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Do you support or object to Bibles in hotel rooms?

I support it
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I object
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I have no opinion
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I support it but there should be other religious books too.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.

Especially apt on fathers day.


Hey man, I can't say that I blame people who want to bash babies into the ground. Just those who do it for religious reasons.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:19 pm

Kernen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not quite true, but okay.


I've read it, and the Bible doesn't encourage genocide. Even the Old Testament isn't that bad.



Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.


And even if it didn’t the god of the Old Testament was distinctly tribalistic, ordering some rules on slavery for Jewish men while ordering different ones for non Jews. And then there is the blatant sexism and absolutely disgusting laws about rape and working on the Sabbeth.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kernen wrote:

Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.


And even if it didn’t the god of the Old Testament was distinctly tribalistic, ordering some rules on slavery for Jewish men while ordering different ones for non Jews. And then there is the blatant sexism and absolutely disgusting laws about rape and working on the Sabbeth.


I was halfway through a long post listing my favorite hateful bible verses, but I was worried I was getting off topic.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:21 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not quite true, but okay.


I've read it, and the Bible doesn't encourage genocide. Even the Old Testament isn't that bad.

Uh... yes it did. What do you think was happening when god killed all the first born, or when he ordered the Israelites to kill an entire group, including all the children.

The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.

Kernen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not quite true, but okay.


I've read it, and the Bible doesn't encourage genocide. Even the Old Testament isn't that bad.



Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.

Here's an explanation of that verse.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:22 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kernen wrote:

Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.

Especially apt on fathers day.

The psalm is talking about Babylon and those people were mean to the Israelites. I don't know why people have such a problem with the South Shore. One of my father's cousins had a summer home there, it was a weird and wonderful place to a small child.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:23 pm

Kernen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Especially apt on fathers day.


Hey man, I can't say that I blame people who want to bash babies into the ground. Just those who do it for religious reasons.

It was payback to the sodomites for the desecration of Jerusalem and driving the people to Babylon. Especially when their captors are tormenting you for a song on the way.

Who wouldnt say, " fuck you, you motherfucking fuck, I am going to kill you and every last one of your motherfucking children you stupid motherfucking fuck"
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:24 pm

Kernen wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
And even if it didn’t the god of the Old Testament was distinctly tribalistic, ordering some rules on slavery for Jewish men while ordering different ones for non Jews. And then there is the blatant sexism and absolutely disgusting laws about rape and working on the Sabbeth.


I was halfway through a long post listing my favorite hateful bible verses, but I was worried I was getting off topic.

Not acting as a mod, I just think that if you are going to make a comparison between putting me in Kampf and the Bible you should support that the two can be compared since many will claim that they can’t. That being said it can be taken too far.
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Postby Kernen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:25 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Uh... yes it did. What do you think was happening when god killed all the first born, or when he ordered the Israelites to kill an entire group, including all the children.

The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.

Kernen wrote:

Then you've drunk their vile kool-aid.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Genocide.

Here's an explanation of that verse.

That it's poetic violence and hate doesn't make it less than, y'know, hate. There's also the great ones about stoning homosexual men, allowing women to remain bound in slavery if they don't please their male masters, and a lot of killing unbelievers because how dare they?

Christianity treats transgender and homosexual people as second class citizens, and often treat women as badly. Its plenty hateful. My loved ones have scars, actual and poetical, from Biblicaly-generated hated.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Since you've reposted this, I'm going to repost my response to the original.

There's a huge difference between Mein Kampf and a religious book.[/quote]
That depends on where you’re standing.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:27 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Especially apt on fathers day.

The psalm is talking about Babylon and those people were mean to the Israelites. I don't know why people have such a problem with the South Shore. One of my father's cousins had a summer home there, it was a weird and wonderful place to a small child.

When moving on the companies dime, we almost did move to long beach.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:27 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Personally I'd like it if Qur'ans were in hotels as well as Bibles.

That actually sounds fantastic, as much a Catholic as I am. But I do not think hotels would bother with the extra money. Then again, they do spend all that on bibles so it must not be too pricey
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Uh... yes it did. What do you think was happening when god killed all the first born, or when he ordered the Israelites to kill an entire group, including all the children.

The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.
god is all powerful, he had no need to kill the first born, particularly since many would have been infants and so no threat to the Jews. What he did was still a genicide. The nazis would claim the same thing about being at war with the Jews. War does not justify genocide. It is interesting that you basically admitted to the genocide though.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:29 pm

Kernen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Mein Kampf is definitely hateful, but no religion is like that.

I see you've lived a blessed life not being on Christianity's hit list.

You're really never gonna get the moral high ground when your sig states in big red letters that you're a bad person who hates society
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:29 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Personally I'd like it if Qur'ans were in hotels as well as Bibles.

That actually sounds fantastic, as much a Catholic as I am. But I do not think hotels would bother with the extra money. Then again, they do spend all that on bibles so it must not be too pricey

They do not spend it on bibles. The Bible’s are donated to the hotels.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:30 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.
god is all powerful, he had no need to kill the first born, particularly since many would have been infants and so no threat to the Jews. What he did was still a genicide. The nazis would claim the same thing about being at war with the Jews. War does not justify genocide. It is interesting that you basically admitted to the genocide though.

The edomites were genocide, the Egyptians not so much, they all were not being killed.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:30 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.
god is all powerful, he had no need to kill the first born, particularly since many would have been infants and so no threat to the Jews. What he did was still a genicide. The nazis would claim the same thing about being at war with the Jews. War does not justify genocide. It is interesting that you basically admitted to the genocide though.

God gave the Egyptians, like, a million warnings.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:30 pm

Kernen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The first was to defend his chosen people, and the second was war.


Here's an explanation of that verse.

That it's poetic violence and hate doesn't make it less than, y'know, hate. There's also the great ones about stoning homosexual men, allowing women to remain bound in slavery if they don't please their male masters, and a lot of killing unbelievers because how dare they?

Christianity treats transgender and homosexual people as second class citizens, and often treat women as badly. Its plenty hateful. My loved ones have scars, actual and poetical, from Biblicaly-generated hated.

The New Testament replaced some aspects of the law in the Old Testament, including the killing and all of that. I'm really sorry for Christians who believe that the Bible allows hatred. Those people misunderstand Christianity.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:31 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
Kernen wrote:I see you've lived a blessed life not being on Christianity's hit list.

You're really never gonna get the moral high ground when your sig states in big red letters that you're a bad person who hates society

Yes, it's much better to imply it through years of subtle badness. Silly Kernen.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Hatterleigh wrote:That actually sounds fantastic, as much a Catholic as I am. But I do not think hotels would bother with the extra money. Then again, they do spend all that on bibles so it must not be too pricey

They do not spend it on bibles. The Bible’s are donated to the hotels.

Well then it seems the problem is lack of muslims donating to hotels. Not much you can do about that, there just aint much muslims in the US compared to christian
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:32 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kernen wrote:That it's poetic violence and hate doesn't make it less than, y'know, hate. There's also the great ones about stoning homosexual men, allowing women to remain bound in slavery if they don't please their male masters, and a lot of killing unbelievers because how dare they?

Christianity treats transgender and homosexual people as second class citizens, and often treat women as badly. Its plenty hateful. My loved ones have scars, actual and poetical, from Biblicaly-generated hated.

The New Testament replaced some aspects of the law in the Old Testament, including the killing and all of that. I'm really sorry for Christians who believe that the Bible allows hatred. Those people misunderstand Christianity.

Whether Christianity as a whole incites hatred is another topic altogether. But the relevant point was that the Bible itself does contain horrific content comparable to some parts of Mein Kampf, even if the church does not now endorse it (much in the way that Germany is no longer pro-Nazi).
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:32 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:They do not spend it on bibles. The Bible’s are donated to the hotels.

Well then it seems the problem is lack of muslims donating to hotels. Not much you can do about that, there just aint much muslims in the US compared to christian

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:33 pm

Kernen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:There's a huge difference between Mein Kampf and a religious book.

I dunno, they both seem equally hateful to me.


Mein Kampf, a book where the Jews are the bad guys and the non Jews are the good guys

The bible, a book where Jews are the good guys and non Jews are the bad guys

No matter which one you read, someone is being demonized and dehumanized
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Postby Kernen » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:33 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kernen wrote:That it's poetic violence and hate doesn't make it less than, y'know, hate. There's also the great ones about stoning homosexual men, allowing women to remain bound in slavery if they don't please their male masters, and a lot of killing unbelievers because how dare they?

Christianity treats transgender and homosexual people as second class citizens, and often treat women as badly. Its plenty hateful. My loved ones have scars, actual and poetical, from Biblicaly-generated hated.

The New Testament replaced some aspects of the law in the Old Testament, including the killing and all of that. I'm really sorry for Christians who believe that the Bible allows hatred. Those people misunderstand Christianity.


And yet it happened under the banner of your god.

Claiming that christians who do bad things don't understand christianity is a hell of a No True Scotsman cop-out. They read the same book you do and they get these "misunderstood" interpretations. Consistently. And you're gonna tell me that book has squat to do with it?

I'll call that bluff.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:34 pm

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Pacomia wrote:Put the book of pastafarianism in hotel rooms

^ This.

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Postby Kannap » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:34 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Personally I'd like it if Qur'ans were in hotels as well as Bibles.

That actually sounds fantastic, as much a Catholic as I am. But I do not think hotels would bother with the extra money. Then again, they do spend all that on bibles so it must not be too pricey


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