Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[The Lone Alliance]

Makes cutting off financial aid to their countries of origin instead of helping them economically and legally to where the citizens feel no need to flee north galaxy brain brilliant wouldn't you say?

Yes don't even get me started on the brilliance of that. /s

But hell could be worse, could have threatened Regime change.

Sadly economic aid isn't the solution either, because it's not really the amount of money alone that matters but just too many people in general.

Some of the economic aid never reached these people in the first place, and likely never would no matter how much money the US throws at these nations. But we can't exactly fix that either unless there was some way to directly get the aid to every citizen of that country without a single corrupt person ruining it.
(Maybe send checks in the mail, I don't know)

For some of these countries, their leaders don't miss these people when they leave because to them these people are seen as worthless even inside their own nations, it's the same policy as those states inside the US who ship their own homeless people to California.

"Let's take all our poor people and push them somewhere else!!!"

(And it's the same for the Syrian Migrant crisis in Europe, while I'm sure Assad is partly bothered by his nation being depopulated, I bet he's not missing all the former rebels who fled Syria rather than fight him)

Hell I bet if there was someplace other than the US it's likely there would be people inside the country secretly wanting to do the same with the US's own poor people.
Make them someone else's problem so they don't have to pay for it.
(Instead the US just likes to pretend that the poor people don't exist until election year.)

[Vassenor]

Are we seriously acting like "we have to treat them like animals because that'll make them not want to come here" is sound logic?

Doesn't work for the prison system, won't work here.

[The Snazzylands]

Are we seriously acting like "we have to treat them like animals because that'll make them not want to come here" is sound logic?

Doesn't work for the prison system, won't work here.

Like I said in my previous post, American citizens should be the ones who decides whether someone gets to live here or not because it's our country. Illegal immigrants don't give half a hot shit about that, about respecting the people who already live here, or the United States in general.You can't compare common criminals to iIlegal immigrants. They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

And what do you think will happen if they build these Air Conditioned camps with free food and free everything?

More will come, and then things will get too crowded and they'll have to shove more people in cages until they build more facilities. Which is likely why they were in cages in the first place, too many people showed up for the existing facilities to hold them.

What do you really want the US to just build camp after camp after camp to give free room and board to every illegal that shows up? What do you really want Herp, go ahead and say you believe in open borders and that you believe the US can safely let in every poor person who shows up without collapsing.

Or that the people of the US would even allow that in the end without violence breaking out.

When looking at things, view it from the lens of "what if it was me?"

Imagine what the countrymen who couldn't or wouldn't flee their nations think of these people, would they be jealous, or would they see them as cowards who fled to America expecting a handout while their friends and relatives were left to suffer?

These were people who had enough money or resources to get away, resources they could have put towards helping their fellow man but instead they chose to save themselves.

A thousand times this.

[Vassenor]

Are we seriously acting like "we have to treat them like animals because that'll make them not want to come here" is sound logic?

Doesn't work for the prison system, won't work here.

Like I said in my previous post, American citizens should be the ones who decides whether someone gets to live here or not because it's our country. Illegal immigrants don't give half a hot shit about that, about respecting the people who already live here, or the United States in general.You can't compare common criminals to iIlegal immigrants. They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

Cool. Let's see your actual evidence of said hostility.

[Risottia]

The bad conditions are probably exaggerated to fit the leftist pro open borders legal immigration views, like the tittle of the news story In a Human Dog Pound, what is needed is not open borders legal immigration, what is needed is an end to illegal immigration.

Agreed. It's about time that those who immigrated to the US through the leftists' open border policies were sent back whence they came, and their offspring should follow their fate! Starting with Caribbean immigrants, like Cubans!

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they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

[Vassenor]

The bad conditions are probably exaggerated to fit the leftist pro open borders legal immigration views, like the tittle of the news story In a Human Dog Pound, what is needed is not open borders legal immigration, what is needed is an end to illegal immigration.

Agreed. It's about time that those who immigrated to the US through the leftists' open border policies were sent back whence they came, and their offspring should follow their fate! Starting with Caribbean immigrants, like Cubans!

So we're getting into a Leopards Eating People's Faces situation?

[Risottia]

Agreed. It's about time that those who immigrated to the US through the leftists' open border policies were sent back whence they came, and their offspring should follow their fate! Starting with Caribbean immigrants, like Cubans!

So we're getting into a Leopards Eating People's Faces situation?

I'm not entirely familiar with that idiom.

Edit: Googled it... And yes we bloody well are.
https://mobile.twitter.com/cavalorn/sta ... 2549620736

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And what do you think will happen if they build these Air Conditioned camps with free food and free everything?

More will come, and then things will get too crowded and they'll have to shove more people in cages until they build more facilities. Which is likely why they were in cages in the first place, too many people showed up for the existing facilities to hold them.

What do you really want the US to just build camp after camp after camp to give free room and board to every illegal that shows up? What do you really want Herp, go ahead and say you believe in open borders and that you believe the US can safely let in every poor person who shows up without collapsing.

Or that the people of the US would even allow that in the end without violence breaking out.

You say that like food and non 38 degree heat housing are luxuries.

You are making a strawman argument saying things I did not say. Every human being who commits a crime anywhere should have temporary detention housing that treats them humanely while they await trial.

But you know what I do want instead of that nonsense you claimed I wanted?

I want no free man to be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will they proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

[The Lone Alliance]

And what do you think will happen if they build these Air Conditioned camps with free food and free everything?

More will come, and then things will get too crowded and they'll have to shove more people in cages until they build more facilities. Which is likely why they were in cages in the first place, too many people showed up for the existing facilities to hold them.

What do you really want the US to just build camp after camp after camp to give free room and board to every illegal that shows up? What do you really want Herp, go ahead and say you believe in open borders and that you believe the US can safely let in every poor person who shows up without collapsing.

Or that the people of the US would even allow that in the end without violence breaking out.

You say that like food and non 38 degree heat housing are luxuries.

They are if all the AC buildings are filled up with other migrants. That's the problem more people showed up an existing facilities can't handle it, this isn't a video game you can't just build new detention centers over night. Though they should be working on creating new ones.... unless the budget for such things have been cut.

You are making a strawman argument saying things I did not say. Every human being who commits a crime anywhere should have temporary detention housing that treats them humanely while they await trial.

And that's not realistic Herp. What if all the temporary detention buildings are full, should they be let go then? Or will the police be forced to stick them in whatever place they can until they have the space available? That's what happens in riots sometimes, the police get so many people that the jails end up being completely filled up, then the police have to stick people in something like the above while they process all the charges, it's not a Good solution but would you suggest letting angry violent rioters walk free to smash things because everyone needs a nice jail cell?
That's not realistic herp, unless you want to start shipping Migrants off to all the private prisons.... which is likely what is going to inevitably happen to them at this rate.... goddamn it.

But you know what I do want instead of that nonsense you claimed I wanted?

Herp, to be honest I don't think you have the heart to do anything less, you're just too nice herp, and I'm saying this as a compliment. If you were in charge of border patrol I literally could not see you imprisoning anyone, I think you would look the other way. That's what I mean when I say that, I think if you were personally in charge of border patrol you'd do very little because you wouldn't be able to be heartless enough to lock people away. Or if you did, and all the good cells were empty, you'd let people walk before subjecting them to bad conditions.

I'm not saying this to criticize you either.

I want no free man to be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will they proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I want no free man to be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will they proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

Theres alot of stuff to unpack and disagree with in this post but im on moblie so im just going to do this one point and get back to the others later.


You do know I was directly qouteing the Magna Carta here right? The Magna Carta did not prohibit arresting people.

Anyone accused of any crime from stealing a bag of skittles to a mass shooting is in the eyes of the law innocent untill proven gulty by a court of law.

Crossing the border illegally is in the same boat as every other crime. These people acused of any given crime must be given detention houseing. Zed houseing must be humane while they await a fair trial. What ICE did here was inexcusable. Major changes in management and increased funding must occur so people can not burn in Texas heat while waiting for a trial.

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You say that like food and non 38 degree heat housing are luxuries.

They are if all the AC buildings are filled up with other migrants. That's the problem more people showed up an existing facilities can't handle it, this isn't a video game you can't just build new detention centers over night. Though they should be working on creating new ones.... unless the budget for such things have been cut.

You are making a strawman argument saying things I did not say. Every human being who commits a crime anywhere should have temporary detention housing that treats them humanely while they await trial.

And that's not realistic Herp. What if all the temporary detention buildings are full, should they be let go then? Or will the police be forced to stick them in whatever place they can until they have the space available? That's what happens in riots sometimes, the police get so many people that the jails end up being completely filled up, then the police have to stick people in something like the above while they process all the charges, it's not a Good solution but would you suggest letting angry violent rioters walk free to smash things because everyone needs a nice jail cell?
That's not realistic herp, unless you want to start shipping Migrants off to all the private prisons.... which is likely what is going to inevitably happen to them at this rate.... goddamn it.

But you know what I do want instead of that nonsense you claimed I wanted?

Herp, to be honest I don't think you have the heart to do anything less, you're just too nice herp, and I'm saying this as a compliment. If you were in charge of border patrol I literally could not see you imprisoning anyone, I think you would look the other way. That's what I mean when I say that, I think if you were personally in charge of border patrol you'd do very little because you wouldn't be able to be heartless enough to lock people away. Or if you did, and all the good cells were empty, you'd let people walk before subjecting them to bad conditions.

I'm not saying this to criticize you either.

I want no free man to be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will they proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

Citizens accused of crimes skip bail all the time, you can always find a local news story about police rounding up some 50 people with outstanding warrants in your city. This is a fact of life, yet we haven't abolished bail and decided that everyone has to stay in jail for months until they get a trial or make a plea deal.

If someone is seeking asylum, they should be put up in a hotel or public housing while their claim is processed, not kept in conditions worse than maximum security prison. If someone is not seeking asylum but just crossing the border for whatever reason, then give them a medical check up and some food and water and turn them around, it's common sense.

[The Lone Alliance]

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

Theres alot of stuff to unpack and disagree with in this post but im on moblie so im just going to do this one point and get back to the others later.


You do know I was directly qouteing the Magna Carta here right? The Magna Carta did not prohibit arresting people.

And the British violated the Magna Carta quite a few times since it was written. What's your point.

Anyone accused of any crime from stealing a bag of skittles to a mass shooting is in the eyes of the law innocent untill proven gulty by a court of law.

Crossing the border illegally is in the same boat as every other crime. These people acused of any given crime must be given detention houseing. Zed houseing must be humane while they await a fair trial. What ICE did here was inexcusable. Major changes in management and increased funding must occur so people can not burn in Texas heat while waiting for a trial.

Yes increased funding must occur but what are they going to do in the meantime?

That is the problem, you're not providing any solutions here, you're just saying throw money at it like it'll magically instantly cause new facilities to spring up out of nowhere.

The easiest possible solution would be if ICE outsources their detention centers to the existing private prison industry until new facilities are constructed but do you really want to ship these people off to actual prisons?

Citizens accused of crimes skip bail all the time, you can always find a local news story about police rounding up some 50 people with outstanding warrants in your city. This is a fact of life, yet we haven't abolished bail and decided that everyone has to stay in jail for months until they get a trial or make a plea deal.

Indeed and when this happens to nearly every border crosser it starts getting old and tired to people, hence why Trump got support for changing that policy.

If someone is seeking asylum, they should be put up in a hotel or public housing while their claim is processed, not kept in conditions worse than maximum security prison. If someone is not seeking asylum but just crossing the border for whatever reason, then give them a medical check up and some food and water and turn them around, it's common sense.

And you know ICE would surround these hotels with barbed wire just on principle. Still that could be at least some solution, there's got to be some mostly empty cheap Hotels somewhere along the border they could use.

[Des-Bal]

Citizens accused of crimes skip bail all the time, you can always find a local news story about police rounding up some 50 people with outstanding warrants in your city. This is a fact of life, yet we haven't abolished bail and decided that everyone has to stay in jail for months until they get a trial or make a plea deal.

If someone is seeking asylum, they should be put up in a hotel or public housing while their claim is processed, not kept in conditions worse than maximum security prison. If someone is not seeking asylum but just crossing the border for whatever reason, then give them a medical check up and some food and water and turn them around, it's common sense.

Skipping bail puts someone in a position WORSE than they were in when they were right before they were taken into custody.

Running off while your asylum case is pending puts you in a BETTER position than before you were taken into custody.

You sought to enter and stay in the country and regardless of how legit your claim is you now can. Why, in your mind, would someone cross the border instead of seeking asylum? You've made it into a magic word that gets you a free hotel.

[Liriena]

They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

But... they're coming in to live in the country???

[Novus America]

They are if all the AC buildings are filled up with other migrants. That's the problem more people showed up an existing facilities can't handle it, this isn't a video game you can't just build new detention centers over night. Though they should be working on creating new ones.... unless the budget for such things have been cut.

And that's not realistic Herp. What if all the temporary detention buildings are full, should they be let go then? Or will the police be forced to stick them in whatever place they can until they have the space available? That's what happens in riots sometimes, the police get so many people that the jails end up being completely filled up, then the police have to stick people in something like the above while they process all the charges, it's not a Good solution but would you suggest letting angry violent rioters walk free to smash things because everyone needs a nice jail cell?
That's not realistic herp, unless you want to start shipping Migrants off to all the private prisons.... which is likely what is going to inevitably happen to them at this rate.... goddamn it.


Herp, to be honest I don't think you have the heart to do anything less, you're just too nice herp, and I'm saying this as a compliment. If you were in charge of border patrol I literally could not see you imprisoning anyone, I think you would look the other way. That's what I mean when I say that, I think if you were personally in charge of border patrol you'd do very little because you wouldn't be able to be heartless enough to lock people away. Or if you did, and all the good cells were empty, you'd let people walk before subjecting them to bad conditions.

I'm not saying this to criticize you either.

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

Citizens accused of crimes skip bail all the time, you can always find a local news story about police rounding up some 50 people with outstanding warrants in your city. This is a fact of life, yet we haven't abolished bail and decided that everyone has to stay in jail for months until they get a trial or make a plea deal.

If someone is seeking asylum, they should be put up in a hotel or public housing while their claim is processed, not kept in conditions worse than maximum security prison. If someone is not seeking asylum but just crossing the border for whatever reason, then give them a medical check up and some food and water and turn them around, it's common sense.

People at high risk of running or who cannot post bail are held until trial.
So while in most cases heavy security might not be needed, in many if not most cases some form of detention might be needed.

Also we should change the law to state if you skip your hearing your asylum case is automatically denied unless you have a really good reason.
But I agree if the are not seeking asylum and got caught illegally crossing they should be immediately deported.

[Novus America]

So you want to ban the ability to arrest people in general?

The problem is Herp is the government tried it that way, the catch and release program expected people to show up to their court trials. Most didn't. So that's why they ended it. Thanks to some jerk asses, now we have this stupid thing.

And it's only going to get worse Herp, not better, especially since now people are encouraging it.

Theres alot of stuff to unpack and disagree with in this post but im on moblie so im just going to do this one point and get back to the others later.


You do know I was directly qouteing the Magna Carta here right? The Magna Carta did not prohibit arresting people.

Anyone accused of any crime from stealing a bag of skittles to a mass shooting is in the eyes of the law innocent untill proven gulty by a court of law.

Crossing the border illegally is in the same boat as every other crime. These people acused of any given crime must be given detention houseing. Zed houseing must be humane while they await a fair trial. What ICE did here was inexcusable. Major changes in management and increased funding must occur so people can not burn in Texas heat while waiting for a trial.

While I do feel they should be housed in better conditions obviously I am not sure ICE is to blame.
Looks like they are just trying to make do with what they have.

We need to build a large number of proper refugee camps, with adequate housing, protection and medical care, to hold those until their claim is processed.

[Novus America]

They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

But... they're coming in to live in the country???

Most of course are not hostile at all.
Some might be gang, cartel members or members of other criminal/terrorist groups but most are not.

[Nakena]

They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

But... they're coming in to live in the country???

Or to survive. That is the question.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You can't compare common criminals to iIlegal immigrants. They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

As opposed to a local element that is actively hostile to the country.

Crossing a line without the proper paperwork is not comparable to DUI, Manslaughter, murder, ect.

However it would be comparable to lesser crimes, maybe petty theft or jaywalking.

[Rezmaeristan]

The real issue is that we're letting them in in the first place. Mexico should take them seeing as how it's the nearest country, but failing that, why not just send them to Costa Rica or Panama, which are Central American countries with higher HDI's. They actually have higher HDI's than Mexico! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ment_Index

Failing that, I don't think it would kill us to buy a fan or two. Maybe even one of those mister thingies.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You say that like food and non 38 degree heat housing are luxuries.

They are if all the AC buildings are filled up with other migrants. That's the problem more people showed up an existing facilities can't handle it, this isn't a video game you can't just build new detention centers over night. Though they should be working on creating new ones.... unless the budget for such things have been cut.

Again, instead of using these non climate controlled housing, they should have given them anything else that was climate controlled.

In Texas or hot places, AC's are no longer a luxury but a necessity.

You are making a strawman argument saying things I did not say. Every human being who commits a crime anywhere should have temporary detention housing that treats them humanely while they await trial.

And that's not realistic Herp. What if all the temporary detention buildings are full, should they be let go then? Or will the police be forced to stick them in whatever place they can until they have the space available? That's what happens in riots sometimes, the police get so many people that the jails end up being completely filled up, then the police have to stick people in something like the above while they process all the charges, it's not a Good solution but would you suggest letting angry violent rioters walk free to smash things because everyone needs a nice jail cell?
That's not realistic herp, unless you want to start shipping Migrants off to all the private prisons.... which is likely what is going to inevitably happen to them at this rate.... goddamn it.

It is what should be done. What must be done.

Motels, trailers, RV's- as long as it has air conditioning those can be used as temporary detention housing.

Not saying it has to be luxurious, just as long as they are not roasting in near 40 degree heat.

But you know what I do want instead of that nonsense you claimed I wanted?

Herp, to be honest I don't think you have the heart to do anything less, you're just too nice herp, and I'm saying this as a compliment. If you were in charge of border patrol I literally could not see you imprisoning anyone, I think you would look the other way. That's what I mean when I say that, I think if you were personally in charge of border patrol you'd do very little because you wouldn't be able to be heartless enough to lock people away. Or if you did, and all the good cells were empty, you'd let people walk before subjecting them to bad conditions.

I'm not saying this to criticize you either.

Thank you. If I where and all the cells that had climate control where taken I would in allrealty just give the group some water and point them back to Mexico.

I wouldn't really feel good while imprisoning people, but if it's my job I sadly got to do what I got to do.

[The Snazzylands]

Like I said in my previous post, American citizens should be the ones who decides whether someone gets to live here or not because it's our country. Illegal immigrants don't give half a hot shit about that, about respecting the people who already live here, or the United States in general.You can't compare common criminals to iIlegal immigrants. They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

Cool. Let's see your actual evidence of said hostility.

they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

But... they're coming in to live in the country???

Most of course are not hostile at all.
Some might be gang, cartel members or members of other criminal/terrorist groups but most are not.

Yeah some of them are actually gang members, human traffickers, etc. but I'm talking about forcefully inserting themselves into a country that isn't theirs. Like I said, Americans should decide who becomes a part of America, and illegal immigration necessarily rips that right away from the American people. Though most of them aren't literal murderers and kidnappers, they're hostile to the very idea of the United States as its own sovereign country, and should be recognized as such.

You can't compare common criminals to iIlegal immigrants. They're not just criminals, they're a foreign element that is actively hostile to the country.

As opposed to a local element that is actively hostile to the country.

Crossing a line without the proper paperwork is not comparable to DUI, Manslaughter, murder, ect.

However it would be comparable to lesser crimes, maybe petty theft or jaywalking.

It doesn't matter how harshly the crime is currently punished. For example, marital rape was perfectly legal up until around the 60's. Nowadays we know better, but at the time people weren't aware of or didn't care about how horribly damaging that kind of behavior was to families and society. The same could be said today about illegal immigration.

[Vassenor]

Cool. Let's see your actual evidence of said hostility.

Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

Most of course are not hostile at all.
Some might be gang, cartel members or members of other criminal/terrorist groups but most are not.

Yeah some of them are actually gang members, human traffickers, etc. but I'm talking about forcefully inserting themselves into a country that isn't theirs. Like I said, Americans should decide who becomes a part of America, and illegal immigration necessarily rips that right away from the American people. Though most of them aren't literal murderers and kidnappers, they're hostile to the very idea of the United States as its own sovereign country, and should be recognized as such.

As opposed to a local element that is actively hostile to the country.

Crossing a line without the proper paperwork is not comparable to DUI, Manslaughter, murder, ect.

However it would be comparable to lesser crimes, maybe petty theft or jaywalking.

It doesn't matter how harshly the crime is currently punished. For example, marital rape was perfectly legal up until around the 60's. Nowadays we know better, but at the time people weren't aware of or didn't care about how horribly damaging that kind of behavior was to families and society. The same could be said today about illegal immigration.

So your evidence of hostility is a mix of "my narrative says it so it must be true" and "I'm not racist, but...".

[The Snazzylands]

Yeah some of them are actually gang members, human traffickers, etc. but I'm talking about forcefully inserting themselves into a country that isn't theirs. Like I said, Americans should decide who becomes a part of America, and illegal immigration necessarily rips that right away from the American people. Though most of them aren't literal murderers and kidnappers, they're hostile to the very idea of the United States as its own sovereign country, and should be recognized as such.


It doesn't matter how harshly the crime is currently punished. For example, marital rape was perfectly legal up until around the 60's. Nowadays we know better, but at the time people weren't aware of or didn't care about how horribly damaging that kind of behavior was to families and society. The same could be said today about illegal immigration.

So your evidence of hostility is a mix of "my narrative says it so it must be true" and "I'm not racist, but...".

What are you talking about? Even if absolutely none of them were actively violent, I would still consider them hostile to the country for the reasons I gave.