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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:18 pm
by Free Arabian Nation
Rojava Free State wrote:I love when they leave one in my hotel room. It's very considerate of the hotel staff to give me a free ash tray for my cigarettes :clap:

You really shouldn't do that...

Smoking is bad for you.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:18 pm
by Rojava Free State
Geneviev wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Nothing happens without God willing it, as the dogma goes. Absolutely nothing. No matter how absolutely inhumane and vicious a deed is, the fact that it happened means that God allowed it to happen.

God allows people to sin, but that doesn't make it right.


God once killed millions of first born Egyptians because one guy said no to the Israelites leaving. It doesn't make him right

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:18 pm
by Rastrian
Geneviev wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:That's what Stalin's government said, but it was a cold comfort to those perishing in the Gulag Archipel.

That's not what God does, though.

According to your book, it is. The same book that christians want in hotel rooms.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:19 pm
by The New California Republic
Neutraligon wrote:For small hotel rooms with not a lot of "closet space" they annoy since they take up room.

...

...how fucking big are the Bibles that you have seen in hotel rooms? :unsure:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:19 pm
by Rojava Free State
Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I love when they leave one in my hotel room. It's very considerate of the hotel staff to give me a free ash tray for my cigarettes :clap:

You really shouldn't do that...

Smoking is bad for you.


I've been trying to quit just like the time I quit that one drug H.

Not heroin. The Hebrew bible

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:20 pm
by The New California Republic
Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I love when they leave one in my hotel room. It's very considerate of the hotel staff to give me a free ash tray for my cigarettes :clap:

You really shouldn't do that...

Smoking is bad for you.

Plus the thing is flammable...

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:21 pm
by Hurdergaryp
Korhal IVV wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Are there people that complain about this? Most people just ignore the thing, including Christians considering that they’ll either have their own bible or the bible app.


I’m a non-believer and even I have to say your theology is absolute crap.

It is so crappy that calling it crap is an insult to the worst of heretics.

Sarcasm is clearly wasted on you people, but what else is new?
Geneviev wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Nothing happens without God willing it, as the dogma goes. Absolutely nothing. No matter how absolutely inhumane and vicious a deed is, the fact that it happened means that God allowed it to happen.

God allows people to sin, but that doesn't make it right.

Which means, given God's omnipotence and omniscience, that He isn't right. How could a Perfect Being allow His Creation to be so utterly inferior? The answer is that God is inept, imperfect, and nothing more than a meme generated and maintained by desperate human minds during dozens of centuries.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:21 pm
by Rojava Free State
The New California Republic wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:For small hotel rooms with not a lot of "closet space" they annoy since they take up room.

...

...how fucking big are the Bibles that you have seen in hotel rooms? :unsure:


Tfw the hotel owner is so religious that he stuffs a 10 foot tall bible in the closet and upon opening the door it falls on you.

You could call it the holy terror

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:22 pm
by Kowani
Geneviev wrote:
Arcanda wrote:It's not disrespectful not to put the other books. I feel like people are too concerned with making a point for the sake of making a point in this debate. Because then, which religions are "major" and which are not? What about atheists and Pastafarians? Etc...

It could just be the most common religions in that country.

Yeah, that’s helpful-oh, wait. There are different kinds of Christians, and they don’t all have the same bible!

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:23 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang
Saves me from having to carry one, so I approve.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:23 pm
by Geneviev
Rastrian wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not what God does, though.

According to your book, it is. The same book that christians want in hotel rooms.

It doesn't say that. And most people don't pay attention to the Bibles in hotel rooms anyway.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:29 pm
by Ors Might
Hurdergaryp wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:It is so crappy that calling it crap is an insult to the worst of heretics.

Sarcasm is clearly wasted on you people, but what else is new?
Geneviev wrote:God allows people to sin, but that doesn't make it right.

Which means, given God's omnipotence and omniscience, that He isn't right. How could a Perfect Being allow His Creation to be so utterly inferior? The answer is that God is inept, imperfect, and nothing more than a meme generated and maintained by desperate human minds during dozens of centuries.

And what was supposed to indicate it being sarcasm instead of someone being a dick towards a belief system and it’s adherents?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:30 pm
by The New California Republic
Rojava Free State wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...

...how fucking big are the Bibles that you have seen in hotel rooms? :unsure:


Tfw the hotel owner is so religious that he stuffs a 10 foot tall bible in the closet and upon opening the door it falls on you.

You could call it the holy terror

I mean I have seen large print Bibles before, but I think that'd be overkill. :lol2:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:33 pm
by Korhal IVV
Rastrian wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not what God does, though.

According to your book, it is. The same book that christians want in hotel rooms.

Nope.

It is more like someone calling to someone else idiotically walking towards a cliff.

Rojava Free State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:God allows people to sin, but that doesn't make it right.


God once killed millions of first born Egyptians because one guy said no to the Israelites leaving. It doesn't make him right

Lmao 50% of Egypt are firstborns then?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:46 pm
by Free Arabian Nation
The New California Republic wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Tfw the hotel owner is so religious that he stuffs a 10 foot tall bible in the closet and upon opening the door it falls on you.

You could call it the holy terror

I mean I have seen large print Bibles before, but I think that'd be overkill. :lol2:

Every verse is its own page

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:47 pm
by Rastrian
Geneviev wrote:
Rastrian wrote:According to your book, it is. The same book that christians want in hotel rooms.

It doesn't say that. And most people don't pay attention to the Bibles in hotel rooms anyway.

In that case, it's useless being there anyway. Change of tune, but a welcome one.

Korhal IVV wrote:
Rastrian wrote:According to your book, it is. The same book that christians want in hotel rooms.

Nope.

It is more like someone calling to someone else idiotically walking towards a cliff.

God invented sin so that he could punish us for it. No, not really. Though again, theology.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:51 pm
by Korhal IVV
Rastrian wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It doesn't say that. And most people don't pay attention to the Bibles in hotel rooms anyway.

In that case, it's useless being there anyway. Change of tune, but a welcome one.

Korhal IVV wrote:Nope.

It is more like someone calling to someone else idiotically walking towards a cliff.

God invented sin so that he could punish us for it. No, not really. Though again, theology.

Evil is only the absence of good.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:55 pm
by Rastrian
Korhal IVV wrote:
Rastrian wrote:In that case, it's useless being there anyway. Change of tune, but a welcome one.


God invented sin so that he could punish us for it. No, not really. Though again, theology.

Evil is only the absence of good.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
-Isaiah 45:7

Even if that didn't explicitly say that God creates evil, it implies that evil is a tangible thing, not just the absence of something.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:00 pm
by Korhal IVV
Rastrian wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Evil is only the absence of good.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
-Isaiah 45:7

The Hebrew word there is “ra”. The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV).

The KJV, which is where you quoted this, was written in 1611, and when “evil” is spoken in this context, it is understood as natural disasters. That is why modern versions use “calamity” (NLT) instead of “evil”, in order to avoid confusion in modern ears. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is punishment for disobedience, not bringing moral evil to existence.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:04 pm
by Cekoviu
Hotels rejected Jesus's parents; why shouldn't he reject them? The Bibles in hotel rooms should rise up and bite the unjust masters who control them.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:04 pm
by San Lumen
Cekoviu wrote:Hotels rejected Jesus's parents; why shouldn't he reject them? The Bibles in hotel rooms should rise up and bite the unjust masters who control them.

what?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:06 pm
by Neutraligon
The New California Republic wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:For small hotel rooms with not a lot of "closet space" they annoy since they take up room.

...

...how fucking big are the Bibles that you have seen in hotel rooms? :unsure:

It is more that I have been in tiny hotel rooms.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:07 pm
by Cekoviu
San Lumen wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Hotels rejected Jesus's parents; why shouldn't he reject them? The Bibles in hotel rooms should rise up and bite the unjust masters who control them.

what?

I think this is a good model to go off of.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:08 pm
by The New California Republic
Neutraligon wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...

...how fucking big are the Bibles that you have seen in hotel rooms? :unsure:

It is more that I have been in tiny hotel rooms.

They must have been small if a book measuring a few inches takes up too much room. :lol2:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:10 pm
by Farnhamia
Korhal IVV wrote:
Rastrian wrote:"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
-Isaiah 45:7

The Hebrew word there is “ra”. The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV).

The KJV, which is where you quoted this, was written in 1611, and when “evil” is spoken in this context, it is understood as natural disasters. That is why modern versions use “calamity” (NLT) instead of “evil”, in order to avoid confusion in modern ears. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is punishment for disobedience, not bringing moral evil to existence.

Let's not drift away into a theological discussion, shall we?

There are Bibles in hotel rooms in over 200 countries, territories and possessions, at a rate of about two Bibles per second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideons_International