Iran vs the US Thread

[North German Realm]

Let's ignore history and reality, yeah? Iran was totally not threatening to do those things or even done them in the past. Nooo, it HAS to be a false flag.

Its not like they said they would do this exact thing a month or two ago

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

[North German Realm]

Let's ignore history and reality, yeah? Iran was totally not threatening to do those things or even done them in the past. Nooo, it HAS to be a false flag.

Its not like they said they would do this exact thing a month or two ago

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

[Sundowers]

Its not like they said they would do this exact thing a month or two ago

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

Its not like they attacked hundreds of ships over the last 40 years. Or even mined a US destroyer.


On another note, why did Iran lie about rescuing the crews lol

[North German Realm]

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

Its not like they attacked hundreds of ships over the last 40 years. Or even mined a US destroyer.


On another note, why did Iran lie about rescuing the crews lol

As a general rule of law, Javad Zarif is literally a modern Ribbentrop (and this is accepted even in Iran itself too, though the regime is no fan of advertising it). He only lies when his mouth moves.

[Nihon koku]

Its not like they said they would do this exact thing a month or two ago

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

The one in May that Iran called for international investigations over?

[Sundowers]

It's not like they did this exact thing a few months ago.

The one in May that Iran called for international investigations over?

Not to nit pick but I think that incident used a suicde drone and C4 placed by frogmen

[Nihon koku]

The one in May that Iran called for international investigations over?

Not to nit pick but I think that incident used a suicde drone and C4 placed by frogmen

The investigation that was done came to the conclusion that mines were placed only in a way to cause damage, not sink the ships or detonate their cargoes.

“The four attacks were part of a sophisticated and co-ordinated operation carried out by an actor with significant operational capacity, most likely a state actor.”

Now I know the US and Israel have first rate special operators. Does Iran's Revolutionary Guard have a reputation for this kind of skill?

[Vassenor]

Not to nit pick but I think that incident used a suicde drone and C4 placed by frogmen

The investigation that was done came to the conclusion that mines were placed only in a way to cause damage, not sink the ships or detonate their cargoes.

“The four attacks were part of a sophisticated and co-ordinated operation carried out by an actor with significant operational capacity, most likely a state actor.”

Now I know the US and Israel have first rate special operators. Does Iran's Revolutionary Guard have a reputation for this kind of skill?

But the US government said it was Iran and the US Government would never lie to justify starting a war.

[Uan aa Boa]

I'm sure that more videos will emerge shortly, but I am more inclined to believe a claim if there is a video of it, sure.

“The four attacks were part of a sophisticated and co-ordinated operation carried out by an actor with significant operational capacity, most likely a state actor.”

Now I know the US and Israel have first rate special operators. Does Iran's Revolutionary Guard have a reputation for this kind of skill?

No offence NCR, I'm sure your maritime investigative skills are considerable, but perhaps this isn't the sort of question best decided by someone putting a video on the internet for members of the public to make their own assessment. And the UAE report might well be really good too, but I can't help remembering when Iraq had WMD ready to launch in 45 minutes.

I don't think you necessarily need a tinfoil hat to be hesitant about believing what we're being told.

[Nihon koku]

The investigation that was done came to the conclusion that mines were placed only in a way to cause damage, not sink the ships or detonate their cargoes.


Now I know the US and Israel have first rate special operators. Does Iran's Revolutionary Guard have a reputation for this kind of skill?

But the US government said it was Iran and the US Government would never lie to justify starting a war.

Would the US Government really do that? Go on the news and lie about something in the Middle East?

[Vassenor]

But the US government said it was Iran and the US Government would never lie to justify starting a war.

Would the US Government really do that? Go on the news and lie about something in the Middle East?

#weaponsofmassdestruction

#fortyfiveminutes

[Quintanilla]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06- ... cts-attack

The Japanese company that owns the tanker disagrees with the assertion that the ship was damaged by mines, saying that the crew saw flying objects in the air heading for the ship before it got hit.

Lol, Iran was right.

[Heloin]

Great, Khataiy's all jacked up for a war he won't fight in. Fucking great.

There wont be a war.

Everytime NSG says something will cause a war it doesnt happen.

A broken clock is right twice a war. As the saying goes.

[Vassenor]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/japanese-tanker-owner-denies-ship-hit-mine-says-crew-saw-flying-objects-attack

The Japanese company that owns the tanker disagrees with the assertion that the ship was damaged by mines, saying that the crew saw flying objects in the air heading for the ship before it got hit.

Lol, Iran was right.

But the US government said it was Iranian mines and the US government would never lie.

[The Alma Mater]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

Oil ? Uranium. Iran has a lot; but we do not want the Iranians to mine it.

[Caracasus]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/japanese-tanker-owner-denies-ship-hit-mine-says-crew-saw-flying-objects-attack

The Japanese company that owns the tanker disagrees with the assertion that the ship was damaged by mines, saying that the crew saw flying objects in the air heading for the ship before it got hit.

Lol, Iran was right.

Eh, doesn't prove definitvely either way. Human memory is faliable and while it wouldn't be the first time that attacks have been flat out fabricated against US interests to provoke a war - and we absolutely should take anything the US says with roughly three metric fucktonnes of salt, this doesn't completely rule out an Iranian friendly group conducting the attacks.

But yeah, doesn't exactly do wonders for the US side of things really.

[Loben The 2nd]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/japanese-tanker-owner-denies-ship-hit-mine-says-crew-saw-flying-objects-attack

The Japanese company that owns the tanker disagrees with the assertion that the ship was damaged by mines, saying that the crew saw flying objects in the air heading for the ship before it got hit.

Lol, Iran was right.

Flying objects? Like drones? Missiles?

[Novus America]

#gulfoftonkin

I maintain that the reasoning for American intervention in the affairs of Vietnam was a sound one, and no matter what context they entered it, the primary argument ("If we don't contain the communists here, they'll win in Vietnam and then take over all of East Asia") was a sound argument, and it happened exactly as feared the moment The US left Vietnam.

Actually two years after the US left, but still.

[Novus America]

The investigation that was done came to the conclusion that mines were placed only in a way to cause damage, not sink the ships or detonate their cargoes.


Now I know the US and Israel have first rate special operators. Does Iran's Revolutionary Guard have a reputation for this kind of skill?

But the US government said it was Iran and the US Government would never lie to justify starting a war.

If not Iran who attached the ships?

[North German Realm]

I maintain that the reasoning for American intervention in the affairs of Vietnam was a sound one, and no matter what context they entered it, the primary argument ("If we don't contain the communists here, they'll win in Vietnam and then take over all of East Asia") was a sound argument, and it happened exactly as feared the moment The US left Vietnam.

Actually two years after the US left, but still.

Yeah, but one can't deny that the domino theory was a real, legitimate threat and one that actually turned out to be correct. Of course, Vietnam was a shitshow and the domino theory really couldn't be avoided, but "this is another Tonkin" is really a stupid argument, especially as the primary arguments behind Vietnam were correct and actually happened.

[Loben The 2nd]

But the US government said it was Iran and the US Government would never lie to justify starting a war.

If not Iran who attached the ships?

Irate fishermen?

The saudis? USN pilots who saw red when they saw a Japanese flagged ship?

[Quintanilla]

If not Iran who attached the ships?

Irate fishermen?

The saudis? USN pilots who saw red when they saw a Japanese flagged ship?

False flagging Saudis/Emiratis/Israelis would fit the bill just as well as Iranians would. Or Americans. We had the idea as far back as 1960 with Cuba and Operation Northwoods.

[Maydona]

Almost as fake as the Marco Polo Bridge Incident.

Let us see how this continues to play out.

[Novus America]

Oh. Ohh. Ohhh-HAHAHAHA. Incompetence is no guarantee that one will be ousted whatsoever, just look at human history.

I am absolutely certain that the Iranian administration has its fair share of incompetent members, of course. That's not what I was arguing though. My point is that they're not utterly disconnected from reality to the point they'd sanction an atrack against oil tankers as things stand at the moment.

The Iranian regime doing irrational insane things is not unknown
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
WTF was the logic there?

I would not say everyone in the Iranian regime is incapable of rational thought.
But certainly there are people in the Iranian regime that are not completely rational.

Also given the bizarre structure of the regime it is possible one part of the regime has no understanding of what another part is doing.

[North German Realm]

I am absolutely certain that the Iranian administration has its fair share of incompetent members, of course. That's not what I was arguing though. My point is that they're not utterly disconnected from reality to the point they'd sanction an atrack against oil tankers as things stand at the moment.

The Iranian regime doing irrational insane things is not unknown
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing
WTF was the logic there?

I would not say everyone in the Iranian regime is incapable of rational thought.
But certainly there are people in the Iranian regime that are not completely rational.

Also given the bizarre structure of the regime it is possible one part of the regime has no understanding of what another part is doing.

The country, despite being a unitary state, has nearly self-autonomous Vatican-grade religious cities doing their own shit (in Mashhad and Qom), the country has two different armed forces that have a history of fucking up when doing joint operations (mostly because the latter -IRGC- is really bad at doing things in general). One of the two Armed Forces does its own business in the country (literally has its hands in nearly every single business that has "shares"), and the various intelligence Services are at each others' throat as much as they are at the people's.