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Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

Counter theory. It was the Chinese trying to take eyes of what is happening in Hong Kong with the added bonus of disrupting oil supply to Taiwan.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

That I could see the IRGC seems to act like the CIA (Or the SS) in the sense that they act how they will without bothering to get their government's permission and they see themselves as their own thing.

Scomagia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:So, among other's putting into question the USA's almost-immediate accusations of this being an Iranian attack is the owner of the Japanese tanker that was attacked, who's saying that first-hand reports from his ship's crew talk about being attacked by what was likely a missile hitting their ship, not mines exploding.

This isn't to say Iran is or isn't responsible, just that the US accusations are heavily contradictory to first-hand reports.

Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"

Let's blame the Maine on Spain.

Torrocca wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"

Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.

Scomagia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
I wouldn't call them just eyewitnesses, seeing as how they were the victims of what's at the very least attempted mass-murder. Also, considering it's not just one crew member's report, but multiple reports from multiple crew members, it has way more credibility than Mike Pompeo almost immediately screeching "IRAN DID IT!!1!"

Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.

And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?

snippy

Torrocca wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Not really. People wrongly remember normal things they just saw, to say nothing of a chaotic event.

And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?

I just fucking told you. People can credit things that happened before or after traumatic events as being causative or related to the event when they aren't. Multiple eyewitnesses can, in fact, reinforce the false perceptions. Seriously. I find them as uncredible as Pompeo.

Scomagia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
And multiple people independently claiming a similar event happened (who were victims of that event, mind you) don't have more credibility than somebody halfway across the world immediately screaming about who the perpetrator is not even a day after the events unfolded because... why, exactly?

I just fucking told you. People can credit things that happened before or after traumatic events as being causative or related to the event when they aren't. Multiple eyewitnesses can, in fact, reinforce the false perceptions. Seriously. I find them as uncredible as Pompeo.

"But me and my buddies saw Bigfoot, man!"

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

It was either Aliens, Poseidon, or King Orm where's Aquaman when you need him

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Theory time: it was neither the US nor the Iranian government, it was the IRGC running rampant with no oversight trying to get back at us for declaring them a terror organization.

This has literally been my thoughts the entire time.

Oh I just love having an ignorant chicken-hawk as our Commander In Chief.

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Scomagia wrote:I just fucking told you. People can credit things that happened before or after traumatic events as being causative or related to the event when they aren't. Multiple eyewitnesses can, in fact, reinforce the false perceptions. Seriously. I find them as uncredible as Pompeo.

"But me and my buddies saw Bigfoot, man!"

Fuckin' a right.

Scomagia wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
"But me and my buddies saw Bigfoot, man!"

Fuckin' a right.

bigfoot is American around them parts its called the Yeti

Gig em Aggies wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Fuckin' a right.

bigfoot is American around them parts its called the Yeti

Iran has Yetis?

Gig em Aggies wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Fuckin' a right.

bigfoot is American around them parts its called the Yeti

Hey, Bigfoot goes on vacation, too!

Scomagia wrote:

Gig em Aggies wrote:bigfoot is American around them parts its called the Yeti

Hey, Bigfoot goes on vacation, too!

His passport photo is just blurry as fuck though.

Scomagia wrote:I see people are still jumping the gun and whacking off to the "durr, false flag, durr" conspiracy theories. I am unsurprised.

Desperate to cling to the delusional belief that Iran can be a rational actor and that we’re the problem.

Or, just as likely, desperate to cling to their comfortable lives.

Guys, we’re taking about BOLTON, the man who wants war with Iran. Back in Kennedy’s day Operations Northwoods wanted to attack a US vessel and frame Cuba for it for war...

Fartsniffage wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Hey, Bigfoot goes on vacation, too!

His passport photo is just blurry as fuck though.

Well, Bigfoot himself is blurry.

Skip to 2:20. https://youtu.be/ax0MGlIVjiY

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Guys, we’re taking about BOLTON, the man who wants war with Iran. Back in Kennedy’s day Operations Northwoods wanted to attack a US vessel and frame Cuba for it for war...

And?

https://japantoday.com/category/nationa ... ore-attack
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.common ... ying%3famp
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/japa ... d-n1017556
See, I WAS right. It wasn’t iran

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://japantoday.com/category/national/Ship-operator-says-sailors-saw-'flying-objects'-just-before-attack
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.common ... ying%3famp
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/japa ... d-n1017556
See, I WAS right. It wasn’t iran

Eye witness reports, known for their unreliability.

Loben The 2nd wrote:

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Guys, we’re taking about BOLTON, the man who wants war with Iran. Back in Kennedy’s day Operations Northwoods wanted to attack a US vessel and frame Cuba for it for war...

And?

The fact that Bolton is an asshat and there have been plans for false flags means that this definitely is one. Totally. It's not a dumbass assumption or anything.