Iran vs the US Thread

[Sundowers]

yes, this is considered an engagement and therefore could be presented in such a way to justify war. What was originally claimed was not factually yes, but something happened therefore you cant say the whole incident was fabricated.

Not quite like that.

I can say that there was an engagement on the 2nd of August, 1964, where there was a minor engagement between the Maddox and 3 NV torpedo boats. In that engagement, the Maddox fired first (though they were intended as warning shots) and this was not reported to president, and 4 NV sailors were killed.

I can also say that the incident used to justify the resolution for war, on the 4th of August, was completely made up. I can confidently say that whole incident was fabricated and then the lie was used to push for war.

I concede my point

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

NSG thinks X event or thing will declare war on nation Y by nation Z volume 8820.

It won't.

Also attacking innocent sailors is a horrible thing to do.

[Khataiy]

The Safavids of our era will be burned in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen, Lebanon and wherever they enter and the fighting will be brought to them, I pray President Donald Trump does the right thing and opens the gates of war in the streets of Tehran and Qom, the Safavids have the blood of the Arabs and Muslims on their hands and it will not be clean until the fall of their regime, the liberation of Ahwaz and Balochistan and a guarantee that never again will they be in a position to invade, rape and colonize, murder and torture Muslims (Arab and non). The anger in the hearts of every Arab (including non-Muslims) and Muslims towards Iran should be an anger unequal to any other, a Muslim should not sit and tolerate how Iran has the nerve to call itself an "Islamic" Republic and back death squads who murder our people with the name of "Hezbollah", the rage in our hearts towards Iran is indescribable, not even towards the Zionists does such anger burn.

[Risottia]

Exactly, when did Iran ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger?
What country would ever fire nuclear weapons at anyone in anger and not as a retaliation to a nuclear strike?

Thanks for proving my point.

How so?
Your point was about Americans defending Iran even if Iran nuked America.
Besides proving that so far the only country which had the cheek to use nuclear first-strikes was America, I don't know what I am supposed to have proven.

[Harkback Union]

Donald Trump Angered by Iranian Posturing

'Those naïve citizens of Iran who imagine the Iranians as a people of peace are entirely out of touch with reality. Those who live at our border do not have the luxury of such delusions, seeing their troops closing in on us just across it. This is a threat we cannot leave unanswered. With every passing day, Iran is preparing for war. It would be madness for us not to do the same.'

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It’s the principle of the thing, some ships get attacked and people in the US government want to launch an attack on whoever they think did it. Gulf of Tonkin in a nutshell.

Yeah but with Tonkin you could bend it in a way to legitimate war, there is 0 way for this to act as a legitimate Casus Belli

The Trump admin doesn't believe it needs any legitimate casus belli to initiate hostilities with Iran.

[Cerinda]

[Chan Island]

The Safavids of our era will be burned in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen, Lebanon and wherever they enter and the fighting will be brought to them, I pray President Donald Trump does the right thing and opens the gates of war in the streets of Tehran and Qom, the Safavids have the blood of the Arabs and Muslims on their hands and it will not be clean until the fall of their regime, the liberation of Ahwaz and Balochistan and a guarantee that never again will they be in a position to invade, rape and colonize, murder and torture Muslims (Arab and non). The anger in the hearts of every Arab (including non-Muslims) and Muslims towards Iran should be an anger unequal to any other, a Muslim should not sit and tolerate how Iran has the nerve to call itself an "Islamic" Republic and back death squads who murder our people with the name of "Hezbollah", the rage in our hearts towards Iran is indescribable, not even towards the Zionists does such anger burn.

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm willing to bet my paycheck for the week that Iran didn't do it and it's a false flag to get us in a war. Didn't John bolton once say he had no issue lying in order to get America to invade a country? THat piece of shit was behind the disastrous invasion of Iraq which left 3000 American soldiers and 200,000 Iraqis dead over "WMDs" (aka oil). No more foreign wars, we can barely take care of our own people and these neocon warhawks wanna go ruin someone else's nation while ignoring our problems

[Sundowers]

Yeah but with Tonkin you could bend it in a way to legitimate war, there is 0 way for this to act as a legitimate Casus Belli

The Trump admin doesn't believe it needs any legitimate casus belli to initiate hostilities with Iran.

you have any proof that this there position?

[Cerinda]

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

Khataiy is an Al Qaeda and Saddam supporter, the guy about how many people die in a horrendous war as long as those "evil shiites" are killed.

[Sundowers]

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that would have been more funny if A. it was true, and B. everybody had not been making it for the past half hour

[Rojava Free State]

- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.

Uhm, the easiest and least costly way to do this might be to lift the sanctions on Iran, instead of engaging in a war that'll be probably very bloody and extremely long, with a rather long period of occupation and a nearly impossible process of state-building in the aftermath...

#1 who said they were smart?
#2 this is mainly about revenge after our puppet dictator got overthrown, Iran took Americans hostage and then proceeded to extort the shit out of us for the return of those hostages

[Khataiy]

The Safavids of our era will be burned in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen, Lebanon and wherever they enter and the fighting will be brought to them, I pray President Donald Trump does the right thing and opens the gates of war in the streets of Tehran and Qom, the Safavids have the blood of the Arabs and Muslims on their hands and it will not be clean until the fall of their regime, the liberation of Ahwaz and Balochistan and a guarantee that never again will they be in a position to invade, rape and colonize, murder and torture Muslims (Arab and non). The anger in the hearts of every Arab (including non-Muslims) and Muslims towards Iran should be an anger unequal to any other, a Muslim should not sit and tolerate how Iran has the nerve to call itself an "Islamic" Republic and back death squads who murder our people with the name of "Hezbollah", the rage in our hearts towards Iran is indescribable, not even towards the Zionists does such anger burn.

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

If America doesn't want to go to war with Iran, that's fine but the US should hold no entitlement to comment on any other regional matter or enjoy any relations with any regional state, nor should the US benefit from any conquest of Iran, not only would a war with Iran make me happy, the level of joy I would have would be unparallel because they have gone far to long unchecked and have expanded, spreading their devil proxies like cancer across the Arab and Islamic world, God willing a second Qadisiya will come, Ahwaz is Arab.

[Cerinda]

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that would have been more funny if A. it was true, and B. everybody had not been making it for the past half hour

[Rojava Free State]

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

If America doesn't want to go to war with Iran, that's fine but the US should hold no entitlement to comment on any other regional matter or enjoy any relations with any regional state, nor should the US benefit from any conquest of Iran, not only would a war with Iran make me happy, the level of joy I would have would be unparallel because they have gone far to long unchecked and have expanded, spreading their devil proxies like cancer across the Arab and Islamic world, God willing a second Qadisiya will come, Ahwaz is Arab.

Maybe you should go fight them then. Americans shouldn't be dying because you think Allah told you to slay the evil persians. You talk about Iran being unchecked but all I see is America helping saudi arabia, the literal example of what ISIS would look like as a country, the country that funded the 9/11 attackers, as they go on a quest toward their own destruction in a war with iran. FIGHT YOUR GOOD FIGHT, LEAVE MY PROPLE OUT OF THIS

[BlazingAngel]

The Safavids of our era will be burned in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen, Lebanon and wherever they enter and the fighting will be brought to them, I pray President Donald Trump does the right thing and opens the gates of war in the streets of Tehran and Qom, the Safavids have the blood of the Arabs and Muslims on their hands and it will not be clean until the fall of their regime, the liberation of Ahwaz and Balochistan and a guarantee that never again will they be in a position to invade, rape and colonize, murder and torture Muslims (Arab and non). The anger in the hearts of every Arab (including non-Muslims) and Muslims towards Iran should be an anger unequal to any other, a Muslim should not sit and tolerate how Iran has the nerve to call itself an "Islamic" Republic and back death squads who murder our people with the name of "Hezbollah", the rage in our hearts towards Iran is indescribable, not even towards the Zionists does such anger burn.

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

Going off topic here to help you understand why American troops are in Niger:

There are no actual combat units present in Niger, only special forces operators that are there to help train Nigerian troops in case of a threat (ISIS had spread into Africa and were continually gaining territories). As strange as it sound, but that 'apparently' why they were there. American operators had been killed in a ISIS ambush early last year in Niger so it does set the ball that ISIS are spreading and the only option that we seems to have is to train that nation standing army to fight while we have our hands and asses at home and in the Middle East.

Hope that answered your question.

[Aclion]

So Iran's going to join Britain, Spain, Germany, Japan and the rest in the "fucked up big time by attacking US ships club"?

So NSG, do you think that the US will drum up enough support to use this incident as an excuse to attack Iran? The virtuous enlightened leaders of Saudi Arabia are of course backing their US financiers to accuse Iran. But what possible reason could Iran have to make the attacks?

It's not in the interest of Iran as a whole, but Iran's internal politics is favoring aggressive posturing. It's possible someone went over the line.

[Khataiy]

Iran has no place in the Arab world, and no one wants them there (evidence).

[Duhon]

Great, Khataiy's all jacked up for a war he won't fight in. Fucking great.

[Chan Island]

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

If America doesn't want to go to war with Iran, that's fine but the US should hold no entitlement to comment on any other regional matter or enjoy any relations with any regional state, nor should the US benefit from any conquest of Iran, not only would a war with Iran make me happy, the level of joy I would have would be unparallel because they have gone far to long unchecked and have expanded, spreading their devil proxies like cancer across the Arab and Islamic world, God willing a second Qadisiya will come, Ahwaz is Arab.

You disgust me.

Look, here's the deal. God isn't real, Saudi Arabia oversteps bounds far more flagrantly than Iran ever did (daily reminder that the UN calls Saudi's involvement in Yemen a genocide), the US (and the friends they always bring to war with them, like the UK) shouldn't have to fight for you (you coward) and this war will only make Iranian ISIS a thing.

[Vassenor]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Who's defending Iran?

[Chan Island]

If you're so happy to have your country go to war with Iran, the least you could do is not drag the West with you. We're sick of sending out troops to fight in muslim wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Niger (why the hell are we even in Niger? When did US troops even go there?!) and Pakistan. Go pray for your own soldiers to die pointless deaths in a horrendous battlefield if you want, but leave Trump out of it.

Going off topic here to help you understand why American troops are in Niger:

There are no actual combat units present in Niger, only special forces operators that are there to help train Nigerian troops in case of a threat (ISIS had spread into Africa and were continually gaining territories). As strange as it sound, but that 'apparently' why they were there. American operators had been killed in a ISIS ambush early last year in Niger so it does set the ball that ISIS are spreading and the only option that we seems to have is to train that nation standing army to fight while we have our hands and asses at home and in the Middle East.

Hope that answered your question.

Thanks for that crash course.

[Khataiy]

This is what Iran has done,

Yemen

Iraq

Syria

[Cerinda]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

Who's defending Iran?

By "defend" Iran he means not wanting another disastrous war like Iraq.