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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:48 pm

As climate change makes its presence felt across the world, those in the developing world have been suffering the worst of it, their very poverty causing their denizens to rely on fossil fuels to go on with living while at the same time fueling the very phenomenon that will kill a massive number of them before long.

And by "before long" I mean this:

Groundwater, the source of 40% of India’s water needs, is depleting at an unsustainable rate, Niti Aayog, a governmental thinktank, said in a 2018 report. Twenty-one Indian cities – including Delhi, Bengaluru, Chennai and Hyderabad – are expected to run out of groundwater by 2020, and 40% of India’s population will have no access to drinking water by 2030, the report said.


I do not kid when I said "apocalypse".

Delhi, the nation's historic old capital, the heart of India's largest and world's third-largest urban agglomeration by population after Tokyo-Yokohama and greater Jakarta, and by itself housing eleven million strong.

Chennai, India's sixth-largest city at 7 million people, and the leading city of the southern portion of the subcontinent.

Bangalore, India's third-largest, with 8 million strong.

Hyderabad, India's fourth, with 6.9 million.

About thirty-three million people slated to lose access to their groundwater two years from now, with nearly half of India to follow suit a decade after. This, in a country with more than 1.3 billion.

And to be fair, they've recieved plenty of warning of what was in store:

Hundreds of Indian villages have been evacuated as a historic drought forces families to abandon their homes in search of water.

The country has seen extremely high temperatures in recent weeks. On Monday the capital, Delhi, saw its highest ever June temperature of 48C. In Rajasthan, the city of Churu recently experienced highs of 50.8C, making it the hottest place on the planet.

Further south, less than 250 miles from the country’s commercial capital, Mumbai, village after village lies deserted. Estimates suggest up to 90% of the area’s population has fled, leaving the sick and elderly to fend for themselves in the face of a water crisis that shows no sign of abating.

The village of Hatkarwadi, about 20 miles from Beed in Maharashtra state, is almost completely deserted.

Wells and handpumps have run dry in the 45C heatwave. The drought, which officials say is worse than the 1972 famine that affected 25 million people across the state, began early in December. By the end of May, Hatkarwadi had been deserted with only 10-15 families remaining out of a population of more than 2,000.

With 80% of districts in neighbouring Karnataka and 72% in Maharashtra hit by drought and crop failure, the 8 million farmers in these two states are struggling to survive. More than 6,000 tankers supply water to villages and hamlets in Maharashtra daily, as conflict brews between the two states over common water resources.

The acute water shortage has devastated villagers’ agriculture-based livelihood. Crops have withered and died, leaving livestock starving and with little to drink. Major crops, including maize, soya, cotton, sweet lime, pulses and groundnuts – drivers of the local economy – have suffered.

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In Marathwada, by many estimates the Indian region most affected by drought, increasingly frequent droughts have led to more than 4,700 farmer suicides in the last five years, including 947 last year. That crisis has deepened. In the city of Beed, clean drinking water has run out and households do not have enough water to wash clothes, clean dishes or flush the toilet. Hospitals are filling up with people suffering from dehydration – and gastrointestinal disease from drinking contaminated water.

Residents who can afford it pay private water tankers the equivalent of £3 for 1,000 litres of water. Many end up in hospital as a result – even cows refuse to drink the muddy and salty liquid that has been dredged from the bottom of exhausted dams and lakes in the region.

“Over the last one-and-half months, there has been a 50% rise in the number of patients suffering from diarrhoea, gastritis etc,” said Sandeep Deshmukh, a doctor at the Beed Civil hospital.

He blamed contamination for the rise in water-borne diseases. “We have appealed to the people to boil drinking water,” Deshmukh said.

For many of the district’s population of 2.2 million, of which 240,000 live in Beed itself, their day starts by searching for water from borewells. Others have to plead with their neighbours for water.

Usha Jadhav who lives in nearby Shivajinagar, said her family does not use the toilet any more as it has become an unaffordable luxury, and that women wait for the darkness of night to defecate in the open. “We cannot use 5-10 litres of water for flushing as we have to purchase water,” she said.

By the end of May, 43% of India was experiencing drought, with failed monsoon rains seen as the primary reason. The country has seen widespread drought every year since 2015, with the exception of 2017.

About 20,000 villages in the state of Maharashtra are grappling with a severe drinking water crisis, with no water left in 35 major dams. In 1,000 smaller dams, water levels are below 8%. The rivers that feed the dams have been transformed into barren, cracked earth.


Faced with such terrifying portents, the second-largest country on earth -- and a culture wedded to its place on earth as so little else has -- may have to reckon not only with the sort of mass dislocations no country on earth (and certainly not India) has the resources to efficiently organize, but with imminent dissolution; surely the BJP can't govern from a sliver of a once-bountiful land, now sapped dry with lifeless deserts and the remnants of once-bustling cities.

What do you think will happen during the next few decades with future generations of Indians? Should the world, itself now racked by tribalist crises, extend a helping hand to the inevitable hordes of fleeing migrants that will seek refuge from the searing heat? Or should it leave some behind, and why?

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Postby Flawless Walruses » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:05 pm

May we have a link to your source article?
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:08 pm

Flawless Walruses wrote:May we have a link to your source article?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ds-to-flee
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Postby The Snazzylands » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:16 pm

God, this is horrible. Maybe desalinizing sea water and population control could mitigate some of the damage. But those are really expensive and take a long time to implement, and you'd have to pay to transport all that water too. I don't see a solution being found here without international cooperation.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:24 pm

The Snazzylands wrote:God, this is horrible. Maybe desalinizing sea water and population control could mitigate some of the damage. But those are really expensive and take a long time to implement, and you'd have to pay to transport all that water too. I don't see a solution being found here without international cooperation.


Nothing but international cooperation will mitigate the worst effects of climate change in the short term (ie preventing a mass dieoff), and ihis sort of cooperation necessarily entails the migration of millions, even entire countries' worth of people in dizzyingly short periods of time.

"Migration" being a toxic topic in much of the world as of late...

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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:28 pm

"Climate change" is just spam spammed by the left to force socialism, because they WILL say that EVERYTHING FUN will destroy the environment and cause "bad weather". Even if it IS causing bad weather, I would enjoy storms WAY more than I do sunshine. Besides, I HAVE choked my chicken to my own drawings of Tornado Girls.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:30 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:"Climate change" is just spam spammed by the left to force socialism, because they WILL say that EVERYTHING FUN will destroy the environment and cause "bad weather". Even if it IS causing bad weather, I would enjoy storms WAY more than I do sunshine. Besides, I HAVE choked my chicken to my own drawings of Tornado Girls.


... have you even read the OP?

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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:"Climate change" is just spam spammed by the left to force socialism, because they WILL say that EVERYTHING FUN will destroy the environment and cause "bad weather". Even if it IS causing bad weather, I would enjoy storms WAY more than I do sunshine. Besides, I HAVE choked my chicken to my own drawings of Tornado Girls.


... have you even read the OP?

I think this might actually be naturally occuring, if it even happens. If Man-Made Climate Change really IS happening and it's gonna DESTROY "MUH HUMANITY", then I unironically want humanity to go extinct.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote: Even if it IS causing bad weather, I would enjoy storms WAY more than I do sunshine..

You won’t be enjoying it if kills you or causes you severe bodily harm, that wouldn’t be so enjoyable.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Regarding Delhi.....isn't the city located around the banks of the Yamuna river? I'm sure the river could do something to help, except if the water sources in the Himalayas run out.
Edited: Oh well, the river is heavily polluted. More costs to go, I guess.

Chennai is a coastal city. Theorically, building some desalinization plants could help some of the problems, but I don't know much about the situation.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:46 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:Regarding Delhi.....isn't the city located around the banks of the Yamuna river? I'm sure the river could do something to help, except if the water sources in the Himalayas run out.

Chennai is a coastal city. Theorically, building some desalinization plants could help some of the problems, but I don't know much about the situation.


From Wikipedia:
One official described the river as a "sewage drain" with biochemical oxygen demand (BOD) values ranging from 14 to 28 mg/l and high coliform content. There are three main sources of pollution in the river: household and municipal disposal sites, soil erosion resulting from deforestation occurring to make way for agriculture, and resulting chemical wash-off from fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides and run-off from commercial activity and industrial sites.

In other words, not what you or I would call safe drinking water. And when the groundwater runs out, they'll have no major water source to rely on than an already polluted Yamuna. Furthermore, with the monsoons decreasing and becoming more erratic, you'd expect the Yamunotri glacier to be able to provide less water for a sudden surge of people.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:48 pm

Duhon wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Regarding Delhi.....isn't the city located around the banks of the Yamuna river? I'm sure the river could do something to help, except if the water sources in the Himalayas run out.

Chennai is a coastal city. Theorically, building some desalinization plants could help some of the problems, but I don't know much about the situation.


From Wikipedia:
One official described the river as a "sewage drain" with biochemical oxygen demand (BOD) values ranging from 14 to 28 mg/l and high coliform content. There are three main sources of pollution in the river: household and municipal disposal sites, soil erosion resulting from deforestation occurring to make way for agriculture, and resulting chemical wash-off from fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides and run-off from commercial activity and industrial sites.

In other words, not what you or I would call safe drinking water. And when the groundwater runs out, they'll have no major water source to rely on than an already polluted Yamuna. Furthermore, with the monsoons decreasing and becoming more erratic, you'd expect the Yamunotri glacier to be able to provide less water for a sudden surge of people.

Agreed, I just read the article (and therefore edited my post). The heavily polluted river isn't going to help.

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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote: Even if it IS causing bad weather, I would enjoy storms WAY more than I do sunshine..

You won’t be enjoying it if kills you or causes you severe bodily harm, that wouldn’t be so enjoyable.

I don't care! I ENJOY death and severe bodily harm! That's why I want my McNukes! So that I can test them on myself!
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:50 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You won’t be enjoying it if kills you or causes you severe bodily harm, that wouldn’t be so enjoyable.

I don't care! I ENJOY death and severe bodily harm! That's why I want my McNukes! So that I can test them on myself!


Troll elsewhere.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:07 pm

Build desalinization plants ASAP and pipe the water to inland cities.
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:11 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:I don't care! I ENJOY death and severe bodily harm! That's why I want my McNukes! So that I can test them on myself!


Troll elsewhere.

I was unironically, actually. Besides, I'm AnCap.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:13 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Troll elsewhere.

I was unironically, actually. Besides, I'm AnCap.


What happened to being an Integralist lol
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Nilrahrarfan wrote:I was unironically, actually. Besides, I'm AnCap.


What happened to being an Integralist lol

I decided to switch it AGAIN, and become AnCap AGAIN. Don't worry, I'll probably become an integralist in my sleep before waking up as a Nazi.
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Postby Duhon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:16 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Build desalinization plants ASAP and pipe the water to inland cities.


That will not abate the agricultural problen. Or the searing heat.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Duhon wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Build desalinization plants ASAP and pipe the water to inland cities.


That will not abate the agricultural problen. Or the searing heat.

How will more water not abate a agricultural problem?
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Duhon wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Build desalinization plants ASAP and pipe the water to inland cities.


That will not abate the agricultural problen. Or the searing heat.

India also should regulate on how to dispose its pollution properly, so at least their major rivers like the Ganges can be used to help mitigate the problem. But it's hard, if you are just a developing country with tons of problems and a population of a billion, since surely the problem of pollution disposal may be not in your first mind to take care of.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:38 pm

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
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What happened to being an Integralist lol

I decided to switch it AGAIN, and become AnCap AGAIN. Don't worry, I'll probably become an integralist in my sleep before waking up as a Nazi.

I mean, it sounds like you're just randomly switching between vaguely edgy ideologies in an effort to be shocking and contrarian.

But cheering for the death of millions isn't shocking or impressive, it's just cringy and juvenile.
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I've been saying this for years.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:51 pm

I also heard about 40% of India potentially becoming uninhabitable within the next few decades.

Honestly, I think humanity has crossed the Rubicon with regard to climate change: what we humans really need to do is to try and limit the impacts of climate change on our land, but considering such a thing requires massive international cooperation, and many people are no longer really willing to do it, I think that the fate of all of humanity, including India, has been sealed.

And it's not going to be the happy optimistic Star Trek-style future.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:39 am

Meanwhile the US president insists that climate change isn't real, and cheers on coal miners (in a country where 3 times more workers instal solar panels than mine coal).

We really are hurtling headlong towards the worst timeline.
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