Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Radimostan]

Actually thats not a bad idea.

One would think so.

And yet people didn't like that idea. What's wrong with Mexico? I mean, Democrats swear it's not a shithole so the migrants should have little issue waiting there.

and wouldn't need an asylum

[Radimostan]

A whole $750 a day?! Clearly we're being bankrupted.

Am I to think that your argument here is "of course we can't give them beds, we're only spending 750 dollars a day per person on them" Like why does it cost ten times as much to keep them locked in a pen in a desert as it does to keep me in a fairly comfy bed in a nice apartment

You don't need an armed guard.

plus: constructing and maintaining stuff in the desert can cost a lot

[Nova Cyberia]

A whole $750 a day?! Clearly we're being bankrupted.

Am I to think that your argument here is "of course we can't give them beds, we're only spending 750 dollars a day per person on them" Like why does it cost ten times as much to keep them locked in a pen in a desert as it does to keep me in a fairly comfy bed in a nice apartment

Because the facilities are overcrowded, and we can't exactly go and confiscate someone's apartment just to keep migrants in there.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Actually thats not a bad idea.

One would think so.

And yet people didn't like that idea. What's wrong with Mexico? I mean, Democrats swear it's not a shithole so the migrants should have little issue waiting there.

*cough* gang wars *cough* drugs. Sorry, had something in my throat.

[The Two Jerseys]

A whole $750 a day?! Clearly we're being bankrupted.

Am I to think that your argument here is "of course we can't give them beds, we're only spending 750 dollars a day per person on them" Like why does it cost ten times as much to keep them locked in a pen in a desert as it does to keep me in a fairly comfy bed in a nice apartment

Because your landlord doesn't need to pay three shifts of guards to babysit you around the clock.

[Pyta]

Am I to think that your argument here is "of course we can't give them beds, we're only spending 750 dollars a day per person on them" Like why does it cost ten times as much to keep them locked in a pen in a desert as it does to keep me in a fairly comfy bed in a nice apartment

You don't need an armed guard.

plus: constructing and maintaining stuff in the desert can cost a lot

I don't need an armed guard but I don't think every single person in there has an armed guard to themselves and even then with the median ICE salary that's still only an extra $168 dollars a day.

cheaper than brooklyn, I'd imagine.

I gotta say I'm having a lot of trouble believing any of y'all have ever put together a budget.

[Pyta]

I mean even with three shifts of armed guards per individual (which is excessive and hilariously wrong) we're only looking at $500 bucks a day

[Radimostan]

I have a hard true believing you ever tried to build anything

[Radimostan]

I mean even with three shifts of armed guards per individual (which is excessive and hilariously wrong) we're only looking at $500 bucks a day

again, what about construction and maintenance? Or medical staff? Or administrative staff?

[The Two Jerseys]

I mean even with three shifts of armed guards per individual (which is excessive and hilariously wrong) we're only looking at $500 bucks a day

Lol.

Try $720. And that's just one guard per shift.

We haven't even touched overhead yet.

[Pyta]

I mean even with three shifts of armed guards per individual (which is excessive and hilariously wrong) we're only looking at $500 bucks a day

again, what about construction and maintenance? Or medical staff? Or administrative staff?

What about them? My apartment costs about 30 bucks a day and includes construction and maintenance costs. They should probably look into the medical staff on account of all the people dying.

Hell, let's look at numbers elsewhere! It costs the state of california $220/day to house prison inmates, what possible cause could there be to spend an extra 500 dollars a day detaining someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime, and still not be able to afford beds, soap, or toothpaste?

[Pyta]

I mean even with three shifts of armed guards per individual (which is excessive and hilariously wrong) we're only looking at $500 bucks a day

Lol.

Try $720. And that's just one guard per shift.

We haven't even touched overhead yet.

Median salary at ICE is ~61,000 a year, or about 167 a day. So three guards per person (again, *per person*, a completely asinine proposition) comes out to $500 a day.

[Novus America]

One would think so.

And yet people didn't like that idea. What's wrong with Mexico? I mean, Democrats swear it's not a shithole so the migrants should have little issue waiting there.

*cough* gang wars *cough* drugs. Sorry, had something in my throat.

General crime is not a reason you can claim refugee status.
Over a million American citizens live in Mexico, and millions visit as tourists.

It is not like gang war make up all of Mexico or directly impact everyone in Mexico.

[Novus America]

Lol.

Try $720. And that's just one guard per shift.

We haven't even touched overhead yet.

Median salary at ICE is ~61,000 a year, or about 167 a day. So three guards per person (again, *per person*, a completely asinine proposition) comes out to $500 a day.

That is just salary, what about healthcare and retirement benefits? Vacation and sick time?

[The Two Jerseys]

Lol.

Try $720. And that's just one guard per shift.

We haven't even touched overhead yet.

Median salary at ICE is ~61,000 a year, or about 167 a day. So three guards per person (again, *per person*, a completely asinine proposition) comes out to $500 a day.

$167 a day if they work a 168 hour week.

Your math is flawed.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

*cough* gang wars *cough* drugs. Sorry, had something in my throat.

General crime is not a reason you can claim refugee status.
Over a million American citizens live in Mexico, and millions visit as tourists.

It is not like gang war make up all of Mexico or directly impact everyone in Mexico.

Yes. I agree with you. The point was that perhaps these facilities are preferable to the alternative.

[Radimostan]

wait a minute

official budget report

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ICE%20FY18%20Budget.pdf

page 127

In FY 2018, ICE projects that the average daily rate for direct costs will total $121.90 for adult beds. Consistent with OMB circular
A-87, ICE defines direct costs as those costs which are directly utilized by an alien while they are in ICE custody. Direct costs include
detention bed / guard contracts, healthcare, and other costs directly tied to implementing the detention program. Examples of other
direct costs include alien welfare (clothing and other materials); provisions (food, beverages, and cooking materials); detainee pay;
telecommunications services; utilities; operation and maintenance of facilities; supplies; equipment; postage; and miscellaneous contractual services such as inspection contracts. In addition to direct costs associated with detention capacity, ICE incurs indirect
expenses such as headquarters support and liability insurance. In FY 2018, ICE estimates a fully burdened average daily rate of
$133.99 for adult beds.

I might be a stupid uneducated right-winger, and you a well educated highly-intellectual progressive but... 133.99 does not seem like 750...

[Pyta]

Boy y'all got really hooked on the minutiae of having three guards per person in the concentration camps, a situation I presented entirely to show how ludicrous spending 750 dollars a day per prisoner is, almost as addressing the reality of spending 750 dollars per person per day on people in concentration camps makes your crying about how they don't have the budget ring hollow and sadistic.

[Radimostan]

so what you are trying to say is "okay, I lied they don't spend 700 a day, but it's okay because you are all stupid for believing me"

[Pyta]

projected budget does not equal actual budget.

The $750 a day is from Mark Weber, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in the thing I linked earlier.

[The Two Jerseys]

projected budget does not equal actual budget.

The $750 a day is from Mark Weber, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in the thing I linked earlier.

So according to someone who knows nothing about the subject in question?

[Radimostan]

Department of Health and Human Services isn't ICE or BP

The DHHS and ICE operate two different kinds of immigration detention facilities.

Those cheap-looking facilities where people actually die are ICE and BP.

The DHHS has those long-term proper facilities with full amenities, that's why the cost so much more.

You basically tried to use the DHHS budget to say that ICE is not underfunded.

I mean

really, you can't be so stupid

[Pyta]

133/day is still more than we spend on housing prisoners, on average, who, again, have actually been convicted of a crime.

[Novus America]

133/day is still more than we spend on housing prisoners, on average, who, again, have actually been convicted of a crime.

Citation needed. And? Yes this is different so the costs may get be different.
Yes we need to build a proper network of decent refugee camps instead of the ad hoc mess we have right now. But Congress would have to pass a bill mandating and funding that.

[The Two Jerseys]

133/day is still more than we spend on housing prisoners, on average, who, again, have actually been convicted of a crime.

After you've already pulled one figure out of your ass, forgive me for not believing this one bit.