Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Novus America]

It’s not like thousands of Americans sell their stuff over the border or get water from the Rio Grande…

I mean, personally I think having the border there is silly because it's ludicrously indefensible. But if you really want to secure it some times sacrifices are necessary.

The Darien Gap on the other hand...

[Novus America]

Because people in the prison system generally didn't expect to end up there. Nobody cares what the penalty is if they think they won't get it. When someone crosses the border illegally and surrenders to custody they can be pretty sure they're ending up in the system.



This isn't a "measure" it's a lack of funding. We don't have facilities to house this many people over any significant period so these people are stuck in facilities that were never supposed to house people over any significant period. It's like the hotels full so people are stuck sleeping in the lobby, it's not great but it wasn't supposed to happen.

Which is why I said it's poorly planned. This doesn't give an excuse for the actions of the border police on the border. They should've known this was going to happen. Not to mention this would go against international law.

They do not set their own budget.
Also this recent overwhelming surge was unexpected.
They cannot see the future.

[Utceforp]

Anyone who is okay with this is a fundamentally broken person.

[Maineiacs]

Doesn't work for the prison system.

American prisons are a failure due to privatization and the over-infracting that goes on inside private prisons. If they would be state-run and be absolutely cruel, then the sheer fear of the prison would actually work.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

[Kowani]

American prisons are a failure due to privatization and the over-infracting that goes on inside private prisons. If they would be state-run and be absolutely cruel, then the sheer fear of the prison would actually work.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Something something private corporations run the prison system now.

[Russoslava]

Excuse you, are you aware of what a "Prison" is?

[Vassenor]

Excuse you, are you aware of what a "Prison" is?

Prisons involve people being kept in fenced pens in all conditions? Prisons involve teenage mothers being left unable to feed their children?

[Jolthig]

Which is why I said it's poorly planned. This doesn't give an excuse for the actions of the border police on the border. They should've known this was going to happen. Not to mention this would go against international law.

They do not set their own budget.
Also this recent overwhelming surge was unexpected.
They cannot see the future.

Sure, they can't see the future, but if they knew how many people were coming across the border (if it's even possible), and then look at how their facilities were going to hold all these people, with tax money on top of that, maybe their plans would've worked out better. This is the issue with American conservativism/nationalism: They say they want less taces; yet oppose illegal immigration. What they don't realize, especially the leaders like Trump and his cabinet, is that things require money. Sure, it's unexpected, but their lack of foresight based on planning, and critical analysis of the situation is what makes the Trump administration inept in the situation of the migrants.

[Gormwood]

Excuse you, are you aware of what a "Prison" is?

Prisons involve people being kept in fenced pens in all conditions? Prisons involve teenage mothers being left unable to feed their children?

Prison requires trial and conviction.

[Russoslava]

Excuse you, are you aware of what a "Prison" is?

Prisons involve people being kept in fenced pens in all conditions? Prisons involve teenage mothers being left unable to feed their children?

Well, Yes. Actually very much so. I live in America was that not obvious? Mothers get separated from their children and what do you think a Cell is? I'm an EMT I've been in Prisons before turns out Prison isn't fun.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

American prisons are a failure due to privatization and the over-infracting that goes on inside private prisons. If they would be state-run and be absolutely cruel, then the sheer fear of the prison would actually work.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Well, if everyone gets sent to the gulags, then it's not technically "unusual"...

That aside, Vegas' argument doesn't work. For most of human history, prisons were absolutely horrific. That didn't stop people from committing crimes, because most criminals become criminals for one of two reasons: either they don't have a choice, or they don't think they'll be caught. Making prisons into death camps won't deter either group.

[Vassenor]

Prisons involve people being kept in fenced pens in all conditions? Prisons involve teenage mothers being left unable to feed their children?

Well, Yes. Actually very much so. I live in America was that not obvious? Mothers get separated from their children and what do you think a Cell is? I'm an EMT I've been in Prisons before turns out Prison isn't fun.

Prison cells aren't exposed to the elements.

[Russoslava]

Well, Yes. Actually very much so. I live in America was that not obvious? Mothers get separated from their children and what do you think a Cell is? I'm an EMT I've been in Prisons before turns out Prison isn't fun.

Prison cells aren't exposed to the elements.

Oh wow, the world is a shit place, oh wait it has always been a shit place. You want to know the difference between the guards and prisoners? The Guards get to go home at end of shift. Prisons have always been shit, is this new to you?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Prison cells aren't exposed to the elements.

Oh wow, the world is a shit place, oh wait it has always been a shit place. You want to know the difference between the guards and prisoners? The Guards get to go home at end of shift. Prisons have always been shit, is this new to you?

Did you read their post before you responded to it?

[Blueflarst]

It is his fault for tresspassing i would have received them with bullets if i were in charge
Look illegal inmigrants are invaders and should be treated like it, they have no identity and no rights in the invaded nation excepting the ones the invaded want to create, the borders are better closed to inmigrants whom come without authorization, the illegal inmigrants generate people without job or wealth to the invaded country, usually do not have knowledge about secondary school and if they enter they create cultural clashes as they try to impose their culture inside the invaded nation. If these people do not like their situation they should change their countries government by force if necessary instead of fleeing to another place to be maintained by governments influenced by compassiveminds

Emergency shelters and air conditioning are expensive and these people not only will not pay these thing but also brokes the law and the national soveringty of the people native of the country they invade

*** Warned for trolling. ***

You don't get it, do you? We don't tolerate this sort of posting here. You're welcome to express your opinion but do it civilly, not by saying people seeking asylum should be met with bullets.

You can call me monster but this is my opinion for people whom corosses illegally other nations border.

[Vassenor]

Prison cells aren't exposed to the elements.

Oh wow, the world is a shit place, oh wait it has always been a shit place. You want to know the difference between the guards and prisoners? The Guards get to go home at end of shift. Prisons have always been shit, is this new to you?

OK, thank you for conceding.

[Russoslava]

Oh wow, the world is a shit place, oh wait it has always been a shit place. You want to know the difference between the guards and prisoners? The Guards get to go home at end of shift. Prisons have always been shit, is this new to you?

OK, thank you for conceding.

I didn't concede. That has always been my opinion. I've been in Metal Health Hospitals for the Criminally insane and same rings true. I just don't get why people are making a big deal out of it now all of a sudden. It was a problem back in the 90s and before that yet no one makes that much of a stick back then.

[Jolthig]

*** Warned for trolling. ***

You don't get it, do you? We don't tolerate this sort of posting here. You're welcome to express your opinion but do it civilly, not by saying people seeking asylum should be met with bullets.

You can call me monster but this is my opinion for people whom corosses illegally other nations border.

Yet, you have demonstrated much ignorance about the situation on their countries. You claim that they should change their country if they feel it's in the wrong, yet, their governments hardly do anything to change that situation, and the resources of their country are mismanaged. The migrants hardly have the resources to even make a single change to their government which is why they come to the US because in their minds, it's a land of opportunity, a richer nation. To shoot them for crossing, is unjust, and demonstrates much ignorance regarding migrants, and is against international law.

[The South Falls]

When looking at things, view it from the lens of "what if it was me?"

It’s not and maybe you should learn to think for yourself.

I'm a member of the sheeple now, huh?

[Vassenor]

OK, thank you for conceding.

I didn't concede. That has always been my opinion. I've been in Metal Health Hospitals for the Criminally insane and same rings true. I just don't get why people are making a big deal out of it now all of a sudden. It was a problem back in the 90s and before that yet no one makes that much of a stick back then.

You admitted a lack of familiarity with the facts in the case and ignored attempts to explain them to you.

Because at this point, prison cells would be a marked improvement for these people.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

OK, thank you for conceding.

I didn't concede. That has always been my opinion. I've been in Metal Health Hospitals for the Criminally insane and same rings true. I just don't get why people are making a big deal out of it now all of a sudden. It was a problem back in the 90s and before that yet no one makes that much of a stick back then.

How many Romans complained about the justice system that regularly fed people to lions as a form of public entertainment?

[Blueflarst]

You can call me monster but this is my opinion for people whom corosses illegally other nations border.

Yet, you have demonstrated much ignorance about the situation on their countries. You claim that they should change their country if they feel it's in the wrong, yet, their governments hardly do anything to change that situation, and the resources of their country are mismanaged. The migrants hardly have the resources to even make a single change to their government which is why they come to the US because in their minds, it's a land of opportunity, a richer nation. To shoot them for crossing, is unjust, and demonstrates much ignorance regarding migrants, and is against international law.

No i did not. I am perfectly informed about all their problems and suffering but just for their having problems they can not go to another country illegally without asking permission. The Earth is not globalised, they must respect the law of other countries and try to come legally to the other country.
But they choose to pay mafias to support them in entering illegally ignoring the national sovereignity of the other nation. This is the same problem as if someone forcefully tries to enter in your home

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Yet, you have demonstrated much ignorance about the situation on their countries. You claim that they should change their country if they feel it's in the wrong, yet, their governments hardly do anything to change that situation, and the resources of their country are mismanaged. The migrants hardly have the resources to even make a single change to their government which is why they come to the US because in their minds, it's a land of opportunity, a richer nation. To shoot them for crossing, is unjust, and demonstrates much ignorance regarding migrants, and is against international law.

No i did not. I am perfectly informed about all their problems and suffering but just for their having problems they can not go to another country illegally without asking permission. The Earth is not globalised, they must respect the law of other countries and try to come legally to the other country.
But they choose to pay mafias to support them in entering illegally ignoring the national sovereignity of the other nation. This is the same problem as if someone forcefully tries to enter in your home

Most illegal immigrants do come in legally, but for one reason or another they don't get all the paperwork done. That alone doesn't make them bad people.

[Novus America]

They do not set their own budget.
Also this recent overwhelming surge was unexpected.
They cannot see the future.

Sure, they can't see the future, but if they knew how many people were coming across the border (if it's even possible), and then look at how their facilities were going to hold all these people, with tax money on top of that, maybe their plans would've worked out better. This is the issue with American conservativism/nationalism: They say they want less taces; yet oppose illegal immigration. What they don't realize, especially the leaders like Trump and his cabinet, is that things require money. Sure, it's unexpected, but their lack of foresight based on planning, and critical analysis of the situation is what makes the Trump administration inept in the situation of the migrants.

It is not just Trump, (though he certainly is not blameless) it is both parties using this as a political football rather than working for a solution.

When the Border Patrol and ICE saw crossings surge the dud ask for additional resources but did not get enough fast enough.

They do not always get what they ask for.

[Blueflarst]

No i did not. I am perfectly informed about all their problems and suffering but just for their having problems they can not go to another country illegally without asking permission. The Earth is not globalised, they must respect the law of other countries and try to come legally to the other country.
But they choose to pay mafias to support them in entering illegally ignoring the national sovereignity of the other nation. This is the same problem as if someone forcefully tries to enter in your home

Most illegal immigrants do come in legally, but for one reason or another they don't get all the paperwork done. That alone doesn't make them bad people.

I do not have problems with the ones whom come legally, there should be some special distintion of these inmigrants from the illegal invaders
As a spanish i csn say in my country people of north africa enters forcefully jumping concertinas
I do not have problems with the people of other countries whom come legally but when someones just jump in forcefully must not be allowed in