Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You're right.

Which is why ICE and CBP need more funding so they can have better fetention facilities.

usually when someone abuses their power and causes a bad outcome, the solution is not to say "oh, well if you had even more power, we could treat a few symptoms of the terrible thing you've caused while letting the underlying problem continue"?? In this case the symptom being 40 Centigrade heat and the problem being the fact that thousands of people, especially small children, are being kept in concentration camps..?

There is no question that both ICE and CBP should also have massive reforms sense they thought that this place with no air conditioning was a good idea in the first place.

If I where them, I would just bought a bunch of cheap RV's with AC and just use that instead of this dumb camp.

it wouldn't be able to house as many but it would do it humanly.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

My dude
15- 20 degrees Celsius is warm
25- 30 degrees Celsius is hot
40 degrees Celsius is insane.

People that work outdoors in 30 degree heat normally get sent home beacuse of the worry of heat stroke.

Fans just blow hot air at you at that point.

You're right.

Which is why ICE and CBP need more funding so they can have better fetention facilities.

Indeed. However, the current administration seems to have absolutely no interest in that and instead want a big “fuck off” wall and don’t care about anything else. Tbh, I think the Trump admin want to make the detention facility conditions as inhumane as possible as a fucked up extremely callous deterrent to illegal immigration.

[Senkaku]

please expand on this fascinating line of thonkery lol

First, they let Migrants who don't have a good criminal record run willy-nilly in America. Then, the criminals elect a president that doesn't know what he's doing and is only there as Saudi Arabia's puppet. Soon after, the president starts arresting those that question the Saudi and MSM narratives. Eventually, we'll be left with "reverse apartheid": Natives are oppressed by illegal immigrants and Saudi loyalists. Is that what you want?!

actually I'm going to subvert expectations and say yes

usually when someone abuses their power and causes a bad outcome, the solution is not to say "oh, well if you had even more power, we could treat a few symptoms of the terrible thing you've caused while letting the underlying problem continue"?? In this case the symptom being 40 Centigrade heat and the problem being the fact that thousands of people, especially small children, are being kept in concentration camps..?

Its not a deliberate abuse of power.

This becomes harder and harder to believe the more that comes out about what's going on in these camps- disease, sexual abuse, et cetera, and the administration's view that they and the child separation policy are serving as "deterrents."

They literally do not have the resources to deal with all the migrants.

If this were true and it really were just that the poor good-hearted people at ICE simply couldn't care for all their valued customers, then maybe they should, I dunno, stop arresting more and more people, and focus on dealing with the ones in their custody and caring for them adequately, instead of going the "Andersonville-for-tots" approach so they can keep vacuuming people up faster than they can get rid of them?

[Vassenor]

Its not a deliberate abuse of power. They literally do not have the resources to deal with all the migrants.

Yes, and it will be easier in the long run to send them back. They just are doing the BARE MINIMUM they can so that the Saudi Royal Family of puppet masters don't get upset, while still doing the best they can to protect natives.

So migration is a Saudi conspiracy now? Got actual proof for that claim?

[Novus America]

You're right.

Which is why ICE and CBP need more funding so they can have better fetention facilities.

usually when someone abuses their power and causes a bad outcome, the solution is not to say "oh, well if you had even more power, we could treat a few symptoms of the terrible thing you've caused while letting the underlying problem continue"?? In this case the symptom being 40 Centigrade heat and the problem being the fact that thousands of people, especially small children, are being kept in concentration camps..?

You are falsely assuming ICE and CBP are making things bad for the lols.
Which is simply not the case.

If they had proper funding and legal guidance they could do just fine.

[Senkaku]

You're right.

Which is why ICE and CBP need more funding so they can have better fetention facilities.

Indeed. However, the current administration seems to have absolutely no interest in that and instead want a big “fuck off” wall and don’t care about anything else. Tbh, I think the Trump admin want to make the detention facility conditions as inhumane as possible as a fucked up extremely callous deterrent to illegal immigration.

They've basically made that clear, yes- and ICE and CBP are going along with it, not saying "hmmm, well sir, our facilities are at capacity, so we'll need to wait on space to free up before we do more raids." Which means that the tragedies playing out in their camps are not, as Cyberia seems to desperately want to believe, just an unfortunate byproduct of a thin-stretched bureaucracy, but an active part of government policy that that bureaucracy is knowingly carrying out.

[Nova Cyberia]

First, they let Migrants who don't have a good criminal record run willy-nilly in America. Then, the criminals elect a president that doesn't know what he's doing and is only there as Saudi Arabia's puppet. Soon after, the president starts arresting those that question the Saudi and MSM narratives. Eventually, we'll be left with "reverse apartheid": Natives are oppressed by illegal immigrants and Saudi loyalists. Is that what you want?!

actually I'm going to subvert expectations and say yes

Its not a deliberate abuse of power.

This becomes harder and harder to believe the more that comes out about what's going on in these camps- disease, sexual abuse, et cetera, and the administration's view that they and the child separation policy are serving as "deterrents."

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. It's a fact, and you're just wrong.

They literally do not have the resources to deal with all the migrants.

If this were true and it really were just that the poor good-hearted people at ICE simply couldn't care for all their valued customers, then maybe they should, I dunno, stop arresting more and more people, and focus on dealing with the ones in their custody and caring for them adequately, instead of going the "Andersonville-for-tots" approach so they can keep vacuuming people up faster than they can get rid of them?

It's their job to arrest people who illegally cross the border. You're literally asking them not to do their jobs.

[Senkaku]

usually when someone abuses their power and causes a bad outcome, the solution is not to say "oh, well if you had even more power, we could treat a few symptoms of the terrible thing you've caused while letting the underlying problem continue"?? In this case the symptom being 40 Centigrade heat and the problem being the fact that thousands of people, especially small children, are being kept in concentration camps..?

You are falsely assuming ICE and CBP are making things bad for the lols.
Which is simply not the case.

You're right-- they're making things bad because the administration wants to make things bad, because they want to deter people from crossing the border and frighten those who are already here. I never suggested they're just doing it for shits and giggles, there is certainly a demented logic to it all.

If they had proper funding and legal guidance they could do just fine.

The people in charge want conditions to be like this, because it serves their policy agenda. If you give them more funding and lawyers, they will just implement the same horrors we're seeing now on a larger scale.

[Nova Cyberia]

You're right.

Which is why ICE and CBP need more funding so they can have better fetention facilities.

Indeed. However, the current administration seems to have absolutely no interest in that and instead want a big “fuck off” wall and don’t care about anything else. Tbh, I think the Trump admin want to make the detention facility conditions as inhumane as possible as a fucked up extremely callous deterrent to illegal immigration.

They've been asking for more funding, fam. Unfortunately, the only funding the Dems were willing to provide came with strings attached that were meant to handicap ICE.

[Tornado Queendom]

Yes, and it will be easier in the long run to send them back. They just are doing the BARE MINIMUM they can so that the Saudi Royal Family of puppet masters don't get upset, while still doing the best they can to protect natives.

So migration is a Saudi conspiracy now? Got actual proof for that claim?

You see, the House of Saud rules everything. They are orchestrating the migrant crisis so that they can replace the native peoples (including whites and aboriginals, among other races.) with Saudi loyalists who will do their every bidding, and are using leftist parties as a guise. Under the hood, they're actually Pro-Saudi.

[Senkaku]

So migration is a Saudi conspiracy now? Got actual proof for that claim?

You see, the House of Saud rules everything. They are orchestrating the migrant crisis so that they can replace the native peoples (including whites and aboriginals, among other races.) with Saudi loyalists who will do their every bidding, and are using leftist parties as a guise. Under the hood, they're actually Pro-Saudi.

can confirm, am already planning post-AOC-coup-d'etat hookah party replete with sheikhs, hookers, and mountains of coke

[Tornado Queendom]

You see, the House of Saud rules everything. They are orchestrating the migrant crisis so that they can replace the native peoples (including whites and aboriginals, among other races.) with Saudi loyalists who will do their every bidding, and are using leftist parties as a guise. Under the hood, they're actually Pro-Saudi.

can confirm, am already planning post-AOC-coup-d'etat hookah party replete with sheikhs, hookers, and mountains of coke

Anyone who isn't a saudi loyalist (white men; black men; brown men; blue men; women of all races) WILL eventually be replaced by Saudi puppets, which I do NOT want. In my opinion, all of the middle east should be Israel's land. However, I respect your opinion if you believe otherwise.

[Vassenor]

can confirm, am already planning post-AOC-coup-d'etat hookah party replete with sheikhs, hookers, and mountains of coke

Anyone who isn't a saudi loyalist (white men; black men; brown men; blue men; women of all races) WILL eventually be replaced by Saudi puppets, which I do NOT want. In my opinion, all of the middle east should be Israel's land. However, I respect your opinion if you believe otherwise.

OK, that post reeks of tin foil.

[Novus America]

You are falsely assuming ICE and CBP are making things bad for the lols.
Which is simply not the case.

You're right-- they're making things bad because the administration wants to make things bad, because they want to deter people from crossing the border and frighten those who are already here. I never suggested they're just doing it for shits and giggles, there is certainly a demented logic to it all.

If they had proper funding and legal guidance they could do just fine.

The people in charge want conditions to be like this, because it serves their policy agenda. If you give them more funding and lawyers, they will just implement the same horrors we're seeing now on a larger scale.

It is not just because some in the administration might want that.
A sudden massive increase in a very different type they were used to, funded and trained for really as happened.
And you clearly line out in the law what they can and cannot do. And what they are required to do. Congress can pass a law saying you get more money but cannot do x and must do y instead.

But that would be Congress actually doing its job.

[Vassenor]

You're right-- they're making things bad because the administration wants to make things bad, because they want to deter people from crossing the border and frighten those who are already here. I never suggested they're just doing it for shits and giggles, there is certainly a demented logic to it all.


The people in charge want conditions to be like this, because it serves their policy agenda. If you give them more funding and lawyers, they will just implement the same horrors we're seeing now on a larger scale.

It is not just because some in the administration might want that.
A sudden massive increase in a very different type they were used to, funded and trained for really as happened.
And you clearly line out in the law what they can and cannot do. And what they are required to do. Congress can pass a law saying you get more money but cannot do x and must do y instead.

But that would be Congress actually doing its job.

They did do that. But because the funding was explicitly barred from being used to build the wall Trump had a tantrum and shut the government down.

[Novus America]

First, they let Migrants who don't have a good criminal record run willy-nilly in America. Then, the criminals elect a president that doesn't know what he's doing and is only there as Saudi Arabia's puppet. Soon after, the president starts arresting those that question the Saudi and MSM narratives. Eventually, we'll be left with "reverse apartheid": Natives are oppressed by illegal immigrants and Saudi loyalists. Is that what you want?!

actually I'm going to subvert expectations and say yes

Its not a deliberate abuse of power.

This becomes harder and harder to believe the more that comes out about what's going on in these camps- disease, sexual abuse, et cetera, and the administration's view that they and the child separation policy are serving as "deterrents."

They literally do not have the resources to deal with all the migrants.

If this were true and it really were just that the poor good-hearted people at ICE simply couldn't care for all their valued customers, then maybe they should, I dunno, stop arresting more and more people, and focus on dealing with the ones in their custody and caring for them adequately, instead of going the "Andersonville-for-tots" approach so they can keep vacuuming people up faster than they can get rid of them?

Most of the facilities are not even run by ICE. They are outsourced to private prison companies and local governments.
And they do not control the number coming in, and claiming asylum.

[Novus America]

It is not just because some in the administration might want that.
A sudden massive increase in a very different type they were used to, funded and trained for really as happened.
And you clearly line out in the law what they can and cannot do. And what they are required to do. Congress can pass a law saying you get more money but cannot do x and must do y instead.

But that would be Congress actually doing its job.

They did do that. But because the funding was explicitly barred from being used to build the wall Trump had a tantrum and shut the government down.

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump.
While there is no need for a continuous wall the entire border (something Trump himself has conceded) there is a need for improved and expanded physical barriers in places.

It is not and all or both game. Well it should not be.
He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

[Vassenor]

I'm also trying to work out what the fuck the Blue Man Group has to do with that Saudi Great Replacement narrative.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They did do that. But because the funding was explicitly barred from being used to build the wall Trump had a tantrum and shut the government down.

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump. He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

Eh, I think Trump should have just shut his yap and just took the money sans physical barriers.

[Novus America]

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump. He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

Eh, I think Trump should have just shut his yap and just took the money sans physical barriers.

I mean you can say that, but he promised physical barriers. If he takes it without them the Democrats will crow about how he failed to get physical barriers to attack him in the elections.

I think both sides compromise. Enough funding to make a visible improvement in the state of the physical barriers, along with the other things.

[Vassenor]

They did do that. But because the funding was explicitly barred from being used to build the wall Trump had a tantrum and shut the government down.

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump.
While there is no need for a continuous wall the entire border (something Trump himself has conceded) there is a need for improved and expanded physical barriers in places.

It is not and all or both game. Well it should not be.
He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

And we're back to "the only valid compromise is giving Trump what he wants".

[Pyta]

You're right-- they're making things bad because the administration wants to make things bad, because they want to deter people from crossing the border and frighten those who are already here. I never suggested they're just doing it for shits and giggles, there is certainly a demented logic to it all.


The people in charge want conditions to be like this, because it serves their policy agenda. If you give them more funding and lawyers, they will just implement the same horrors we're seeing now on a larger scale.

It is not just because some in the administration might want that.
A sudden massive increase in a very different type they were used to, funded and trained for really as happened.
And you clearly line out in the law what they can and cannot do. And what they are required to do. Congress can pass a law saying you get more money but cannot do x and must do y instead.

But that would be Congress actually doing its job.

2018 saw the largest amount of border apprehensions since, *checks notes* 2014.

The idea that there's an unprecedently massive group of people crossing the border is, quite simply, counterfactual. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/62224681 ... ree-graphs

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Eh, I think Trump should have just shut his yap and just took the money sans physical barriers.

I mean you can say that, but he promised physical barriers. If he takes it without them the Democrats will crow about how he failed to get physical barriers to attack him in the elections.

Eh, I don't think they would sense they don't think the wall was such a hot idea in the first place.

There would only do that if they promised to buld a wall instead.

I think both sides compromise. Enough funding to make a visible improvement in the state of the physical barriers, along with the other things.

That could work.

[Novus America]

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump.
While there is no need for a continuous wall the entire border (something Trump himself has conceded) there is a need for improved and expanded physical barriers in places.

It is not and all or both game. Well it should not be.
He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

And we're back to "the only valid compromise is giving Trump what he wants".

I mean compromise works by giving the other side some of what they want.
“Fuck you, you get nothing” is not compromise.

It would not have to be enough to build the physical barriers to the extent he ideally wants, but enough that he has something to show for what he promised.

[Nova Cyberia]

Because the House was doing it just to troll Trump. He would have accepted a limited amount of funding for physical barriers.
The House will have to compromise on building some physical barriers.

Congress can also override a presidential veto.

Eh, I think Trump should have just shut his yap and just took the money sans physical barriers.

It wasn't just because of the wall. The Dems also wanted to impose a limit on how many people ICE can detain, something that would have handicapped ICE which they fucking knew perfectly well Trump would never support.

At this point, trying to act like this is all Trump and the Repub's fault is just a lie.