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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:35 pm

Saiwania wrote:
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It is for the sake of ideology. If those people become citizens, it ruins everything from my world view's perspective. These are people to keep out or prevent from being granted any asylum or citizenship. It changes the character of the whole country in what I see as a negative way, if they're allowed to become more of a majority.

Two questions:
    1. Would you someone whose ideology and culture and religion aligned with yours immigrating?
    2. If your culture/ideology/race is so self-evidently superior, how would any influx of any other culture/race/ideology overwhelm yours?
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:37 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It is for the sake of ideology. If those people become citizens, it ruins everything from my world view's perspective. These are people to keep out or prevent from being granted any asylum or citizenship. It changes the character of the whole country in what I see as a negative way, if they're allowed to become more of a majority.

Two questions:
    1. Would you someone whose ideology and culture and religion aligned with yours immigrating?
    2. If your culture/ideology is so self-evidently superior, how would any influx of any other culture overwhelm yours?

For him, it’s not religion or culture. It’s skin color.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Two questions:
    1. Would you someone whose ideology and culture and religion aligned with yours immigrating?
    2. If your culture/ideology is so self-evidently superior, how would any influx of any other culture overwhelm yours?

For him, it’s not religion or culture. It’s skin color.

Fixed it.


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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:Thousands of unaccompanied migrant children could be detained indefinitely

Indefinite detention with no due process.

Sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.

If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them. It's not an ideal situation, but there's been romantic comedy movies about such a dilemna.

When the kids turn 18, options open-up where they can be deported to any country they are deemed fit for... assuming the recieving government is alright with it.
-It's not implausable for them to seek US citizenship whilst being detained.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:50 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Thousands of unaccompanied migrant children could be detained indefinitely

Indefinite detention with no due process.

Sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.

If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them.

If your argument is that ‘hey, it’s better than genocide’... maybe rethink your position.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:54 pm

Or you could embrace circular flow of immigration and not need to resort to such drastic measures ever again.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:57 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them.

If your argument is that ‘hey, it’s better than genocide’... maybe rethink your position.


But what is your alternative. We should not just dump them in the street.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:05 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Thousands of unaccompanied migrant children could be detained indefinitely

Indefinite detention with no due process.

Sounds pretty unconstitutional to me.

If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them. It's not an ideal situation, but there's been romantic comedy movies about such a dilemna.

When the kids turn 18, options open-up where they can be deported to any country they are deemed fit for... assuming the recieving government is alright with it.
-It's not implausable for them to seek US citizenship whilst being detained.


Pretty sure the original Spartans were kidnapped from their families, but don't let that get in the way of the analogy.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them. It's not an ideal situation, but there's been romantic comedy movies about such a dilemna.

When the kids turn 18, options open-up where they can be deported to any country they are deemed fit for... assuming the recieving government is alright with it.
-It's not implausable for them to seek US citizenship whilst being detained.


Pretty sure the original Spartans were kidnapped from their families, but don't let that get in the way of the analogy.

They’re talking about Halo. I don’t know Halo.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:33 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them.

If your argument is that ‘hey, it’s better than genocide’... maybe rethink your position.

So you're arguing for the final solution?

I mean, detaining them until they can get legal citizenship or asylum someplace is sorta what is currently going-on... And you're clearly not in favor of that...
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Hurtful Thoughts wrote:If you read the article, catagory 4 are stateless orphans with literally nobody willing to be their foster-parents.

If there were a real-life Spartan program, Cat 4 would be where the breeding stock would be drawn from.

Some of them don't even have legal names/ID... Just be glad the government is reporting that these kids even exist... rather than sweeping the problem into a shallow grave like some countries have tended to do in the past.

So rather than deporting them to a quick shower and a shallow grave, they're being kept in state-run orhanages just for them. It's not an ideal situation, but there's been romantic comedy movies about such a dilemna.

When the kids turn 18, options open-up where they can be deported to any country they are deemed fit for... assuming the recieving government is alright with it.
-It's not implausable for them to seek US citizenship whilst being detained.


Pretty sure the original Spartans were kidnapped from their families, but don't let that get in the way of the analogy.

Spartan IIs, yes, but not Spartan IIIs... those were volunteer-orphans from glassed planets.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Or you could embrace circular flow of immigration and not need to resort to such drastic measures ever again.

That's a very different thing, legal immigration on seasonal work-Visas. 5 Year old kids usually don't plan on hopping the border more than necessary.
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Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure the original Spartans were kidnapped from their families, but don't let that get in the way of the analogy.

They’re talking about Halo. I don’t know Halo.


So was I.
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