Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[The Two Jerseys]

The american taxpayer is spending $750 a day per person at these camps. They're not underfunded. That's just some BS that conservatives like to parrot because they think it makes them look less like inhuman monsters.

750 USD per day is an awful lot of money. Theres probably less cost intensive and more humane ways to keep those people around - quite possible in productive ways - till their stuff is being processed.

Does that $750 include overhead?

[Pyta]

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

Legal and documented imigration provides cheap labor. You are correct. Illegal Immigration on the other hand...

provides even more cheap labor.

[Nakena]

750 USD per day is an awful lot of money. Theres probably less cost intensive and more humane ways to keep those people around - quite possible in productive ways - till their stuff is being processed.

Does that $750 include overhead?

I have no idea where that number comes from. I am sure Pyta knows more about this. Generally though keeping people locking up is in the tendency the more expensive option to lets say put them to work.

Legal and documented imigration provides cheap labor. You are correct. Illegal Immigration on the other hand...

provides even more cheap labor.

Which could be used for public works and the likes.

[Novus America]

In favour of open borders and singing songs while our economy crumbles.

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

Again, I went over this. On average yes. In the amounts we currently have.
Not all immigrants are.
Immigrants are not fungible. Some are more beneficial than others.

Also a net benefit to the economy on the whole is not necessarily a benefit to everyone even most people, depending on the benefit to people ratio and the distribution of the benefit.

[Novus America]

Legal and documented imigration provides cheap labor. You are correct. Illegal Immigration on the other hand...

provides even more cheap labor.

Which is not necessarily a good thing.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

"Just because dozens of people are dying almost immediately after coming under my care, doesn't mean they're my fault. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that I don't let them bathe or sleep"

Citation? Bathing looks like one instance (and I will tell you that the photo showed 5 guys looking fairly clean) and I can find no evidence of not being given the ability to sleep.

[Nakena]

provides even more cheap labor.

Which is not necessarily a good thing.

Depends how it is being used. When it comes to infrastructure, public works and other important stuff, cheap labour can be an useful asset.

[Liriena]

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

Legal and documented imigration provides cheap labor. You are correct. Illegal Immigration on the other hand...

Does too.

[Radimostan]

One doesn't have responsibility for everyone in need, that would be literally impossible.

Also, the problem isn't time. It's resources.

Richest country in the world. You can afford it without using some senile fuck's dream of a militarized border wall as a bargaining chip.

Also, you do have a responsibility towards everyone in need within your country, at least, and that includes the immigrants you detain.

For the second time, I am not American.

Also, says who?

[Novus America]

One doesn't have responsibility for everyone in need, that would be literally impossible.

Also, the problem isn't time. It's resources.

Richest country in the world. You can afford it without using some senile fuck's dream of a militarized border wall as a bargaining chip.

Also, you do have a responsibility towards everyone in need within your country, at least, and that includes the immigrants you detain.

Actually we are not the richest economy.
Luxembourg is.

[Radimostan]

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Share_of_Migrants_in_the_world_2015-en.svg/1920px-Share_of_Migrants_in_the_world_2015-en.svg.png

very draconian

[Rossiyaana]

"Just because dozens of people are dying almost immediately after coming under my care, doesn't mean they're my fault. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that I don't let them bathe or sleep"

Citation? Bathing looks like one instance (and I will tell you that the photo showed 5 guys looking fairly clean) and I can find no evidence of not being given the ability to sleep.

Clean and in a cage. The american dream!

[The Two Jerseys]

Does that $750 include overhead?

I have no idea where that number comes from. I am sure Pyta knows more about this. Generally though keeping people locking up is in the tendency the more expensive option to lets say put them to work.

provides even more cheap labor.

Which could be used for public works and the likes.

Won't ever happen, the bleeding hearts bitch and moan when we make prison inmates work...

[Vassenor]

You are familiar with the concept of the Duty of Care, right?

Yes, I would expect conditions to be safe enough for humans to live in. There is no evidence yet produced showing that that is not the case in this instance.

Only because you keep sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming when evidence is presented.

‘There Is a Stench’: No Soap and Overcrowding in Detention Centers for Migrant Children

DHIS Office of the Inspector General: Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding Among Single Adults at El Paso Del Norte Processing Center

Botched family reunifications left migrant children waiting in vans overnight

ICE Stopped Updating Its List of ‘Deaths in ICE Custody’ (There's one for the people claiming there's no coverups)

What I Saw at the Dilley, Texas, Immigrant Detention Center

AP: Attorneys: Texas border facility is neglecting migrant kids

[Pyta]

provides even more cheap labor.

Which is not necessarily a good thing.

I'm not the one saying it is, that was the other guy, who was implying that it doesn't.

[Novus America]

Which is not necessarily a good thing.

Depends how it is being used. When it comes to infrastructure, public works and other important stuff, cheap labour can be an useful asset.

It can be useful. It can also create greater wealth inequality and downward pressure on average wages.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Citation? Bathing looks like one instance (and I will tell you that the photo showed 5 guys looking fairly clean) and I can find no evidence of not being given the ability to sleep.

Clean and in a cage. The american dream!

A cramped compound for 30 days before they can go out into America and live the dream. Seems worth it.

[Nakena]

Depends how it is being used. When it comes to infrastructure, public works and other important stuff, cheap labour can be an useful asset.

It can be useful. It can also create greater wealth inequality and downward pressure on average wages.

They shouldn be thrown onto the free market of course. I am thinking more something like being recruited into a Federal Labour Service.

[The Two Jerseys]

Which is not necessarily a good thing.

Depends how it is being used. When it comes to infrastructure, public works and other important stuff, cheap labour can be an useful asset.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, you expect the government to use cheap immigrant labor on projects instead of putting it out to bid for contractors?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

Edit: FYI, I'm not starting an argument with you or anything, I'm just being devil's advocate because this is literally the sort of pushback that your plan would get.

[Rossiyaana]

Clean and in a cage. The american dream!

A cramped compound for 30 days before they can go out into America and live the dream. Seems worth it.

I've not seen any evidence that people are allowed to go out into the country 30 days after their detention. And even if so, that doesn't excuse the inhumane conditions and potential for death.

[Pyta]

"Just because dozens of people are dying almost immediately after coming under my care, doesn't mean they're my fault. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that I don't let them bathe or sleep"

Citation? Bathing looks like one instance (and I will tell you that the photo showed 5 guys looking fairly clean) and I can find no evidence of not being given the ability to sleep.

Sarah Fabian, US DOJ attorney, argued that the government had no duty to provide immigrants in camps with soap, toothpaste/brushes, or beds. Yesterday.

[Nakena]

Depends how it is being used. When it comes to infrastructure, public works and other important stuff, cheap labour can be an useful asset.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, you expect the government to use cheap immigrant labor on projects instead of putting it out to bid for contractors?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

I just believe in the maximum efficient use of human potential.

Aside most more complex projects do require specialized contractors anyways. The amount of projects where unskilled labour is being useful is limited but undoubtly exist.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Yes, I would expect conditions to be safe enough for humans to live in. There is no evidence yet produced showing that that is not the case in this instance.

Only because you keep sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming when evidence is presented.

‘There Is a Stench’: No Soap and Overcrowding in Detention Centers for Migrant Children

DHIS Office of the Inspector General: Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding Among Single Adults at El Paso Del Norte Processing Center

Botched family reunifications left migrant children waiting in vans overnight

ICE Stopped Updating Its List of ‘Deaths in ICE Custody’ (There's one for the people claiming there's no coverups)

What I Saw at the Dilley, Texas, Immigrant Detention Center

AP: Attorneys: Texas border facility is neglecting migrant kids

Essentially: there are a couple of centers where some people have been in slightly too crowded centers and not quite given the opportunity to bath as much as they might like. With that said, no one said we owe them a Ritz Carlton experience. This isn’t a luxury resort because it isn’t supposed to be.

[Radimostan]

A cramped compound for 30 days before they can go out into America and live the dream. Seems worth it.

I've not seen any evidence that people are allowed to go out into the country 30 days after their detention. And even if so, that doesn't excuse the inhumane conditions and potential for death.

https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/detention-statistics

70 percent of people in immigration detention are held in U.S. immigration detention for 1 month or less

[Nova Cyberia]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, you expect the government to use cheap immigrant labor on projects instead of putting it out to bid for contractors?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

I just believe in the maximum efficient use of human potential.

Aside most more complex projects do require specialized contractors anyways. The amount of projects where unskilled labour is being useful is limited but undoubtly exist.

Our standards get lower every year.