Tennessee Pastor Calls for LGBT People to be Executed

[Inkopolitia]

Weew, what a generalization.

As for the thread itself, I know that it's a minority of Catholics who are like this. I'm atheist, by the way.

The guy in question is a Baptist.

Also applies to Baptists.

[The Alma Mater]

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

In practice it is simple cherrypicking. Clothes from two different fabrics or wearing glasses at the altar is fine, being gay is not.

[The Alma Mater]

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

Why'd Jesus null the old laws again?
Also the antichrist is supposedly sexually perverted but not into females. Implies homosexuality right?

Or pedophilia.
Like the average Roman Catholic priest.

Interesting point.

[Salus Maior]

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

[Brittany Normandy Aquitaine]

I'm against the whole LGBT thing, but I believe someone shouldn't be executed for such a thing, he is a bit outrageous, on a bit of the crazy side.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

Why'd Jesus null the old laws again?
Also the antichrist is supposedly sexually perverted but not into females. Implies homosexuality right?

I don't know much about the Antichrist other than he's supposed to be a person of power who happens to be universally popular and well-loved, making it easier for him to pull the ol' switcheroo on us all.

As for the first point, the OT was penance for the Original Sin. Since Jesus' sacrifice absolves everyone who has been or will be born of all their sins, including the Original Sin, this means most of the OT is no longer applicable unless it was repeated in the NT.

[The Free Joy State]

That was my first thought, funnily enough.

As for his actual comments, disgusting. Especially from someone paid to uphold the actual law, not his interpretation based on one line of Leviticus (and, as always, I wonder how literally he takes the rest).

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

I don't want to start a debate here, of course. But Christ is believed to have come as a fulfilment of the law, to follow the laws of "Love thy neighbour as thyself" and "love God". Galatians 3:23-25 says:

23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

So basically, yes. Christians no longer need to follow OT law.

Also, "abomination" -- as used in Leviticus -- is believed to have been a misunderstanding of "toevah", anyway -- which is believed to have been meant to convey "ritual uncleanness":

There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied.

Not that I think those likely to scour their Bibles for excuses for their hatred for the LGBT+ community are likely to care.

[Salus Maior]

Also the antichrist is supposedly sexually perverted but not into females. Implies homosexuality right?

...Where did you hear that?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

It wouldn't be an organized religion if the scripture was clear and easily understood; gotta have theological debates to keep the clergy busy, y'know?

[The Rich Port]

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

Theological nuances don't really matter a lot outside of the niche philosophical field of... Theology.

So... Why would/should we care, exactly?

It especially has zero relevance to whether this smug zealot has a right to persecute people based upon whether he thinks they're committing imagined crimes.

[Abarri]

It disconcerts me that Fritts is also a detective.

Did he deliberately forget Mark 12:31? I dismiss that guy as someone who spouts another unsurprising fundamentalist garbage, always wanting to start something.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

Theological nuances don't really matter a lot outside of the niche philosophical field of... Theology.

So... Why would/should we care, exactly?

It especially has zero relevance to whether this smug zealot has a right to persecute people based upon whether he thinks they're committing imagined crimes.

It has every relevance: he's a fucking heretic.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

That was my first thought, funnily enough.

As for his actual comments, disgusting. Especially from someone paid to uphold the actual law, not his interpretation based on one line of Leviticus (and, as always, I wonder how literally he takes the rest).

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

No one does (unless it is convenient), but some still claim that we do have to.

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It disconcerts me that Fritts is also a detective.

Did he deliberately forget Mark 12:31? I dismiss that guy as someone who spouts another unsurprising fundamentalist garbage, always wanting to start something.

Also John 8:7, during which Jesus said that only perfect people may start the execution (while not starting it Himself, despite His perfection). Unless of course this is another paster who thinks himself to be perfect.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm kinda drunk but let me give my opinion nonetheless

Seriously wtf. Like I'm not gay and can't understand why someone feels gay but the last thing I want is a society where people are murdered simply cause they wanna do the nasty with the same gender as they. Like what are certain people thinking? Why should we put someone to death for something that has no effect on us?
I'm saying no to this guy's Christian sharia state

[American Pere Housh]

I'm a conservative and even I think he took it a little too far there.

[Salus Maior]

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

Theological nuances don't really matter a lot outside of the niche philosophical field of... Theology.

So... Why would/should we care, exactly?

It especially has zero relevance to whether this smug zealot has a right to persecute people based upon whether he thinks they're committing imagined crimes.

It's relevant because it was brought up, and it was brought up because differing understandings of the Bible have led to this guy saying what he's saying.

Although really, it's ultimately a topic best handled by the CDT.

[The Free Joy State]

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

Depends on the sect of Christianity from what I understand. After all the 10 commandments are Old Testament.

Although, I've heard an argument that most of the Ten Commandments are basically covered in "love God" and "love your neighbour"

Let's see. "Don't murder" -- well, that's your neighbour. "Don't covet" -- neighbour. "Don't commit adultery" -- neighbour again. "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" -- God... and so on.

EDIT: Although, we probably shouldn't wander off too far into the undergrowth as it's not really relevant to some guy in Tennessee saying a repulsive thing.

[Rojava Free State]

It's a bit more nuanced than that.

But I imagine most people here won't bother to find a more comprehensive understanding of Scripture's relation to doctrine so, sure.

It wouldn't be an organized religion if the scripture was clear and easily understood; gotta have theological debates to keep the clergy busy, y'know?

The old testament and new testament both apply for Christians while only the old testament applies for jews. Any Christian who say s only the new testament applies to them is out of touch with their faith. There's an easy solution tho if that part of the bible makes you uncomfortable
stop being religious

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

No one does (unless it is convenient)

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

No, you're right. OT is for Jews; NT is for Christians.

Seems that Jews do.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

What's funnier is that Christians don't have to uphold OT law anymore (Christians correct me if I'm wrong pls)

Depends on the sect of Christianity from what I understand. After all the 10 commandments are Old Testament.

And also (mostly) repeated in the New Testament, and all summed up by the golden rule + love God as much as you can.

[American Pere Housh]

Depends on the sect of Christianity from what I understand. After all the 10 commandments are Old Testament.

And also (mostly) repeated in the New Testament, and all summed up by the golden rule + love God as much as you can.

Jesus said to love even your enemies.

[Salus Maior]

It wouldn't be an organized religion if the scripture was clear and easily understood; gotta have theological debates to keep the clergy busy, y'know?

The old testament and new testament both apply for Christians while only the old testament applies for jews. Any Christian who say s only the new testament applies to them is out of touch with their faith. There's an easy solution tho if that part of the bible makes you uncomfortable
stop being religious

I'm glad we have you, random internet poster, to tell what a 2000 year old worldwide religious community has to believe in order to be "in touch with their faith".

Tell me, where's your theology degree? How many years have you personally observed Christian practice?

[The Rich Port]

Theological nuances don't really matter a lot outside of the niche philosophical field of... Theology.

So... Why would/should we care, exactly?

It especially has zero relevance to whether this smug zealot has a right to persecute people based upon whether he thinks they're committing imagined crimes.

It has every relevance: he's a fucking heretic.

Well, being a heretic isn't a crime in the US... Ya frickin' Imperium bootlicker. >:P

THE T'AU EMPIRE SHALL PREVAIL.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

And also (mostly) repeated in the New Testament, and all summed up by the golden rule + love God as much as you can.

Jesus said to love even your enemies.

And that anything done for the lowest and poorest people was done for Him.

[Grenartia]

Any Christian who say s only the new testament applies to them is out of touch with their faith.

Citation needed.

There's an easy solution tho if that part of the bible makes you uncomfortable
stop being religious

Nah, fam.