Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, you expect the government to use cheap immigrant labor on projects instead of putting it out to bid for contractors?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

I just believe in the maximum efficient use of human potential.

Aside most more complex projects do require specialized contractors anyways. The amount of projects where unskilled labour is being useful is limited but undoubtly exist.

Then you have joblessness. The last thing we need is a bunch or immigrants who find themselves jobless because they have no experience with anything but unskilled labor. Then they ask for help from the system... more taxes and more welfare.

[Rossiyaana]

I've not seen any evidence that people are allowed to go out into the country 30 days after their detention. And even if so, that doesn't excuse the inhumane conditions and potential for death.

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics

70 percent of people in immigration detention are held in U.S. immigration detention for 1 month or less

"in fact, many people were released the same day they were detained, indicating that ICE did not need to obtain court approval to deport these individuals."

They aren't being released into the US, they're being deported.

[Vassenor]

Only because you keep sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming when evidence is presented.

‘There Is a Stench’: No Soap and Overcrowding in Detention Centers for Migrant Children

DHIS Office of the Inspector General: Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding Among Single Adults at El Paso Del Norte Processing Center

Botched family reunifications left migrant children waiting in vans overnight

ICE Stopped Updating Its List of ‘Deaths in ICE Custody’ (There's one for the people claiming there's no coverups)

What I Saw at the Dilley, Texas, Immigrant Detention Center

AP: Attorneys: Texas border facility is neglecting migrant kids

Essentially: there are a couple of centers where some people have been in slightly too crowded centers and not quite given the opportunity to bath as much as they might like. With that said, no one said we owe them a Ritz Carlton experience. This isn’t a luxury resort because it isn’t supposed to be.

Why does everyone act like basic fucking sanitation is some sort of five star luxury?

[Nova Cyberia]

Essentially: there are a couple of centers where some people have been in slightly too crowded centers and not quite given the opportunity to bath as much as they might like. With that said, no one said we owe them a Ritz Carlton experience. This isn’t a luxury resort because it isn’t supposed to be.

Why does everyone act like basic fucking sanitation is some sort of five star luxury?

It's not. But you see, these agencies need what we call "funding" to provide this stuff.

They aren't getting enough of this "funding" to meet everyone's needs.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Essentially: there are a couple of centers where some people have been in slightly too crowded centers and not quite given the opportunity to bath as much as they might like. With that said, no one said we owe them a Ritz Carlton experience. This isn’t a luxury resort because it isn’t supposed to be.

Why does everyone act like basic fucking sanitation is some sort of five star luxury?

In many parts of the world it is a luxury. Again, I wish it wasn’t that way but we don’t have the funding.

[Rossiyaana]

Why does everyone act like basic fucking sanitation is some sort of five star luxury?

It's not. But you see, these agencies need what we call "funding" to provide this stuff.

They aren't getting enough of this "funding" to meet everyone's needs.

Hmmm... maybe if we weren't blowing money on a giant wall they'd be funded enough not to let people die.

[The Two Jerseys]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, you expect the government to use cheap immigrant labor on projects instead of putting it out to bid for contractors?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

I just believe in the maximum efficient use of human potential.

Aside most more complex projects do require specialized contractors anyways. The amount of projects where unskilled labour is being useful is limited but undoubtly exist.

The most you could do without pissing off a lot of people would be making them pick trash up off the side of the road, the second you put them to work on a construction project you'll have a dozen contractors protesting it.

[Rossiyaana]

Why does everyone act like basic fucking sanitation is some sort of five star luxury?

In many parts of the world it is a luxury.

This isn't many parts of the world. This is America, where basic sanitation is expected.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's not. But you see, these agencies need what we call "funding" to provide this stuff.

They aren't getting enough of this "funding" to meet everyone's needs.

Hmmm... maybe if we weren't blowing money on a giant wall they'd be funded enough not to let people die.

The President cannot provide them funding. It's the job of Congress to do so. They have power of the purse.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

It's not. But you see, these agencies need what we call "funding" to provide this stuff.

They aren't getting enough of this "funding" to meet everyone's needs.

Hmmm... maybe if we weren't blowing money on a giant wall they'd be funded enough not to let people die.

We aren’t blowing much money on the wall at all actually.

[Nakena]

I just believe in the maximum efficient use of human potential.

Aside most more complex projects do require specialized contractors anyways. The amount of projects where unskilled labour is being useful is limited but undoubtly exist.

Then you have joblessness. The last thing we need is a bunch or immigrants who find themselves jobless because they have no experience with anything but unskilled labor. Then they ask for help from the system... more taxes and more welfare.

The alternative is to keep them in detention centers for a long time. It is better to make good use of them rather than just keep them idling. Also people who got nothing to do tend to get bad ideas.

As for the Joblessness, that would be the case eitherway. In fact even more so if they remain detained and idling. Also i'd be only happen if we're supposing that they actually get a permit to stay in the US, to which working however could be one way.

[The Two Jerseys]

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics

"in fact, many people were released the same day they were detained, indicating that ICE did not need to obtain court approval to deport these individuals."

They aren't being released into the US, they're being deported.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

In many parts of the world it is a luxury.

This isn't many parts of the world. This is America, where basic sanitation is expected.

Agreed, my only point is that all of their basic human rights are met and they are only in their for a couple weeks. I wish it was better but it isn’t.

[Rossiyaana]

Hmmm... maybe if we weren't blowing money on a giant wall they'd be funded enough not to let people die.

The President cannot provide them funding. It's the job of Congress to do so. They have power of the purse.

Thats how it should work, but Trump wen't around congress to try to get funding for the wall, demonstrating that hes willing to do whatever he can to get what he wants. If he wants funding for these centers he can get it.

[Nova Cyberia]

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics

"in fact, many people were released the same day they were detained, indicating that ICE did not need to obtain court approval to deport these individuals."

They aren't being released into the US, they're being deported.

yasssssss

[Nova Cyberia]

The President cannot provide them funding. It's the job of Congress to do so. They have power of the purse.

Thats how it should work, but Trump wen't around congress to try to get funding for the wall, demonstrating that hes willing to do whatever he can to get what he wants. If he wants funding for these centers he can get it.

He used an emergency declaration.

Democrats continue to deny there's an emergency.

[Rossiyaana]

Thats how it should work, but Trump wen't around congress to try to get funding for the wall, demonstrating that hes willing to do whatever he can to get what he wants. If he wants funding for these centers he can get it.

He used an emergency declaration.

Democrats continue to deny there's an emergency.

The emergency is the inhumane conditions at the border, not the fact that people are crossing it.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

The President cannot provide them funding. It's the job of Congress to do so. They have power of the purse.

Thats how it should work, but Trump wen't around congress to try to get funding for the wall, demonstrating that hes willing to do whatever he can to get what he wants. If he wants funding for these centers he can get it.

You do understand that that isn’t how the Government works? Congress has the purse.

[Nova Cyberia]

He used an emergency declaration.

Democrats continue to deny there's an emergency.

The emergency is the inhumane conditions at the border, not the fact that people are crossing it.

Our government agencies being overwhelmed by the flow of people is not an emergency?

Fascinating.

[Rossiyaana]

Thats how it should work, but Trump wen't around congress to try to get funding for the wall, demonstrating that hes willing to do whatever he can to get what he wants. If he wants funding for these centers he can get it.

You do understand that that isn’t how the Government works? Congress has the purse.

Yes, but Trump declared a national emergency in order to try to secure funding for the wall. If he declared one to solve the inhumane conditions at the border, and alllocated funding to improve the centers, I'm sure congress would support him.

[Nova Cyberia]

You do understand that that isn’t how the Government works? Congress has the purse.

Yes, but Trump declared a national emergency in order to try to secure funding for the wall. If he declared one to solve the inhumane conditions at the border, and alllocated funding to improve the centers, I'm sure congress would support him.

They deny there's an emergency at all. I doubt they would.

[Rossiyaana]

The emergency is the inhumane conditions at the border, not the fact that people are crossing it.

Our government agencies being overwhelmed by the flow of people is not an emergency?

Fascinating.

No, that is an emergency. I agree DHS needs more funding, but not for inhumane detention centers.

[Rossiyaana]

Yes, but Trump declared a national emergency in order to try to secure funding for the wall. If he declared one to solve the inhumane conditions at the border, and alllocated funding to improve the centers, I'm sure congress would support him.

They deny there's an emergency at all. I doubt they would.

Well that comes from the unwillingness of politicians to work together for the betterment of the country.

[Nova Cyberia]

Our government agencies being overwhelmed by the flow of people is not an emergency?

Fascinating.

No, that is an emergency. I agree DHS needs more funding, but not for inhumane detention centers.

Detention centers can be perfectly humane with the proper funding.

[Nakena]

The most you could do without pissing off a lot of people would be making them pick trash up off the side of the road, the second you put them to work on a construction project you'll have a dozen contractors protesting it.

Well they could also be rented out. In the end i'd probably not more than a four digit number of people anyways but it would reduce the pressure on the border situation. It alone cannot fix things, always needs to be flanked by a number of overlapping measures that minimize the crisis to an acceptable levels. The more applied the smaller it gets.