Iran vs the US Thread

[Fartsniffage]

Who says it was an anti-ship missile? Terrorists are hardly renowned for only using weapons in their designed role.

So the terrorists somehow have a bird that can fire a AGM at a ship....

Why an AGM?

[Gig em Aggies]

Small anti-ship missiles don't on the whole.

To be fair, can we be sure that whoever attacked the oil tankers had access to anti-ship missiles in the first place, assuming the crew reports are indeed accurate?

what makes you so certain it was an ASM? got proof like you have been asking us for.

[Salandriagado]

Who says it was an anti-ship missile? Terrorists are hardly renowned for only using weapons in their designed role.

So the terrorists somehow have a bird that can fire a AGM at a ship....

Literally any device capable of firing such a thing is capable of firing it at a ship. And, again, nobody ever said that it was fired from the air: it could just as easily have been fired from a small boat.

[Rio Cana]

Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

Counter theory. It was the Chinese trying to take eyes of what is happening in Hong Kong with the added bonus of disrupting oil supply to Taiwan.

Problem with this theory is that China needs Iran s oil. They are also investing billions in the oil industry in that nation. So a major war in Iran would do great harm to there investments.

[Torrocca]

To be fair, can we be sure that whoever attacked the oil tankers had access to anti-ship missiles in the first place, assuming the crew reports are indeed accurate?

what makes you so certain it was an ASM? got proof like you have been asking us for.

I never said it was an anti-ship missile.

[Torrocca]

So the terrorists somehow have a bird that can fire a AGM at a ship....

Literally any device capable of firing such a thing is capable of firing it at a ship. And, again, nobody ever said that it was fired from the air: it could just as easily have been fired from a small boat.

Nah, RPGs aren't real, and it's totally not like they've ever been fired from a boat at any point in history ever to shoot a ship /s

[Gig em Aggies]

what makes you so certain it was an ASM? got proof like you have been asking us for.

I never said it was an anti-ship missile.

whoever attacked the oil tankers had access to anti-ship missiles in the first place

what was that you didn't say it was an asm even though its right here in the quoted statement.

[Loben The 2nd]

Literally any device capable of firing such a thing is capable of firing it at a ship. And, again, nobody ever said that it was fired from the air: it could just as easily have been fired from a small boat.

Nah, RPGs aren't real, and it's totally not like they've ever been fired from a boat at any point in history ever to shoot a ship /s

Any RPG that can cripple a tanker?

[Fartsniffage]

I never said it was an anti-ship missile.

whoever attacked the oil tankers had access to anti-ship missiles in the first place

what was that you didn't say it was an asm even though its right here in the quoted statement.

Dude. That edit was just sad. Be better.

[Torrocca]

Nah, RPGs aren't real, and it's totally not like they've ever been fired from a boat at any point in history ever to shoot a ship /s

Any RPG that can cripple a tanker?

I'm sure one could if it was used to put enough holes into a tanker.

I never said it was an anti-ship missile.

whoever attacked the oil tankers had access to anti-ship missiles in the first place

what was that you didn't say it was an asm even though its right here in the quoted statement.

Ah, I see you're completely editing my post to change the context of it and make it seem like I was saying something I didn't say. Amazing.

[Gig em Aggies]

what was that you didn't say it was an asm even though its right here in the quoted statement.

Dude. That edit was just sad. Be better.

well im tired plus English wasn't my best subject in school

[Rojava Free State]

thud thud thud that's the sound of the drums of war beating

Israel and Saudi Arabia haven't reached their war crime quotas for the year yet, they need America to help them catch up.

[Novus America]

thud thud thud that's the sound of the drums of war beating

Israel and Saudi Arabia haven't reached their war crime quotas for the year yet, they need America to help them catch up.

Any evidence this was a Saudi/Israeli plot instead of Iran?

[Fartsniffage]

thud thud thud that's the sound of the drums of war beating

Israel and Saudi Arabia haven't reached their war crime quotas for the year yet, they need America to help them catch up.

Any evidence this was a Saudi/Israeli plot instead of Iran?

I'm telling you, it was China.

[Torrocca]

Any evidence this was a Saudi/Israeli plot instead of Iran?

I'm telling you, it was China.

Have we crossed Antarctica off the list of suspects, yet? Those penguins have been seeming awfully suspicious lately...

[Great Minarchistan]

I can already sniff the sweet smell of napalm and shale oil in the morning

[Warfare Operations and Recon Management]

The brainrot is so strong with this thread.

[Great Minarchistan]

actually the raytheon merger finally makes sense now, guess they were anticipating another global war on terror against the middle east

[Aclion]

Who says it was an anti-ship missile? Terrorists are hardly renowned for only using weapons in their designed role.

except if a terrorist group were to have committed the attacks what would be the end goal? plus they would use suicide bombers like in the case of the USS Cole in Yemen. They wouldn't use anti-ship missiles to attack four tanker ships with a max of maybe 30-40 people terrorist groups want mass death so an anti-ship missile launched at a cruise ship would do better then an oil tanker.

Unless their goal wasn't to kill as many people but instead to drive up the price of oil by disrupting oil shipments through the Persian gulf. You know, like the last time this happened.

[Warfare Operations and Recon Management]

[Duhon]

Japanese owner of attacked tanker accuses US of spreading fake news about tanker attacks

[North German Realm]

Ah, I love the smell of ignorant Americans in the morning. Not knowing anything about the region and the actors in it, and making their assumptions about it nonetheless with no primary argument but "oraneg mna bad". It's nothing new, but it gets more annoying when it's about your own country.

you mean Lebanon where saudi backed Islamist spilled in and began murdering people during the Syrian civil war?
Syria where those militants spent most of the time burning churches and murdering minorities?
Palestine where Israel constantly shoots kids and bulldozes people's houses
And Yemen where saudi airstrikes are massacring the local population?

I guess Mossad is out in full force on nation states today. I can smell the presence of war hawk foreigners

I'm literally an Iranian lmao.

Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

This is actually the most likely possibility, which is probably what anyone who's actually aware of what's happening in Iran will tell you.

[Duhon]

Two types of people here are hilarious. The type that try to rationalize actions taken by the Islamic Republic as if Iran's being led by Rational Actors (and thus reach the rational conclusion that Iran couldn't have been responsible) and the type that try to pretend Trump gives a fuck what the Republicans or the Democrats in the Congress say.

The tankers are almost definitely Iran's fault, and they will result in absolutely nothing, unless the UN separately decides it was Iran, and a country independent of the US decides this is a casus belli for war. Trump isn't going to start a war with Iran just because Iran did something stupid. Iran's been doing stupid shit of this grade for years now, and he's have invaded a year ago if he actually had an invasion in mind. Bolton may be playing the drums of war, but that's because Iran is under the pretense that it can somehow "Win" with neither fighting nor negotiating -by outliving the sanctions, somehow- and so is trying to test the waters and see if they can trigger the US into declaring war first.

Why would the mullahs want to provoke the US into war? What would they get if they do get their war? And if war is what they want, why attack non-US tankers?

I've dismissed this an Iranian action out of hand due tp John Bolton wanting this shit so damn hard -- and, yes, that Khamenei et al being rational actors, but if there is reason to think of thsm having delusions of grandeur that's leading Iran right to John Bolton's walrus mustache, let's have it.

If you've replied to this, I haven't seen it.

[Neanderthaland]

Ah, I love the smell of ignorant Americans in the morning. Not knowing anything about the region and the actors in it, and making their assumptions about it nonetheless with no primary argument but "oraneg mna bad". It's nothing new, but it gets more annoying when it's about your own country.

you mean Lebanon where saudi backed Islamist spilled in and began murdering people during the Syrian civil war?
Syria where those militants spent most of the time burning churches and murdering minorities?
Palestine where Israel constantly shoots kids and bulldozes people's houses
And Yemen where saudi airstrikes are massacring the local population?

I guess Mossad is out in full force on nation states today. I can smell the presence of war hawk foreigners

I'm literally an Iranian lmao.

Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

This is actually the most likely possibility, which is probably what anyone who's actually aware of what's happening in Iran will tell you.

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense for Iran to knowingly jeopardize it's own trade through the Gulf. But elements within Iran stupidly picking a fight is totally plausible.

[Flawless Walruses]

you mean Lebanon where saudi backed Islamist spilled in and began murdering people during the Syrian civil war?
Syria where those militants spent most of the time burning churches and murdering minorities?
Palestine where Israel constantly shoots kids and bulldozes people's houses
And Yemen where saudi airstrikes are massacring the local population?

I guess Mossad is out in full force on nation states today. I can smell the presence of war hawk foreigners

I'm literally an Iranian lmao.

Maryam Rajavi, is that you? And how did your exiled band of cultists manage to rent John Bolton? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/bolton-and-the-mek/