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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:20 pm

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It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.


And here I am, being told that trump was an incompetent moron?

Which one is it


Is Trump your entire government?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:21 pm

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And here I am, being told that trump was an incompetent moron?

Which one is it


Is Trump your entire government?


Might as well be, considering the idea of checks and balances died with Wilson.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:01 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
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Is Trump your entire government?


Might as well be, considering the idea of checks and balances died with Wilson.

Fuck You wilson.


Woodrow Wilson?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:03 pm

Nakena wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Might as well be, considering the idea of checks and balances died with Wilson.

Fuck You wilson.


Woodrow Wilson?


Correct. The white supremacist who ironically founded the League of Nations.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:08 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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Woodrow Wilson?


Correct. The white supremacist who ironically founded the League of Nations.


It's somehow overlooked often that he was a kluxer. Apparantly he had also a very lasting influence on US foreign policy, (my way or the highway) and not in a good way.

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Postby US-SSR » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:41 pm

So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:42 pm

US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.

How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:44 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.

How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?

They just got a funding bill past the Senate, remember?
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:45 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.

How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?


Stop using the money they have to detain migrants in concentration camps in violation of every legal and human right. No detainees, no problemo.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?

They just got a funding bill past the Senate, remember?

Yeah, but he's talking about the past week.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:46 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?


Stop using the money they have to detain migrants in concentration camps in violation of every legal and human right. No detainees, no problemo.

But it is the law that we detain them, though.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:47 pm

US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.


Probably not much of the investigation will come out. It will be professionally slided and end somewhere inside the bureaucratic jungles of Washington DC.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:49 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
Stop using the money they have to detain migrants in concentration camps in violation of every legal and human right. No detainees, no problemo.

But it is the law that we detain them, though.


That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:49 pm

US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.


They're getting this nonsense from TYT (The Young Turks) which is known to be the center of regressive Liberalism on Youtube if not much of the internet. They're often liars and I'd consider them to be enemies of western civilization and America.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:50 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Again obviously the conditions in the detainment facilities are inadequate (but again that is irrelevant to whether or not it is a “concentration camp” and they are not).
Yes the detainment conditions need improvement but again that is a more complex matter.

Thankfully Congress did pass a bill to address the lack of adequate detainment resources although it remains to be seen how good a job they did.


Did it get through Trump?


Well I am not sure if it has been officially signed, but the Trump administration has stated it intends to sign it.

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, under pressure to help relieve appalling conditions reported in migrant detention centers, agreed to let the border bill pass without an amendment demanded by liberals. They wanted to add protections for migrant children and eliminate extra money for the Defense Department and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“I appreciate Speaker Pelosi because she really worked with us,” Trump said.

In exchange for letting the bill pass, Pelosi won an agreement from Vice President Mike Pence on Thursday that the administration would change the way migrant detention centers are run. Pence agreed to a 90-day limit for holding children in so-called “influx” facilities and promised to notify Congress within 24 hours after the death of a migrant child in U.S. custody.“
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:50 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:But it is the law that we detain them, though.


That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.

I believe it used to be that detainees would be allowed into the US while waiting for their hearing and ll that right? Well that was until Trump changed things.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:But it is the law that we detain them, though.


That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.

How does one go about doing that?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:51 pm

Saiwania wrote:
US-SSR wrote:So to sum up: after having more than a week to clean up their act CBP is still holding people in concentration camps on the border. Those in cages with no running water are being told to drink from the toilets. Meanwhile ProPublica uncovered a "secret" Facebook group of border patrol agents rife with racist and sexist comments, including pornographic attacks on Members of Congress. The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is calling for criminal charges and the DHS IG is investigating. This is not going to end well for CBP or ICE; and I for one couldn't be happier.


They're getting this nonsense from TYT (The Young Turks) which is known to be the center of regressive Liberalism on Youtube if not much of the internet. They're often liars and I'd consider them to be enemies of western civilization and America.


Kind of like the Cons and fox news eh?

You have proof of their lies?
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:52 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:But it is the law that we detain them, though.


That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.


That costs money too. Regardless there is going to be some time required to conduct background and health checks and a hearing. It will not happen overnight.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:53 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.

How does one go about doing that?


It takes money and the belief these people deserve an evaluation of the claims. This will not happen with McC and the trump party however. The brown menace is too good of a political tool.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How does one go about doing that?


It takes money and the belief these people deserve an evaluation of the claims. This will not happen with McC and the trump party however. The brown menace is too good of a political tool.

You know the President does not have power of the purse, right?
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:54 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?


Stop using the money they have to detain migrants in concentration camps in violation of every legal and human right. No detainees, no problemo.


Immigration detention is not a automatically violation of legal and human rights.
It is permissible under US and international law.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's more of an excuse. There is no reason we can't increase the amount of judges to review the cases for example.

I believe it used to be that detainees would be allowed into the US while waiting for their hearing and ll that right? Well that was until Trump changed things.


Immigration detention has been going on some 200 years. It is not something Trump created and most the existing facilities were created before Trump.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How do you suppose they're supposed to "clean up their act" with no money?

They just got a funding bill past the Senate, remember?


They did, but it still takes time from when the bill is passed to when the money is distributed and available to use, and even then still takes time to spend it, build new facilities, find suppliers of products, the cumbersome government procurement process and so on.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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