "And Jesus spake unto the gathered multitudes and said: 'You're all scum, and you all deserve to burn forever.'"

Let's see. I remember: judge not lest ye be judged, and love thy neighbour as thyself...

Geneviev wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:That's not been my takeaway.

I don't remember a passage. "And Jesus spake unto the gathered multitudes and said: 'You're all scum, and you all deserve to burn forever.'"

Let's see. I remember: judge not lest ye be judged, and love thy neighbour as thyself...

I meant that everyone deserves to go to hell, but they don't have to because of Jesus.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Geneviev wrote:I meant that everyone deserves to go to hell, but they don't have to because of Jesus.

I know what you meant. But I don't remember Christ condemning humanity as naturally evil.

Some religious leaders, possibly. But that's an entirely different matter.

Geneviev wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:I know what you meant. But I don't remember Christ condemning humanity as naturally evil.

Some religious leaders, possibly. But that's an entirely different matter.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

The Free Joy State wrote:

Geneviev wrote:"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

That's less a condemnation as a reminder to not be egotistical and sure of your righteousness. Read it in context with Romans 3:22:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Not that it's especially relevant to that man's disgusting comments, though.

San Lumen wrote:

Illegal Planets wrote:
People are allowed to publicly believe and say what they want. Adults don't need anyone to cover their ears and tell them what they should and should not hear. I would rather someone be able to loudly express potentially reprehensible ideas so that I can just as loudly push back against those ideas, and know what they actually think.

That is technically true but their are limits but this man is also an officer of the law. What he said was also an incitement of violence which you cannot do.

For him to be espousing such vile hateful things is totally unbecoming of a police officer and the Sheriff's Office had every right to fire him or was that unjust according to you?

Kannap wrote:I personally think people like this man are absolutely horrible people and don't deserve respect that basic human beings deserve. I believe they're constantly spewing hate speech that the public is better off not having to bother listening to, it's a burden on all of us to have to hear people like him.

Splootan wrote:tbh that guy had as much free speech as LGBTQ people have. But sure, starving half of your own country and blowing everyone up with nukes is much better than free speech. God bless that guy for fighting fire with fire

Andsed wrote:Pastor is a moronic asshole. Shocking that blatant bigots like him are even able to become pastors.

Illegal Planets wrote:

Andsed wrote:Pastor is a moronic asshole. Shocking that blatant bigots like him are even able to become pastors.

Alternatively, your counterpart might say, "I can't believe degenerates like (insert gay person) are allowed to be pastors."