Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Novus America]

Except they broke the law by crossing the border illegally. I mean, immigration law should be enforced... that's why the ICE exists.

Isn't policing the border CBP's job?

Yes, admittedly having ICE and CBP be separate is a not a great idea. Merging them has been proposed many times, but not actually been done.

Both enforce immigration laws (in addition to many other laws).

[Liriena]

Abolish ICE. If you want to keep an eye on asylum seekers, either get them actual, decent housing (not "detention centers"), legal representation, sponsors who will be responsible for them... maybe ankle monitors of you are worried about flight risks.

Don't imprison them. Don't subject them to inhumane conditions. Many of these people did absolutely nothing wrong, nothing that merits treating them like garbage or using them as a "deterrent" for others by treating them with cruelty.

Also, I'm not a liberal.

Giving them housing costs a lot of money and they aren’t Americans so why should we.

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.

There are American citizens who would be better off with that house. Let’s get America in order first before we deal with South America.

Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

But guess who isn’t willing to pass any bills or compromise in order to fix conditions? LIBERALS

They're not compromising because it goes against their views and morals. You don't see conservatives passing bills to fund abortion clinics. I don't think we should be funding camps on the border where people die regularly.

People dying because they are sick and the nation they are fleeing from is a pit of illness and death. I would be shocked if people weren’t dying. Also, you do know that people die in jail too. People die. It does happen.

[Nova Cyberia]

Giving them housing costs a lot of money and they aren’t Americans so why should we.

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.

There are American citizens who would be better off with that house. Let’s get America in order first before we deal with South America.

Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

Human beings who deliberately violated our laws.

Please, clutch those pearls harder.

[The Two Jerseys]

Not what I'm saying. But if you want to draw conclusions that suit your narrative from what I'm saying go ahead. I won't argue with people who won't make an effort to actually argue back.

"People who won't make an effort to actually argue back" sums up a lot of conservatives in this debate if we're honest.

As opposed to you doing nothing but shitposting in every thread you participate in?

[Vassenor]

[citation needed]

What am I supposed to cite? This is a fact. If liberals wouldn’t care so much about thwarting Trump and would vote for a Border Enforcement spending bill these conditions would improve.

Remember, it's not compromise unless you give Trump everything he wants.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Giving them housing costs a lot of money and they aren’t Americans so why should we.

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.

There are American citizens who would be better off with that house. Let’s get America in order first before we deal with South America.

Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

Actually they aren’t under America’s jurisdiction until we are benevolent enough to let them in to the centers for processing.

[Liriena]

Abolish ICE. If you want to keep an eye on asylum seekers, either get them actual, decent housing (not "detention centers"), legal representation, sponsors who will be responsible for them... maybe ankle monitors if you are worried about flight risks.

Don't imprison them. Don't subject them to inhumane conditions. Many of these people did absolutely nothing wrong, nothing that merits treating them like garbage or using them as a "deterrent" for others by treating them with cruelty.

Also, I'm not a liberal.

Crossing the border illegally is doing something wrong.

Not if you're seeking asylum.

[Nova Cyberia]

"People who won't make an effort to actually argue back" sums up a lot of conservatives in this debate if we're honest.

As opposed to you doing nothing but shitposting in every thread you participate in?

Vass seems to believe that if you don't actually provide your opinion then no one can criticize you.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

What am I supposed to cite? This is a fact. If liberals wouldn’t care so much about thwarting Trump and would vote for a Border Enforcement spending bill these conditions would improve.

Remember, it's not compromise unless you give Trump everything he wants.

Well the compromise is that human lives are improved in exchange for the wall.

[Pyta]

The american taxpayer is spending $750 a day per person at these camps. They're not underfunded. That's just some BS that conservatives like to parrot because they think it makes them look less like inhuman monsters.

[Rossiyaana]

They're not compromising because it goes against their views and morals. You don't see conservatives passing bills to fund abortion clinics. I don't think we should be funding camps on the border where people die regularly.

People dying because they are sick and the nation they are fleeing from is a pit of illness and death. I would be shocked if people weren’t dying. Also, you do know that people die in jail too. People die. It does happen.

That doesn't excuse death. Just because people die other places doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop deaths in another place.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Crossing the border illegally is doing something wrong.

Not if you're seeking asylum.

No still illegal.

[Nova Cyberia]

Crossing the border illegally is doing something wrong.

Not if you're seeking asylum.

Only a small minority of migrants actually have legitimate asylum claims.

So what about, y'know, all the others who deliberately violate our laws?

[Liriena]

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.


Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

Human beings who deliberately violated our laws.

Please, clutch those pearls harder.

Amazing arguments. I'm very proud of you.

[Rossiyaana]

They're not compromising because it goes against their views and morals. You don't see conservatives passing bills to fund abortion clinics. I don't think we should be funding camps on the border where people die regularly.

People die there because the camps are not properly funded

and it's not regularly

it happens

but with 40 people it's not a common sight

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

[Radimostan]

Giving them housing costs a lot of money and they aren’t Americans so why should we.

Because they are human beings and under your jurisdiction. I'm sorry nationalism has rotten your sense of empathy and responsibility.

There are American citizens who would be better off with that house. Let’s get America in order first before we deal with South America.

Are Americans physically incapable of multitasking?

One doesn't have responsibility for everyone in need, that would be literally impossible.

Also, the problem isn't time. It's resources.

[The Two Jerseys]

People dying because they are sick and the nation they are fleeing from is a pit of illness and death. I would be shocked if people weren’t dying. Also, you do know that people die in jail too. People die. It does happen.

That doesn't excuse death. Just because people die other places doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop deaths in another place.

Have you cut that check to the Treasury yet?

[Vassenor]

Remember, it's not compromise unless you give Trump everything he wants.

Well the compromise is that human lives are improved in exchange for the wall.

Except the wall won't do anything except make Trump's hands look a little bit bigger.

[Radimostan]

People die there because the camps are not properly funded

and it's not regularly

it happens

but with 40 people it's not a common sight

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

So we should just let them die?

[Nakena]

The american taxpayer is spending $750 a day per person at these camps. They're not underfunded. That's just some BS that conservatives like to parrot because they think it makes them look less like inhuman monsters.

750 USD per day is an awful lot of money. Theres probably less cost intensive and more humane ways to keep those people around - quite possible in productive ways - till their stuff is being processed.

[Nova Cyberia]

Human beings who deliberately violated our laws.

Please, clutch those pearls harder.

Amazing arguments. I'm very proud of you.

You done with the hysteria yet, hm? Any more virtue-signalling you'd like to get out?

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

People die there because the camps are not properly funded

and it's not regularly

it happens

but with 40 people it's not a common sight

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.

[Liriena]

So what about, y'know, all the others who deliberately violate our laws?

Treat them humanely as well.

This might come as a shock to your kind, but I don't get off on being cruel to law-breakers, specially when their law-breaking is a victimless crime.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

People die there because the camps are not properly funded

and it's not regularly

it happens

but with 40 people it's not a common sight

We shouldn't be funding camps where people die.

Cause and effect guys. Just because people die in the camp doesn’t make the centers the Cause of their death.