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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain

might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:58 pm

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It is not just because some in the administration might want that.
A sudden massive increase in a very different type they were used to, funded and trained for really as happened.
And you clearly line out in the law what they can and cannot do. And what they are required to do. Congress can pass a law saying you get more money but cannot do x and must do y instead.

But that would be Congress actually doing its job. :rofl:


2018 saw the largest amount of border apprehensions since, *checks notes* 2014.

The idea that there's an unprecedently massive group of people crossing the border is, quite simply, counterfactual. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/62224681 ... ree-graphs


Dude, we have been over that. The numbers there go out to 2017.
It is much different now. 144,000 we apprehended just last month.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:59 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain

might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle


Safe occupancy limits are a conspiracy clearly.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:02 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain

might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle

Might that be because huge numbers of migrants are arriving?

Might it be because they need more funding for facilities?

Nah, that's too reasonable.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:02 pm

“Republicans have repeatedly referred to a border crisis at the southern edge of the country, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection data indeed shows a dramatic shift in recent months.”
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/st ... sing-clai/

So please stop with the class that because crossings were down in 2017 they are not high now.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]
Senkaku wrote:might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle


Safe occupancy limits are a conspiracy clearly.


And when a surge happens and the capacity limit is reached, then what? Leave people chained to a pole out back until a room is available at the local Holiday Inn?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:03 pm

Novus America wrote:“Republicans have repeatedly referred to a border crisis at the southern edge of the country, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection data indeed shows a dramatic shift in recent months.”
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/st ... sing-clai/

So please stop with the class that because crossings were down in 2017 they are not high now.

Recent data is just a conspiracy theory.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]

Safe occupancy limits are a conspiracy clearly.


And when a surge happens and the capacity limit is reached, then what? Leave people chained to a pole out back until a room is available at the local Holiday Inn?

No, we're supposed to let them run free in the country.

Effectively, we aren't supposed to detain people.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain

might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle

The jail cells being full doesn't mean that the police should stop arresting murderers.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:06 pm

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Eh, I think Trump should have just shut his yap and just took the money sans physical barriers.

It wasn't just because of the wall. The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain, something that would have handicapped ICE which they fucking knew perfectly well Trump would never support.

At this point, trying to act like this is all Trump and the Repub's fault is just a lie.


Maybe to prevent overcrowding and usage of camps like this.

It isn't all Trump and the Repub's fault, some of the blame goes to the dems too.

It's just an all around fuck up.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:06 pm

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Senkaku wrote:might this perhaps be because they seem to have detained more people than they can handle

The jail cells being full doesn't mean that the police should stop arresting murderers.

The TSA didn't stop working when the government was shut down.

It's almost as if government agencies aren't supposed to suddenly stop doing their jobs just because circumstances change.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:08 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:It wasn't just because of the wall. The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain, something that would have handicapped ICE which they fucking knew perfectly well Trump would never support.

At this point, trying to act like this is all Trump and the Repub's fault is just a lie.


Maybe to prevent overcrowding and usage of camps like this.

It isn't all Trump and the Repub's fault, some of the blame goes to the dems too.

It's just an all around fuck up.

They were providing funding for better facilities.

Why fund better facilities while simultaneously limiting the amount of people ICE can detain?

It's idiot logic.
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Postby Pyta » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:08 pm

surprising that you start detaining more people when you start detaining people who are trying to legally enter the country.

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:08 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:It wasn't just because of the wall. The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain, something that would have handicapped ICE which they fucking knew perfectly well Trump would never support.

At this point, trying to act like this is all Trump and the Repub's fault is just a lie.


Maybe to prevent overcrowding and usage of camps like this.

It isn't all Trump and the Repub's fault, some of the blame goes to the dems too.

It's just an all around fuck up.


That it is an all around fuck up by both parties is absolutely true.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:08 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]

Safe occupancy limits are a conspiracy clearly.


And when a surge happens and the capacity limit is reached, then what? Leave people chained to a pole out back until a room is available at the local Holiday Inn?


Nah. You just jam them into overcrowded facilities and hope for the best. After all, they're only brown people, not really people at all when you think about it. And they're coming from a place that sucks so they're probably used to privation. It's not a humanitarian crisis at all.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
And when a surge happens and the capacity limit is reached, then what? Leave people chained to a pole out back until a room is available at the local Holiday Inn?

No, we're supposed to let them run free in the country.

Effectively, we aren't supposed to detain people.


Or you could improve and streamline the process to move people out of these facilities to create spaces faster. Maybe bring in a private company to manage it all as the private sector is always better than the government at everything.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
And when a surge happens and the capacity limit is reached, then what? Leave people chained to a pole out back until a room is available at the local Holiday Inn?


Nah. You just jam them into overcrowded facilities and hope for the best. After all, they're only brown people, not really people at all when you think about it. And they're coming from a place that sucks so they're probably used to privation. It's not a humanitarian crisis at all.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:12 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nah. You just jam them into overcrowded facilities and hope for the best. After all, they're only brown people, not really people at all when you think about it. And they're coming from a place that sucks so they're probably used to privation. It's not a humanitarian crisis at all.

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Why would I need a spade? I don't do manual labour, I'm not a Mexican.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:12 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nah. You just jam them into overcrowded facilities and hope for the best. After all, they're only brown people, not really people at all when you think about it. And they're coming from a place that sucks so they're probably used to privation. It's not a humanitarian crisis at all.

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An actual argument would serve him better then a shovel at this point.

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Nova Cyberia wrote:
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Why would I need a spade? I don't do manual labour, I'm not a Mexican.


You can leave the racism at the door, it doesn't look well on you.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:13 pm

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Why would I need a spade? I don't do manual labour, I'm not a Mexican.

I'd imagine to keep shoveling words in the man's mouth.

Fart, your bait is weak. You lack coherent points. All you have is pathetic appeal to emotion and claims of racism.

Your debating skills are inadequate.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:14 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Maybe to prevent overcrowding and usage of camps like this.

It isn't all Trump and the Repub's fault, some of the blame goes to the dems too.

It's just an all around fuck up.

They were providing funding for better facilities.

Why fund better facilities while simultaneously limiting the amount of people ICE can detain?

It's idiot logic.


Those new facilities have to have a cap on those people and wouldn't be completed as soon as the bill was signed.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:16 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:They were providing funding for better facilities.

Why fund better facilities while simultaneously limiting the amount of people ICE can detain?

It's idiot logic.


Those new facilities have to have a cap on those people and wouldn't be completed as soon as the bill was signed.

That might be a good point if the limit was temporary until the facilities were built.

Unfortunately, it was not.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:16 pm

Pyta wrote:surprising that you start detaining more people when you start detaining people who are trying to legally enter the country.

Showing up a a port of entry and telling the nice customs officer "Hi, I'm here to apply for asylum!" doesn't earn you a free pass to wander around the country.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:17 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why would I need a spade? I don't do manual labour, I'm not a Mexican.

I'd imagine to keep shoveling words in the man's mouth.

Fart, your bait is weak. You lack coherent points. All you have is pathetic appeal to emotion and claims of racism.

Your debating skills are inadequate.


If you're going to go down that route then you at least have to link this.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:18 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'd imagine to keep shoveling words in the man's mouth.

Fart, your bait is weak. You lack coherent points. All you have is pathetic appeal to emotion and claims of racism.

Your debating skills are inadequate.


If you're going to go down that route then you at least have to link this.

And your humor is bad too. Good grief.
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