Iran vs the US Thread

[Greed and Death]

We cant have the world's oil supply risked. Full invasion, anyone disagreeing is a counter revolutionary spreading misinformation.

[Duhon]

Two types of people here are hilarious. The type that try to rationalize actions taken by the Islamic Republic as if Iran's being led by Rational Actors (and thus reach the rational conclusion that Iran couldn't have been responsible) and the type that try to pretend Trump gives a fuck what the Republicans or the Democrats in the Congress say.

The tankers are almost definitely Iran's fault, and they will result in absolutely nothing, unless the UN separately decides it was Iran, and a country independent of the US decides this is a casus belli for war. Trump isn't going to start a war with Iran just because Iran did something stupid. Iran's been doing stupid shit of this grade for years now, and he's have invaded a year ago if he actually had an invasion in mind. Bolton may be playing the drums of war, but that's because Iran is under the pretense that it can somehow "Win" with neither fighting nor negotiating -by outliving the sanctions, somehow- and so is trying to test the waters and see if they can trigger the US into declaring war first.

Why would the mullahs want to provoke the US into war? What would they get if they do get their war? And if war is what they want, why attack non-US tankers?

I've dismissed this an Iranian action out of hand due tp John Bolton wanting this shit so damn hard -- and, yes, that Khamenei et al being rational actors, but if there is reason to think of thsm having delusions of grandeur that's leading Iran right to John Bolton's walrus mustache, let's have it.

[Risottia]

We cant have the world's oil supply risked. Full invasion, anyone disagreeing is a counter revolutionary spreading misinformation.

Damn King George and his counter revolutionary lackeys! Remember Bunker Hill!

[Rojava Free State]

Two types of people here are hilarious. The type that try to rationalize actions taken by the Islamic Republic as if Iran's being led by Rational Actors (and thus reach the rational conclusion that Iran couldn't have been responsible) and the type that try to pretend Trump gives a fuck what the Republicans or the Democrats in the Congress say.

The tankers are almost definitely Iran's fault, and they will result in absolutely nothing, unless the UN separately decides it was Iran, and a country independent of the US decides this is a casus belli for war. Trump isn't going to start a war with Iran just because Iran did something stupid. Iran's been doing stupid shit of this grade for years now, and he's have invaded a year ago if he actually had an invasion in mind. Bolton may be playing the drums of war, but that's because Iran is under the pretense that it can somehow "Win" with neither fighting nor negotiating -by outliving the sanctions, somehow- and so is trying to test the waters and see if they can trigger the US into declaring war first.

Yeah cause that's what happened with iraq...oh wait

John bolton is poking a wasp nest with a stick in an attempt to start a war for the interests of vengeful American neocons, weapons firms, Israel and Saudi arabia. Iran is no symbol of freedom and justice, but this isn't our war to fight. If you think it is, go enlist in the military, lead the charge into the beaches of the Persian gulf. Don't just cheer on from your armchair as American servicemen die meaningless horrific deaths in the straights of hormuz while the president, bolton, pompeo, the Israeli government, the saudi family, and all 12 Americans who support an Iran war get to watch it on tv from the comfort of their office, home, palace or cave.

[Rojava Free State]

And frankly your problem is that you're assuming that the people who make up Iran's government are not capable of rational thought. If they weren't capable or willing to think things through and plan ahead, they simply would no longer be in charge of the country.

Oh. Ohh. Ohhh-HAHAHAHA. Incompetence is no guarantee that one will be ousted whatsoever, just look at human history.

If incompetence was the downfall of a leader, every president from trump all the way back to kennedy would have been removed in a military coup.

[Rojava Free State]

When I first heard of this, I dare say, the idea that Russians did it came to mind. They would benefit from increased conflict (and American commitment) in the middle-east, even if I suppose it does put one of their allies at disadvantage, and it certainly isn't the only time they would have committed such a brazen act.

Of course, the saner alternative is that the Iranians actually did so and the fact that western intelligence agencies have had a history of condemning them for their actions suggests that they aren't as innocent a state-actor as some might pretend—certainly their presence in Syria, where their revolutionary guard has been, at the least, complicit in war crimes; although, that said, it is a very dirty war all around.

The fact western intelligence agencies condemn them means nothing. I agree that Iran is not a nice place to live and they do fund terrorists, but western intelligence is prone to holding grudges against certain nations for making America look dumb, often lies to the public or gets faulty information from on the ground and is made up of human beings who make mistakes and also can be extremely flawed. I believe Iran is a sharia state cause everyone says it is. Western intelligence saying Iran attacked this Japanese cargo ship is just western intelligence saying something. It's like someone saying trickle down economics works. Maybe it does and maybe it doesnt. Just cause someone says it a million times doesn't mean it's true, and the gulf of Tonkin incident highlighted a major issue with "intelligence," something the intelligence community often lacks

[Sundowers]

It's hard to see who benefits from this. Iran would love to disrupt Saudi Arabia's trade, but making the Gulf of Oman unsafe ultimately hurts them as much as anyone.

They have there own oil exports through pipelines and shipping, if anything this hurts Saudi and the UAE. It is also important to note that Iran made an announcement on April 22 that they would wage war against oil tanker traffic. So good job false flag people.

[Rojava Free State]

I have a solution I think we can all agree upon, or maybe not.

The government needs to have a referendum and ask the American public to vote on whether we should have an Iran war or not. Then, if the government decides to go ahead with the disaster, I mean war, US air force majors show up at the houses of every able bodied man and woman who voted for the war. They are drafted into the military and put through six months of training before being deployed to the gulf. No other US soldiers are sent to the region, the only people deployed are the able bodied men and women who supported this stupid idea. Those who die on the beaches of the gulf have the honor of a military funeral and dying fighting for what they believe in, which as far as I can tell is just revenge for the hostage crisis or a desire for violence. Those who survive the hell of war can deal with a garbage veterans healthcare system, joblessness and all the other hardships soldiers deal with when they come home. I wonder if my idea was put into play, would the number of war supporters go down from 20 to about 2 in america? Probably

Now of course I know more than 20 people support a war with iran in america, which is why my idea could work. We can definitely recruit plenty of young strong men and women from among that support group to take the place of our soldiers. So who's with me? Make the war supporters fight the war.

In reality, my belief is we shouldn't be involved in this at all and the Saudis and Israelis need to stop hiding behind America and grow a pair and go fight. They can go be the expendable heroes for once in their existences

[Uan aa Boa]

False flag attack. Trump is trying to instigate a war with Iran to save his administration. Scary thing is his base will buy it.

Despite one of his big campaign promises being that America would never go to war with anyone else ever.

Because we all know that Trump is an absolute man of his word and never changes his mind, and that nobody in the US administration does anything he hasn't expressly instructed.

[Rojava Free State]

Despite one of his big campaign promises being that America would never go to war with anyone else ever.

Because we all know that Trump is an absolute man of his word and never changes his mind, and that nobody in the US administration does anything he hasn't expressly instructed.

Trump: "we can't let any more people into our country, sorry!"
trump literally the same month: "we need more legal immigration and need to make it easier for people to come to our country"

So can we let more people in or not? I can't believe people actually voted for this guy cause they legit thought he was a man of his word and not a con artist with no actual ideology of his own

[Sundowers]

I have a solution I think we can all agree upon, or maybe not.

The government needs to have a referendum and ask the American public to vote on whether we should have an Iran war or not. Then, if the government decides to go ahead with the disaster, I mean war, US air force majors show up at the houses of every able bodied man and woman who voted for the war. They are drafted into the military and put through six months of training before being deployed to the gulf. No other US soldiers are sent to the region, the only people deployed are the able bodied men and women who supported this stupid idea. Those who die on the beaches of the gulf have the honor of a military funeral and dying fighting for what they believe in, which as far as I can tell is just revenge for the hostage crisis or a desire for violence. Those who survive the hell of war can deal with a garbage veterans healthcare system, joblessness and all the other hardships soldiers deal with when they come home. I wonder if my idea was put into play, would the number of war supporters go down from 20 to about 2 in america? Probably

Now of course I know more than 20 people support a war with iran in america, which is why my idea could work. We can definitely recruit plenty of young strong men and women from among that support group to take the place of our soldiers. So who's with me? Make the war supporters fight the war.

In reality, my belief is we shouldn't be involved in this at all and the Saudis and Israelis need to stop hiding behind America and grow a pair and go fight. They can go be the expendable heroes for once in their existences

I dont want so insult you but have you even read this situation at all? or did you just see the title and combine that with your Orange Man bad theory?

[Caracasus]

And frankly your problem is that you're assuming that the people who make up Iran's government are not capable of rational thought. If they weren't capable or willing to think things through and plan ahead, they simply would no longer be in charge of the country.

Oh. Ohh. Ohhh-HAHAHAHA. Incompetence is no guarantee that one will be ousted whatsoever, just look at human history.

I am absolutely certain that the Iranian administration has its fair share of incompetent members, of course. That's not what I was arguing though. My point is that they're not utterly disconnected from reality to the point they'd sanction an atrack against oil tankers as things stand at the moment.

[Visionary Union]

I'm surprised Israel wasn't blamed for this, yet at least.

This incidents smells like it was said out by the IRGC, they're testing the waters to check the limits. How much more terrorist attacks, funding and helping other terrorist organizations their regime can do before the world acts. (Inb4 but Saudis- Fuck their corrupted leadership and primitive ideologies). Iran has a history of committing similar acts with little done in response, and I doubt that the US will declare war because only some radical right wingers support such dumb action. Can't wait for the letter of condemnation from the useless UN about attacking innocent civilians, though. That's their cup of tea, after all..

[North German Realm]

I'm surprised Israel wasn't blamed for this, yet at least.

This incidents smells like it was said out by the IRGC, they're testing the waters to check the limits. How much more terrorist attacks, funding and helping other terrorist organizations their regime can do before the world acts. (Inb4 but Saudis- Fuck their corrupted leadership and primitive ideologies). Iran has a history of committing similar acts with little done in response, and I doubt that the US will declare war because only some radical right wingers support such dumb action. Can't wait for the letter of condemnation from the useless UN about attacking innocent civilians, though. That's their cup of tea, after all..

The IRGC has blamed Israel -while trying to remove their own mine from the crime-scene no less- so there's that, I guess.

[Rost Dreadnorramus]

If Iran wants war with America, then let them come and get it,

America will deliver them a nice heaping plate full of war.

[Vassenor]

I'm surprised Israel wasn't blamed for this, yet at least.

This incidents smells like it was said out by the IRGC, they're testing the waters to check the limits. How much more terrorist attacks, funding and helping other terrorist organizations their regime can do before the world acts. (Inb4 but Saudis- Fuck their corrupted leadership and primitive ideologies). Iran has a history of committing similar acts with little done in response, and I doubt that the US will declare war because only some radical right wingers support such dumb action. Can't wait for the letter of condemnation from the useless UN about attacking innocent civilians, though. That's their cup of tea, after all..

The IRGC has blamed Israel -while trying to remove their own mine from the crime-scene no less- so there's that, I guess.

And at this point the only evidence we have of Iranian involvement is "Trump said so".

[Rojava Free State]

I have a solution I think we can all agree upon, or maybe not.

The government needs to have a referendum and ask the American public to vote on whether we should have an Iran war or not. Then, if the government decides to go ahead with the disaster, I mean war, US air force majors show up at the houses of every able bodied man and woman who voted for the war. They are drafted into the military and put through six months of training before being deployed to the gulf. No other US soldiers are sent to the region, the only people deployed are the able bodied men and women who supported this stupid idea. Those who die on the beaches of the gulf have the honor of a military funeral and dying fighting for what they believe in, which as far as I can tell is just revenge for the hostage crisis or a desire for violence. Those who survive the hell of war can deal with a garbage veterans healthcare system, joblessness and all the other hardships soldiers deal with when they come home. I wonder if my idea was put into play, would the number of war supporters go down from 20 to about 2 in america? Probably

Now of course I know more than 20 people support a war with iran in america, which is why my idea could work. We can definitely recruit plenty of young strong men and women from among that support group to take the place of our soldiers. So who's with me? Make the war supporters fight the war.

In reality, my belief is we shouldn't be involved in this at all and the Saudis and Israelis need to stop hiding behind America and grow a pair and go fight. They can go be the expendable heroes for once in their existences

I dont want so insult you but have you even read this situation at all? or did you just see the title and combine that with your Orange Man bad theory?

First off when did I even mention the "orange man?" I was referring more to the people who support this war and not so much to trump himself. # 2 if the Iranian government attacked a Japanese oil tanker then it is japan's war noe and still not our own. If you feel so strongly then I hope you're the first one signing up for the marine corps if/when this country makes the mistake of another overseas war

[Sundowers]

The IRGC has blamed Israel -while trying to remove their own mine from the crime-scene no less- so there's that, I guess.

And at this point the only evidence we have of Iranian involvement is "Trump said so".

And a video

[Vassenor]

And at this point the only evidence we have of Iranian involvement is "Trump said so".

And a video

A video of what?

[Visionary Union]

I'm surprised Israel wasn't blamed for this, yet at least.

This incidents smells like it was said out by the IRGC, they're testing the waters to check the limits. How much more terrorist attacks, funding and helping other terrorist organizations their regime can do before the world acts. (Inb4 but Saudis- Fuck their corrupted leadership and primitive ideologies). Iran has a history of committing similar acts with little done in response, and I doubt that the US will declare war because only some radical right wingers support such dumb action. Can't wait for the letter of condemnation from the useless UN about attacking innocent civilians, though. That's their cup of tea, after all..

The IRGC has blamed Israel -while trying to remove their own mine from the crime-scene no less- so there's that, I guess.

Oh well, was fun while it lasted.

[Sundowers]

I dont want so insult you but have you even read this situation at all? or did you just see the title and combine that with your Orange Man bad theory?

First off when did I even mention the "orange man?" I was referring more to the people who support this war and not so much to trump himself. # 2 if the Iranian government attacked a Japanese oil tanker then it is japan's war noe and still not our own. If you feel so strongly then I hope you're the first one signing up for the marine corps if/when this country makes the mistake of another overseas war

I never asked for war, I am just saying its really stupid for all you people to be screaming about going to war when this is a common occurence. This happens a lot people, this is jsut getting sttention becuase we have video and pictures

[The New California Republic]

And a video

A video of what?

Have a look on the BBC news.

[Sundowers]

And a video

A video of what?

An Iranian attack boat removing unexploded mines off of one of the tankers.

[North German Realm]

The IRGC has blamed Israel -while trying to remove their own mine from the crime-scene no less- so there's that, I guess.

And at this point the only evidence we have of Iranian involvement is "Trump said so".

And numerous other investigation reports from various US offices. It's currently being contested with the Tanker's owner's own investigations, but honestly, it's almost 100% Iran's fault and it's really obvious at this point.

[Vassenor]

A video of what?

Have a look on the BBC news.

So yes, we're right back at "because Trump says so".