Border Patrol Is Detaining Migrants in ‘a Human Dog Pound’

[Telconi]

So it matters if the people actually deserve help or not?

Where did I say that? Everyone deserves help if they want it. What they want help with is what's at question. For example, I would help you with a mortgage payment if I could and you needed it. I wouldn't help you buy an oz of cocaine. You see the difference?

What if the two are the same?

[Novus America]

Sometimes detainment is necessary to protect others.

Yes, because we all know those thousands of kids and elderly people - among others - being stuffed into these concentration camps are an existential threat to America. Riiight.

Something you yourself could not disagree with as you have said how much you want to punish your political opponents. Or is it to just make them suffer instead of protect?

Regardless your claim to support political violence is well known.

You do realize you're not making your arguments more appealing by continuously making up these piss-poor strawmen about my beliefs, right?

Ironically this would lead to what you claim to be fighting against.

TIL'd having a desire to put an end to concentration camps = having a desire to create more concentration camps.

10/10

The ideology you claim to support is beyond incoherent.

Nah, it's really not.

Detaining people temporarily while background and health checks can be conducted to ensure laws are enforced is actually protecting people but okay.

So what happens to those on the receiving end of your proposed system of political and “revolutionary” violence?
For someone claims to want to fight concentration camps you seem a okay so long as it is your opponents going into them.

And yes, an “anarchist” claiming people should be punished to the full extent of the law is absolutely incoherent. While at the same time opposing law enforcement.

[Telconi]

I mean. What other rebuttal is there other than calling you a liar?

Ah, I guess I'm also somehow fucking lying about my hatred toward crimes against humanity.

Well, I'm done here responding to you, I suppose.

That seems to be the only explanation.

[Fartsniffage]

Where did I say that? Everyone deserves help if they want it. What they want help with is what's at question. For example, I would help you with a mortgage payment if I could and you needed it. I wouldn't help you buy an oz of cocaine. You see the difference?

What if the two are the same?

Sometimes people lie. That's a risk one takes. I dunno about the US but in the UK the amount of benefit fraud is around 3%. People are generally honest.

[Telconi]

What if the two are the same?

Sometimes people lie. That's a risk one takes. I dunno about the US but in the UK the amount of benefit fraud is around 3%. People are generally honest.

The state doesn't judge people.

[Novus America]

Your ideological beliefs are a crime against humanity.

WATCH as an ANARKITTY gets ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED by this FACTS and LOGIC-laden rebuttal!

It really is fucking funny how this is somehow the "best" rebuttal you can think of in response to somebody saying they despise crimes against humanity.

By committing mass political violence (crimes against humanity).

Was this supposed to say something?

See those on the receiving end of your proposed violence and hate probably do not think it would make things better for them.

It sure is really weird how I'm not proposing violence or hate. It's almost like, yet again, you're creating another strawman about my beliefs (which, funnily enough, still aren't the topic at hand) in lieu of an actual argument.

Well you made them a subject of debate when ranting about all police officers being traitors (yet wanting police officers punished by the legal system, not really sure how that works.
While your avatar shows political violence.
I mean if you want to claim to not support political violence, maybe an avatar of someone being assaulted is not the best idea...

[Fartsniffage]

Sometimes people lie. That's a risk one takes. I dunno about the US but in the UK the amount of benefit fraud is around 3%. People are generally honest.

The state doesn't judge people.

Sorry, I don't understand?

[Novus America]

I mean. What other rebuttal is there other than calling you a liar?

Ah, I guess I'm also somehow fucking lying about my hatred toward crimes against humanity.

Well, I'm done here responding to you, I suppose.

More what you claim are crimes against humanity are not necessarily actually so, and what you claim are not actually are.

[Torrocca]

Yes, because we all know those thousands of kids and elderly people - among others - being stuffed into these concentration camps are an existential threat to America. Riiight.



You do realize you're not making your arguments more appealing by continuously making up these piss-poor strawmen about my beliefs, right?



TIL'd having a desire to put an end to concentration camps = having a desire to create more concentration camps.

10/10



Nah, it's really not.

Detaining people temporarily while background and health checks can be conducted to ensure laws are enforced is actually protecting people but okay.

it sure is weird, then, how these concentration camps (a number of which, funnily enough, are for-profit) are detaining people practically indefinitely in deplorable conditions worse than actual prisons which hold bonafide rapists, murderers, and so on, among other people who've committed far worse than cross a line in the sand.

So what happens to those on the receiving end of your proposed system of political and “revolutionary” violence?
For someone claims to want to fight concentration camps you seem a okay so long as it is your opponents going into them.

Have you ever considered not strawmanning somebody for once in your life?

And yes, an “anarchist” claiming people should be punished to the full extent of the law is absolutely incoherent. While at the same time opposing law enforcement.

Yeah, it's really weird how I'm acknowledging and supporting what's currently the most realistic and nonviolent option possible for handling these agencies that are currently directly committing crimes against humanity on a massive scale.

[Torrocca]

Ah, I guess I'm also somehow fucking lying about my hatred toward crimes against humanity.

Well, I'm done here responding to you, I suppose.

More what you claim are crimes against humanity are not necessarily actually so, and what you claim are not actually are.

TIL'd stuffing thousands of people into concentration camps =/= a crime against humanity

10/10 as always, Novus.

[Telconi]

The state doesn't judge people.

Sorry, I don't understand?

Of course you don't.

[Fartsniffage]

Sorry, I don't understand?

Of course you don't.

Touche.

[Novus America]

Detaining people temporarily while background and health checks can be conducted to ensure laws are enforced is actually protecting people but okay.

it sure is weird, then, how these concentration camps (a number of which, funnily enough, are for-profit) are detaining people practically indefinitely in deplorable conditions worse than actual prisons which hold bonafide rapists, murderers, and so on, among other people who've committed far worse than cross a line in the sand.

So what happens to those on the receiving end of your proposed system of political and “revolutionary” violence?
For someone claims to want to fight concentration camps you seem a okay so long as it is your opponents going into them.

Have you ever considered not strawmanning somebody for once in your life?

And yes, an “anarchist” claiming people should be punished to the full extent of the law is absolutely incoherent. While at the same time opposing law enforcement.

Yeah, it's really weird how I'm acknowledging and supporting what's currently the most realistic and nonviolent option possible for handling these agencies that are currently directly committing crimes against humanity on a massive scale.

Again while your avatar shows political violence against your opponents.
Your gaslighting will not work. You really need to get better at it.
Gaslighting requires some subtlety.

Again the average length of stay is 30 days. Yes conditions need to improve and hopefully will as Congress has passed a bill to do so.

See saying something does not make it true, and regardless you still want to punish people with certain laws while not enforcing other laws. Punish people for enforcing the law by enforcing (well what your subjectively believe to be) the law?

[Novus America]

More what you claim are crimes against humanity are not necessarily actually so, and what you claim are not actually are.

TIL'd stuffing thousands of people into concentration camps =/= a crime against humanity

10/10 as always, Novus.

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.
Well this is getting too heated, and I do not want to take this any further.

[NERVUN]

Cops have twisted sense of humor, I'm shocked.

*** One week ban for trolling ***. You are on VERY thin ice. I'd toe the line if I were you.

[Fartsniffage]

TIL'd stuffing thousands of people into concentration camps =/= a crime against humanity

10/10 as always, Novus.

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.

[Torrocca]

it sure is weird, then, how these concentration camps (a number of which, funnily enough, are for-profit) are detaining people practically indefinitely in deplorable conditions worse than actual prisons which hold bonafide rapists, murderers, and so on, among other people who've committed far worse than cross a line in the sand.



Have you ever considered not strawmanning somebody for once in your life?



Yeah, it's really weird how I'm acknowledging and supporting what's currently the most realistic and nonviolent option possible for handling these agencies that are currently directly committing crimes against humanity on a massive scale.

Again while your avatar shows political violence against your opponents.
Your gaslighting will not work. You really need to get better at it.
Gaslighting requires some subtlety.

Holy shit these four sentences are hilarious. I guess I can't have a laugh at a joke gif of a Nazi soldier getting pied in the face now, because that somehow equates to me having a proposed system of political and revolutionary violence that I'm advocating for or some shit.

Again the average length of stay is 30 days. Yes conditions need to improve and hopefully will as Congress has passed a bill to do so.

Curiously enough, have you tried staying in a concrete cell with dozens of other people, no air conditioning, and barely any room to sleep on the floor with no bed or blanket for thirty days straight?

See saying something does not make it true, and regardless you still want to punish people with certain laws while not enforcing other laws. Punish people for enforcing the law by enforcing (while what your subjectively believe to be) the law?

It's almost like not all laws are good laws or something, and that punishing people by stuffing them by the thousands into concentration camps isn't the same as using the judicial system to punish the people running and maintaining those concentration camps.

But, nah, please keep firing off with your false equivalences here.

[Telconi]

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.

I presume they would, a government that doesn't know what it's doing would be bad.

And I really don't see anything wrong with the government not issuing visas to people who make a living off of badmouthing it's activities.

[Torrocca]

TIL'd stuffing thousands of people into concentration camps =/= a crime against humanity

10/10 as always, Novus.

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It's really not any more complex than that. The current government of the United States of America is forcing thousands of people into concentration camps against their will for the "crime" of crossing a line in the sand. And you're defending that.

[Novus America]

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.

Again obviously the conditions in the detainment facilities are inadequate (but again that is irrelevant to whether or not it is a “concentration camp” and they are not).
Yes the detainment conditions need improvement but again that is a more complex matter.

Thankfully Congress did pass a bill to address the lack of adequate detainment resources although it remains to be seen how good a job they did.

[Novus America]

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It's really not any more complex than that. The current government of the United States of America is forcing thousands of people into concentration camps against their will for the "crime" of crossing a line in the sand. And you're defending that.

Because you are not arguing in good faith, and liable to get us both warmed at best, enough. I am done arguing with you.

[Torrocca]

It's really not any more complex than that. The current government of the United States of America is forcing thousands of people into concentration camps against their will for the "crime" of crossing a line in the sand. And you're defending that.

Because you are not arguing in good faith,

Explain how. I've articulated my disdain for these concentration camps adequately enough, I think, despite you strawmanning me in your recent posts and bringing up wholly irrelevant things about my beliefs.

and liable to get us both warmed at best, enough. I am done arguing with you.

Okay then.

[Fartsniffage]

It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.

Again obviously the conditions in the detainment facilities are inadequate (but again that is irrelevant to whether or not it is a “concentration camp” and they are not).
Yes the detainment conditions need improvement but again that is a more complex matter.

Thankfully Congress did pass a bill to address the lack of adequate detainment resources although it remains to be seen how good a job they did.

Did it get through Trump?

[Loben The 2nd]

I mean maybe the situation we are dealing with is a bit more complex than that.

It actually isn't. You can tell by the US government refusing to issue visas to the people who look at internment facilities and report on them. Your government knows what they are doing and you are defending them.

And here I am, being told that trump was an incompetent moron?

Which one is it

[Nova Cyberia]

Again obviously the conditions in the detainment facilities are inadequate (but again that is irrelevant to whether or not it is a “concentration camp” and they are not).
Yes the detainment conditions need improvement but again that is a more complex matter.

Thankfully Congress did pass a bill to address the lack of adequate detainment resources although it remains to be seen how good a job they did.

Did it get through Trump?

He has not signed it or vetoed it yet.