Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Vassenor]

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

You are familiar with the concept of the Duty of Care, right?

[Nova Cyberia]

So what about, y'know, all the others who deliberately violate our laws?

Treat them humanely as well.

This might come as a shock to your kind, but I don't get off on being cruel to law-breakers, specially when their law-breaking is a victimless crime.

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

[Liriena]

Amazing arguments. I'm very proud of you.

You done with the hysteria yet, hm? Any more virtue-signalling you'd like to get out?

Thank you for your contribution to the art of pointless tone-policing. Your weaponization of cynicism to shit on people for having the gall to care is valid.

[Rossiyaana]

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

So we should just let them die?

Did I say that? We should get rid of these places and build more humane centers where people can come for help and aid before crossing the border.

[Nakena]

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

It would be entirely possibly to get more personal,, funding and aidworkers. Theres a lot of NGOs and charities that keep pandering about the migration crisis. They could instead contribute some practical aid on location. Both by providing personal, funds and other resources. Also prison sentences for antifa rioters could be changed into community aid work hour, which would give additional manpower for low cost.

Under those conditions ICE itself would be reduced to a supervising role in the background, with the costs being reduced remarkably. If this being flanked by other measures the bulk of the migration crisis can be managed.

[Novus America]

Abolishing the agency dedicated to enforcing laws against contraband and human trafficking is a really bad idea.
You do not understand how ICE is structured nor what it does.
Pro tip, it is much more than operating SOME of these facilities (which are not all operated by ICE.

This website has been around longer than ICE

And before you do so you cannot simply let everyone go wherever they want, without posing a safety risk.

Currently, I can go wherever I want within the united states. Why don't I pose a safety risk?

Eh, it is more complicated than that. The ICE replaced functions two organizations, one created in 1933 and the other in 1789.
So the name is new, the law enforcements functions it performs not.

Sure you could rename it, or move it under a different agency or organization.

And you have actually been vetted. The government has a record of your criminal activity if any, and if you are wanted for a criminal act, you cannot just run around freely.
Also they can detain you if you have a dangerous disease that is contagious.

[Rossiyaana]

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

True. But they certainly aren't helping.

[Liriena]

Treat them humanely as well.

This might come as a shock to your kind, but I don't get off on being cruel to law-breakers, specially when their law-breaking is a victimless crime.

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

You are familiar with the concept of the Duty of Care, right?

Yes, I would expect conditions to be safe enough for humans to live in. There is no evidence yet produced showing that that is not the case in this instance.

[Nova Cyberia]

You done with the hysteria yet, hm? Any more virtue-signalling you'd like to get out?

Thank you for your contribution to the art of pointless tone-policing. Your weaponization of cynicism to shit on people for having the gall to care is valid.

You don't care. You're just using this as political fodder to promote open borders.

[Rossiyaana]

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

It would be entirely possibly to get more personal,, funding and aidworkers. Theres a lot of NGOs and charities that keep pandering about the migration crisis. They could instead contribute some practical aid on location. Both by providing personal, funds and other resources. Also prison sentences for antifa rioters could be changed into community aid work hour, which would give additional manpower for low cost.

Under those conditions ICE itself would be reduced to a supervising role in the background, with the costs being reduced remarkably. If this being flanked by other measures the bulk of the migration crisis can be managed.

Don't bring antifa into this, its not necessary. And throwing money at the problem never works.

[Nova Cyberia]

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

Why? We have no shortage of the poor and illiterate in America. We don't need more.

[Radimostan]

So we should just let them die?

Did I say that? We should get rid of these places and build more humane centers where people can come for help and aid before crossing the border.

But guess who isn’t willing to pass any bills or compromise in order to fix conditions? LIBERALS

They're not compromising because it goes against their views and morals. You don't see conservatives passing bills to fund abortion clinics. I don't think we should be funding camps on the border where people die regularly.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

In favour of open borders and singing songs while our economy crumbles.

[Novus America]

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

You are familiar with the concept of the Duty of Care, right?

That does not mean you are automatically liable for the deaths of those that occur under your care.
Hospitals have a duty of care to their patients, patients still die all the time in hospitals.

[Rossiyaana]

You are familiar with the concept of the Duty of Care, right?

Yes, I would expect conditions to be safe enough for humans to live in. There is no evidence yet produced showing that that is not the case in this instance.

But... people died.

[Liriena]

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.


Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

One doesn't have responsibility for everyone in need, that would be literally impossible.

Also, the problem isn't time. It's resources.

Richest country in the world. You can afford it without using some senile fuck's dream of a militarized border wall as a bargaining chip.

Also, you do have a responsibility towards everyone in need within your country, at least, and that includes the immigrants you detain.

[Liriena]

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

In favour of open borders and singing songs while our economy crumbles.

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

True. But they certainly aren't helping.

For certain. I never said conditions were nice. I just said that just because some people died there doesn’t make it a death camp.

[Novus America]

Kind of difficult to do when our government agencies are overwhelmed by the endless flood of migrants.

We could always just increase funding for CBP and ICE...

You could always overhaul your draconian immigration system.

Our system is not particularly draconian. We have one of the largest immigration to non immigrant populations in the world AND have more total immigrants than any other country in the world.

But regardless of how we reform it, we still need agencies with sufficient resources to administer and enforce it.

[Nakena]

It would be entirely possibly to get more personal,, funding and aidworkers. Theres a lot of NGOs and charities that keep pandering about the migration crisis. They could instead contribute some practical aid on location. Both by providing personal, funds and other resources. Also prison sentences for antifa rioters could be changed into community aid work hour, which would give additional manpower for low cost.

Under those conditions ICE itself would be reduced to a supervising role in the background, with the costs being reduced remarkably. If this being flanked by other measures the bulk of the migration crisis can be managed.

Don't bring antifa into this, its not necessary. And throwing money at the problem never works.

No it is not throwing money into it. But theres a long standing tradition of charity and liberal political activism. If we could use a friction of the political and individual energy that is being going into the later into actual social work and aid then there would be no need to throw additional taxpayers money at the situation.

[Farnhamia]

Do you have any proof of this?

Also take a good look at this picture.

Pictures don't lie.

1.) CNN has staged stuff before
2.) So what? They want to come? Good. They have to go through the legal process. If they don't then they are to be arrested and deported. If found crossing again then they should be deported again. If they come back again then they should be executed.

*** 2 week ban for trolling ***

This may come as a surprise to you but the rules do actually apply to everyone here, including you. You are very close to being declared persona non grata.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

In favour of open borders and singing songs while our economy crumbles.

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

Legal and documented imigration provides cheap labor. You are correct. Illegal Immigration on the other hand...

[Pyta]

"Just because dozens of people are dying almost immediately after coming under my care, doesn't mean they're my fault. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that I don't let them bathe or sleep"

[Nova Cyberia]

In favour of open borders and singing songs while our economy crumbles.

Immigration is a net benefit to your country's economy.

It is not as black-and-white as that. We have no shortage of unskilled laborers in this country. What we need is skilled workers, but immigrants (either legal or illegal) typically do not provide this.