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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:50 am

Illegal Planets wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:It's actually a "yes he does have the right to say this" but I guess something so blatantly obvious is still incapable of being seen by the most obtuse.


Oh yeah, I meant to say i'll take that as a "yes". I hope I'll be able to be as sharp as you one day papa


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:51 am

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San Lumen wrote:That is technically true but their are limits but this man is also an officer of the law. What he said was also an incitement of violence which you cannot do.

For him to be espousing such vile hateful things is totally unbecoming of a police officer and the Sheriff's Office had every right to fire him or was that unjust according to you?


There is nothing technical about it. People are legally allowed to believe and say what they want, short of slander and incitement to violence. However, the OP said:

Kannap wrote:I personally think people like this man are absolutely horrible people and don't deserve respect that basic human beings deserve. I believe they're constantly spewing hate speech that the public is better off not having to bother listening to, it's a burden on all of us to have to hear people like him.


People like this man, as in people who say similar things. As a police officer, the man has an obligation to uphold the law for all citizens whether he likes them or not, so yes, he did cross the line in a very big way. However, what is considered "vile" is subjective. Some people think homosexuals are vile. Others think pastors are vile.

Was the sheriffs department wrong denounce his bigotry and fire him in your view?

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Postby Illegal Planets » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:57 am

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There is nothing technical about it. People are legally allowed to believe and say what they want, short of slander and incitement to violence. However, the OP said:



People like this man, as in people who say similar things. As a police officer, the man has an obligation to uphold the law for all citizens whether he likes them or not, so yes, he did cross the line in a very big way. However, what is considered "vile" is subjective. Some people think homosexuals are vile. Others think pastors are vile.

Was the sheriffs department wrong denounce his bigotry and fire him in your view?


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:58 am

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San Lumen wrote:Was the sheriffs department wrong denounce his bigotry and fire him in your view?


That doesn't matter.

Why not?

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Postby Illegal Planets » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:15 am

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That doesn't matter.

Why not?


No they weren't wrong. He was a police officer. Cops are sworn to uphold the law for everyone.

EDIT: Cops are people too. However, since their duties are to keep citizens safe, it is understandable that he be let go from his department for the statements he made.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:27 am

Disgusting. Simply disgusting. And he calls himself a Christian, which is even worse. Those are not Christian values at all, what he’s espousing. Truly disgusting. You don’t have to accept LGBT people, but neither should you call for their death.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:36 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Disgusting. Simply disgusting. And he calls himself a Christian, which is even worse. Those are not Christian values at all, what he’s espousing. Truly disgusting. You don’t have to accept LGBT people, but neither should you call for their death.

It is Christian values. Read Leviticus 20:13. Remember: all major religions (bar Baha'i maybe?) are that of violence. You have your obvious examples of Islam, then you have Buddhist terrorists, Christian evangelicals, the Jewish apartheid state known as Israel and Hindu nationalism.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Disgusting. Simply disgusting. And he calls himself a Christian, which is even worse. Those are not Christian values at all, what he’s espousing. Truly disgusting. You don’t have to accept LGBT people, but neither should you call for their death.

It is Christian values. Read Leviticus 20:13. Remember: all major religions (bar Baha'i maybe?) are that of violence. You have your obvious examples of Islam, then you have Buddhist terrorists, Christian evangelicals, the Jewish apartheid state known as Israel and Hindu nationalism.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Disgusting. Simply disgusting. And he calls himself a Christian, which is even worse. Those are not Christian values at all, what he’s espousing. Truly disgusting. You don’t have to accept LGBT people, but neither should you call for their death.

It is Christian values. Read Leviticus 20:13. Remember: all major religions (bar Baha'i maybe?) are that of violence. You have your obvious examples of Islam, then you have Buddhist terrorists, Christian evangelicals, the Jewish apartheid state known as Israel and Hindu nationalism.


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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:45 am

What a guy. He'll happily circumvent all pretense of being a Christian, just to bash gays. As Salus stated, Levitical law doesn't apply anymore. And to reject people for sinning (if they were) goes contrary to what is laid forth in the new testament, which does apply.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:48 am

There is free speech and it seems LGBT are not wanted there. Don't harass a pastor for believing his religious ideals.

I didn't see the executed part sorry.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:49 am

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So, NSG, what do you think? What is there to say about people who continue to not only believe these things about LGBT but continue to speak them out loudly and proudly for all to hear? Do you think this is hate speech or that what he's said is acceptable behavior?

I personally think people like this man are absolutely horrible people and don't deserve respect that basic human beings deserve. I believe they're constantly spewing hate speech that the public is better off not having to bother listening to, it's a burden on all of us to have to hear people like him.

They may be dumber then a bag of rocks cause they don't know what gender they are, but that is'nt any excuse to kill um, maybe they got a mental disease or something,

Now the people that murder innocent babies, now they should have a guillotine as the last thing that they see,

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:49 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:There is free speech and it seems LGBT are not wanted there. Don't harass a pastor for believing his religious ideals.

I didn't see the executed part sorry.

He's also a police detective.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:51 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:There is free speech and it seems LGBT are not wanted there. Don't harass a pastor for believing his religious ideals.

I didn't see the executed part sorry.


Incitement of violence is not free speech.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:52 am

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:There is free speech and it seems LGBT are not wanted there. Don't harass a pastor for believing his religious ideals.

I didn't see the executed part sorry.

He's also a police detective.

His job is not part of this. I trust a religious mans integrity even when his ideas are too extreme. Its worth saying that there also are not enough LGBT that his opinion could lead to faulty judgment.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:54 am

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Galloism wrote:He's also a police detective.

His job is not part of this. I trust a religious mans integrity even when his ideas are too extreme. Its worth saying that there also are not enough LGBT that his opinion could lead to faulty judgment.


Using one's position to incite violence is apparently OK as long as you agree with them.
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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:His job is not part of this. I trust a religious mans integrity even when his ideas are too extreme. Its worth saying that there also are not enough LGBT that his opinion could lead to faulty judgment.


Using one's position to incite violence is apparently OK as long as you agree with them.

I don't think killing homosexuals is right.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:56 am

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:His job is not part of this. I trust a religious mans integrity even when his ideas are too extreme. Its worth saying that there also are not enough LGBT that his opinion could lead to faulty judgment.


Using one's position to incite violence is apparently OK as long as you agree with them.

He did not do this as a policeman.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:59 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Using one's position to incite violence is apparently OK as long as you agree with them.

He did not do this as a policeman.


No, he did this as a preacher. That does not invalidate what I said.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:00 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Galloism wrote:He's also a police detective.

His job is not part of this.

In fact it is.
In the sermon, delivered on June 2, the pastor, Grayson Fritts, also called for the government to send a riot team to a Pride parade scheduled for June 22 in Knoxville. He said L.G.B.T. people should be arrested, tried, and if convicted, executed.

“That’s the problem with law enforcement nowadays,” he said in a video of the sermon posted by The Tennessee Holler. “They are chasing around cookie thieves, when the real animals are on floats rolling down Gay Street.”

I trust a religious mans integrity

No one else does. The DA is reviewing all his cases.
even when his ideas are too extreme. Its worth saying that there also are not enough LGBT that his opinion could lead to faulty judgment.

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:He did not do this as a policeman.


No, he did this as a preacher. That does not invalidate what I said.

Is a preacher reading the old testament inciting violence?
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Postby Llalta » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:01 am

To be quite honest, I find that many homophobic Christians and other religious people seem to hate the LGBT people because "God said so", but they never explain why God says that they're bad. What's God's reasoning for hating LGBT people?
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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
No, he did this as a preacher. That does not invalidate what I said.

Is a preacher reading the old testament inciting violence?


So how is saying LGBT people need to be executed not inciting violence?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:02 am

Llalta wrote:To be quite honest, I find that many homophobic Christians and other religious people seem to hate the LGBT people because "God said so", but they never explain why God says that they're bad. What's God's reasoning for hating LGBT people?

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Llalta wrote:To be quite honest, I find that many homophobic Christians and other religious people seem to hate the LGBT people because "God said so", but they never explain why God says that they're bad. What's God's reasoning for hating LGBT people?

The bible says men can not have s** with other men because that is bad.

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