buy chinese ?

[Heloin]

Rhodesia was created through an agreement between the BSAC and the Ndebele Kingdom. And it was 100% imperialism.

was there not an understanding that if the deal was not made, one side (the British) could bring in guns?

When China and Africa made those deals, I'm pretty the African side didn't think "well if I don't make this deal, China is going to send its military to invade or influence me, I better sign or not negotiate too hard." China doesn't press with the threat of military force.

that's the difference

No. The deal was made fairly and the Ndebele thought they were getting a good deal. The British just lied about what the deal meant, like what China does now. Seeing that you assumed the answer was going to be yes to that, your counterpoint doesn't really hold up against reality. Especially since China does press military threats against countries.

[The Black Forrest]

"Imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force."

What part of "through diplomacy or military force" do you not understand?

you're really stretching to apply to Chinese-African business dealings

No actually they are quite ruthless when it comes to business. My company had one of the billionaires out to talk about AI (he is a buddy of one of the CEO...we have two).

His messages?:

* bragged about the work ethic 996 which is nine to nine six days a week.
* He justified the theft of intellectual property as the copying of a master painting. They have more then a few companies and social media products which are US created and reverse engineered by them.
* The US shouldn't fear china and job loss. We can focus on the compassion industry. After all why do computers, etc. when you can be a nurse.
* China will own the US in the matters of AI. This I am seeing. You can't trail blaze (or rediscover an old field) when you are driven by short term profit. My company will tell you we do AI. We do enough to say we do. No real research is going on.
* He bragged about a 1 dollarish wage for many people. It's job creation after all.

Don't simply view them as a kind magnanimous people when it comes to mass profit chances.....

[Ethel mermania]

you're really stretching to apply to Chinese-African business dealings

No actually they are quite ruthless when it comes to business. My company had one of the billionaires out to talk about AI (he is a buddy of one of the CEO...we have two).

His messages?:

* bragged about the work ethic 996 which is nine to nine six days a week.
* He justified the theft of intellectual property as the copying of a master painting. They have more then a few companies and social media products which are US created and reverse engineered by them.
* The US shouldn't fear china and job loss. We can focus on the compassion industry. After all why do computers, etc. when you can be a nurse.
* China will own the US in the matters of AI. This I am seeing. You can't trail blaze (or rediscover an old field) when you are driven by short term profit. My company will tell you we do AI. We do enough to say we do. No real research is going on.
* He bragged about a 1 dollarish wage for many people. It's job creation after all.

Don't simply view them as a kind magnanimous people when it comes to mass profit chances.....

The Modern PRC is the result of the children of Mao and Deng, going to the London school of economics and Harvard business school, and getting all A's.

[Napkizemlja]

I'd rather buy Indian, it has more flavor to it. Basmati rice gang.

[Merni]

I'd rather buy Indian, it has more flavor to it. Basmati rice gang.

Agree, I try not to buy any imported stuff, but if I have to, other Asian > Chinese > anything else.

Also, *flavour.

[Napkizemlja]

I'd rather buy Indian, it has more flavor to it. Basmati rice gang.

Agree, I try not to buy any imported stuff, but if I have to, other Asian > Chinese > anything else.

Also, *flavour.

This is American English gang coming here to dab on the unnecessary inclusion of "u".

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Like with Christmas

General tso's chicken is the holy food of my people , its is known.

General Tso chicken is holy.

[Ethel mermania]

General tso's chicken is the holy food of my people , its is known.

General Tso chicken is holy.

See, you could be Jewish.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

General Tso chicken is holy.

See, you could be Jewish.

Just no wigs, thank you.

[Galloism]

No, I’m fact they bought the oil fields in Iran fair and square, and squeezed the Iranian government to let them export the oil at an extremely deep cut price.

They use currency manipulation to force nearby countries to capitulate to their demands, and steal technology from countries across the globe. They then use influence campaigns to try to turn citizens in other countries against their governments.

We may invade a place, then we pour money into it and rebuild what we broke. We’re not nice people, but nothing like the PRC.

Shrewd business is fair play

Besides, the US and it’s allies engage in similarly shrewd practices on top of actually sending soldiers to invade countries in other continents

It's not really just "shrewd business". Try this on for size.

Let's say I promise to buy something in GalloDollars. GalloDollars worth exactly $1 USD at the time. We have a contract to buy oil at $100 GalloDollars per barrel.

Then, I collapse GalloDollars until they are worth only $0.05 USD, but still insist on buying at $100 GalloDollars per barrel.

Oh, and if you try to renege, I will destabilize your country and have you killed.

That's China.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

IM you have serious issues. Stop making up your own definitions for words and acknowledge that China is just as bad as if not worse than America.

[Galloism]

IM you have serious issues. Stop making up your own definitions for words and acknowledge that China is just as bad as if not worse than America.

Unironically, Vietnam is taking the United States' side in the trade war and has slapped tariffs on China.

I mean, we had some arguments years ago, but they realized over time that we're really nice people - comparatively speaking.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

IM you have serious issues. Stop making up your own definitions for words and acknowledge that China is just as bad as if not worse than America.

Unironically, Vietnam is taking the United States' side in the trade war and has slapped tariffs on China.

I mean, we had some arguments years ago, but they realized over time that we're really nice people - comparatively speaking.

The United States isn't nice at all

[Castelia]

The United States isn't nice at all

They certainly aren't. But I'll take the United States over the PRC any day.

[Galloism]

Unironically, Vietnam is taking the United States' side in the trade war and has slapped tariffs on China.

I mean, we had some arguments years ago, but they realized over time that we're really nice people - comparatively speaking.

The United States isn't nice at all

Compared to the PRC we're just peachy.

[Ethel mermania]

IM you have serious issues. Stop making up your own definitions for words and acknowledge that China is just as bad as if not worse than America.

Unironically, Vietnam is taking the United States' side in the trade war and has slapped tariffs on China.

I mean, we had some arguments years ago, but they realized over time that we're really nice people - comparatively speaking.

It's just good business

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 6616888074

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The United States isn't nice at all

They certainly aren't. But I'll take the United States over the PRC any day.

Same

[Galloism]

Unironically, Vietnam is taking the United States' side in the trade war and has slapped tariffs on China.

I mean, we had some arguments years ago, but they realized over time that we're really nice people - comparatively speaking.

It's just good business

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 6616888074

Quark approves.

[Infected Mushroom]

was there not an understanding that if the deal was not made, one side (the British) could bring in guns?

When China and Africa made those deals, I'm pretty the African side didn't think "well if I don't make this deal, China is going to send its military to invade or influence me, I better sign or not negotiate too hard." China doesn't press with the threat of military force.

that's the difference

No. The deal was made fairly and the Ndebele thought they were getting a good deal. The British just lied about what the deal meant, like what China does now. Seeing that you assumed the answer was going to be yes to that, your counterpoint doesn't really hold up against reality. Especially since China does press military threats against countries.

China has made no military threats against Africa

All deals with the Africans with the British had a specter of the use of military force, hence why its imperialistic

[Infected Mushroom]

you're really stretching to apply to Chinese-African business dealings

No actually they are quite ruthless when it comes to business. My company had one of the billionaires out to talk about AI (he is a buddy of one of the CEO...we have two).

His messages?:

* bragged about the work ethic 996 which is nine to nine six days a week.
* He justified the theft of intellectual property as the copying of a master painting. They have more then a few companies and social media products which are US created and reverse engineered by them.
* The US shouldn't fear china and job loss. We can focus on the compassion industry. After all why do computers, etc. when you can be a nurse.
* China will own the US in the matters of AI. This I am seeing. You can't trail blaze (or rediscover an old field) when you are driven by short term profit. My company will tell you we do AI. We do enough to say we do. No real research is going on.
* He bragged about a 1 dollarish wage for many people. It's job creation after all.

Don't simply view them as a kind magnanimous people when it comes to mass profit chances.....

This is just shrewd business

I personally think in general, nice people very rarely succeed at business

[Heloin]

No. The deal was made fairly and the Ndebele thought they were getting a good deal. The British just lied about what the deal meant, like what China does now. Seeing that you assumed the answer was going to be yes to that, your counterpoint doesn't really hold up against reality. Especially since China does press military threats against countries.

China has made no military threats against Africa

All deals with the Africans with the British had a specter of the use of military force, hence why its imperialistic

Because direct threats don't make them look good to the business partners China needs to survive. Namely America and the Europe. But look to the influences behind the coup in Zimbabwe in 2017 and the current destabilisation in the Sudan.

I don't see how you can't understand. An African who has seen and knows the effects of Chinese Imperialism is telling you it's a real and serious issue. And you're trying to tell me it's not real?

[Infected Mushroom]

China has made no military threats against Africa

All deals with the Africans with the British had a specter of the use of military force, hence why its imperialistic

Because direct threats don't make them look good to the business partners China needs to survive. Namely America and the Europe. But look to the influences behind the coup in Zimbabwe in 2017 and the current destabilisation in the Sudan.

I don't see how you can't understand. An African who has seen and knows the effects of Chinese Imperialism is telling you it's a real and serious issue. And you're trying to tell me it's not real?

I’m not denying that every business deal makes some better off than others, some may even lose out, but the important thing is that both sides make some gains

So long as that happens and with the deal being made without military coercion, even where one party might gain more then the other... so long as both sides gain at least something it’s not imperialism

Some people in Africa may be upset, but China is not the problem. Globalization and capitalism are. Calling business deals imperialism isn’t on point.

[Heloin]

Because direct threats don't make them look good to the business partners China needs to survive. Namely America and the Europe. But look to the influences behind the coup in Zimbabwe in 2017 and the current destabilisation in the Sudan.

I don't see how you can't understand. An African who has seen and knows the effects of Chinese Imperialism is telling you it's a real and serious issue. And you're trying to tell me it's not real?

I’m not denying that every business deal makes some better off than others, some may even lose out, but the important thing is that both sides make some gains

So long as that happens and with the deal being made without military coercion, even where one party might gain more then the other... so long as both sides gain at least something it’s not imperialism

Some people in Africa may be upset, but China is not the problem. Globalization and capitalism are. Calling business deals imperialism isn’t on point.

You don't know a lot about Imperialism do you?

imperialism noun
/ɪmˈpɪriəˌlɪzəm/
[uncountable] (usually disapproving)
-a system in which one country controls other countries, often after defeating them in a war
Roman imperialism
-the fact of a powerful country increasing its influence over other countries through business, culture, etc.
cultural/economic imperialism

[Never Whatever]

Why would I even bother, when I'm eating ramen noodles, buy clothes from thrift shops, and buy stationaries from the dollar store. I can't whine too much, they're currently producing cheap stuffs for their foreign consumers which not many countries are willing to do so.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m not denying that every business deal makes some better off than others, some may even lose out, but the important thing is that both sides make some gains

So long as that happens and with the deal being made without military coercion, even where one party might gain more then the other... so long as both sides gain at least something it’s not imperialism

Some people in Africa may be upset, but China is not the problem. Globalization and capitalism are. Calling business deals imperialism isn’t on point.

You don't know a lot about Imperialism do you?

imperialism noun
/ɪmˈpɪriəˌlɪzəm/
[uncountable] (usually disapproving)
-a system in which one country controls other countries, often after defeating them in a war
Roman imperialism
-the fact of a powerful country increasing its influence over other countries through business, culture, etc.
cultural/economic imperialism

Providing capital to African nations in exchange for part of the profits isn’t imperialism

If they become dependent on the continued influx of capital, that is not China’s problem. China offered them a beneficial deal when no one else did it could.

If Africans call China an imperial power, then truth be told they are being ungrateful towards a country that is engaged in business dealings with them and providing them with the tools to develop

Does China get something out of it? Of course. It’s business what do you expect? But African leaders made the deal and continue to make them because they gain too.