Iran vs the US Thread

[US-SSR]

Wait why do we need a new Cold War?

Iran isn't powerful enough to start a new Cold War lmao

We have been in a new Cold War since 2016. Russia is winning.

[Myrensis]

This is unironically the best take on Trump nearly bringing another war to the world.

He actually never ordered the attack, he called off one the army was going to send.

If that's the case we should probably be ordering the arrests of all commanders involved and holding immediate Congressional hearings to determine why the US military thinks it can just start bombing foreign countries at will without the approval of Congress or the President.

[Novus America]

Because without a rival to compete against, we become complacent.
Without and external enemy/threat to unite against, we turn on each other.

The nations that are most likely candidates for a cold war are writing sappy love letters to Donnie and having him eat off their asses.

There is only one candidate. The PRC.

[Novus America]

Iran isn't powerful enough to start a new Cold War lmao

We have been in a new Cold War since 2016. Russia is winning.

It started long before that, but the problem is we have not recognized it.
But yes the PRC is winning.

Russia is not a peer competitor, annoying and trollish as they can be.
The ability to expose the shady inner workings of the DNC with a simple phishing scam is not that impressive.

[Novus America]

Because without a rival to compete against, we become complacent.
Without and external enemy/threat to unite against, we turn on each other.

Just invent one. Socialism, Islam, France or whatever. America is good at inventing bad guys.

We do not need to invent one. We already have one. We just need the vast majority of Americans to see it for what it is.
Stop overly focusing on silly political fights and unite against the true threat.

[Gig em Aggies]

just curious since I am intrigued by world events as a student of history. how does the Iranian government tell people that some coordinates overlaid on a map indicates that the Triton drone was flying over Iranian territorial waters I mean I could put coordinates on a picture and claim something too plus did they even factor in the direction of the currents in the Gulf as to why they have some scrap pieces of the Triton Drone?

[Wolfreign]

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"bacons must be cooked to a well-done conditionz with nuclear fire if they keep oinking on peepel lands. we dun care we haz Metro 2020 Redux."

[Farnhamia]

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[Loben The 2nd]

Iran isn't powerful enough to start a new Cold War lmao

We have been in a new Cold War since 2016. Russia is winning.

The first one never ended tbh.

[UniversalCommons]

Without a cold war, there are not large military contracts for military producers. People begin to ask questions about why we sell billions of dollars of military equipment to Saudi Arabia or why we shouldn't blow up things in the Middle East or which version of Islam is better or which hypersonic weapon is more dangerous China's or Russia's missiles.

[Novus America]

We have been in a new Cold War since 2016. Russia is winning.

The first one never ended tbh.

It actually did end. But a new one started with a new primary power (the PRC).

[US-SSR]

just curious since I am intrigued by world events as a student of history. how does the Iranian government tell people that some coordinates overlaid on a map indicates that the Triton drone was flying over Iranian territorial waters I mean I could put coordinates on a picture and claim something too plus did they even factor in the direction of the currents in the Gulf as to why they have some scrap pieces of the Triton Drone?

The same way the US government blames attacks on Iran that the Taliban have already taken blame for; or tells the UN Iraq has WMDs that it does not. Fortunately for both sides territorial waters, not to mention the airspace above them, don't generally come pre-marked.

[Tobleste]

So, hypothetical situation time. If amid the rising tensions between the US and Iran result in the US doing a full-scale invasion of Iran with the goal of taking their independence and keeping Iran as a US territory, how would that go and what would that mean for the international community and the US itself, both the war itself and if the US succeeds in the war? Assuming it happens since the odds of this happening probably isn't very high.

The US will only go to war if Iran does something that gives them no other option. Therefore, the US reputation will not be affected negatively, excluding Russia of course.

How would the war transpire is something I don't know but we do know that drones and aircraft have basically replaced troops on the ground. Like the US did when attacking ISIS-held territories.

I don't buy the first bit. America's reputation took a hit due to the Iraq war. Trump is far more hated by America's allies than Bush is so if Trump starts a war with Iran, I'd be very surprised if much of Europe or the west joins him.

[Al Mumtahanah]

The US will only go to war if Iran does something that gives them no other option. Therefore, the US reputation will not be affected negatively, excluding Russia of course.

How would the war transpire is something I don't know but we do know that drones and aircraft have basically replaced troops on the ground. Like the US did when attacking ISIS-held territories.

I don't buy the first bit. America's reputation took a hit due to the Iraq war. Trump is far more hated by America's allies than Bush is so if Trump starts a war with Iran, I'd be very surprised if much of Europe or the west joins him.

Because Iran is hated in the Middle East he would have support there

[Nakena]

I don't buy the first bit. America's reputation took a hit due to the Iraq war. Trump is far more hated by America's allies than Bush is so if Trump starts a war with Iran, I'd be very surprised if much of Europe or the west joins him.

Because Iran is hated in the Middle East he would have support there

I'd imagine if they all bound together they could easily remove Assad from Syria.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Because Iran is hated in the Middle East he would have support there

I'd imagine if they all bound together they could easily remove Assad from Syria.

If he didn't have Russian and Iranian backing...

[Gagium]

Because Iran is hated in the Middle East he would have support there

I'd imagine if they all bound together they could easily remove Assad from Syria.

Sure, the more unstable nations in the region the better.

[Nakena]

I'd imagine if they all bound together they could easily remove Assad from Syria.

If he didn't have Russian and Iranian backing...

Even with, if hes going to face to combined might of an US-Arab onslaught he couldn hold out for very long. Though it is arguably late for that and even Yemen doesnt looks so good.

I'd imagine if they all bound together they could easily remove Assad from Syria.

Sure, the more unstable nations in the region the better.

Assad would probably replaced by a regime that is supported by the majority of its population and as well the US, Turkey, Israel and the Gulf States. Basically it would destroy the Shia axis. It is also likely that a lot of refugees would be returning. Some others might leave though.

[Al Mumtahanah]

If he didn't have Russian and Iranian backing...

Even with, if hes going to face to combined might of an US-Arab onslaught he couldn hold out for very long. Though it is arguably late for that and even Yemen doesnt looks so good.

Sure, the more unstable nations in the region the better.

Assad would probably replaced by a regime that is supported by the majority of its population and as well the US, Turkey, Israel and the Gulf States. Basically it would destroy the Shia axis. It is also likely that a lot of refugees would be returning. Some others might leave though.

It is a proxy war, U.S. involvement would be limited.

[Flawless Walruses]

So, hypothetical situation time. If amid the rising tensions between the US and Iran result in the US doing a full-scale invasion of Iran with the goal of taking their independence and keeping Iran as a US territory, how would that go and what would that mean for the international community and the US itself, both the war itself and if the US succeeds in the war? Assuming it happens since the odds of this happening probably isn't very high.

The Soviet Union and Britain did a full-throated oil grab gloriously liberated a friendly/neutral Iran back in 1943 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran) and it went rather well.

Things we need:

A passive, divided international community long inured to Imperialist land grabs. (check this one off)

A pretext. Protecting Iranians against Nazi German Aggression worked last time, can recycle that, more credible than that Al Qaeda/Taliban takfiri link we've been trying to create.

Darkies to do the dying. Filling moats, setting off boobytraps, clearing minefields etc. The British Indian Army fulfilled this role last time. They all rebelled a few years later, very unpleasant, we'll need new Darkies. Saudi can find them, maybe we can use those African mercs they have running around in Yemen.

An Iranian government gullible enough to be taken in by a surprise attack and too proud of its road network and its oil refineries to mine and/or dynamite them to bog down advancing invaders. Mmmm, a problem this time, but not an insurmountable one.

A Coalition of the Willing that won't either desert or take aim at each other as soon as the Iranians are down. This is what went so tragically wrong last time. Also a problem this time if Saudi is invited to the New Iran's christening. Ditto if they're not invited.

[Al Mumtahanah]

So, hypothetical situation time. If amid the rising tensions between the US and Iran result in the US doing a full-scale invasion of Iran with the goal of taking their independence and keeping Iran as a US territory, how would that go and what would that mean for the international community and the US itself, both the war itself and if the US succeeds in the war? Assuming it happens since the odds of this happening probably isn't very high.

The Soviet Union and Britain did a full-throated oil grab gloriously liberated Iran back in 1943 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran) and it went rather well.

Things we need:

A passive, divided international community long inured to Imperialist land grabs. (check this one off)

A pretext. Protecting Iranians against Nazi Aggression worked last time, can recycle that, more credible than that Al Qaeda/Taliban takfiri link we've been trying to create.

Darkies to do the dying. Filling moats, setting off boobytraps, clearing minefields etc. The British Indian Army fulfilled this role last time. They all rebelled a few years later, very unpleasant, we'll need new Darkies. Saudi can find them, maybe we can use those African mercs they have running around in Yemen.

An Iranian government gullible enough to be taken in by a surprise attack and too proud of its road network and its oil refineries to mine and/or dynamite them to bog down advancing invaders. Mmmm, a problem this time, but not an insurmountable one.

A Coalition of the Willing that won't either desert or take aim at each other as soon as the Iranians are down. This is what went so tragically wrong last time. Also a problem this time if Saudi is invited to the New Iran's christening. Also if they're not invited.

Iran used their children to clear mines in the Iran-Iraq War, barbaric country

[Flawless Walruses]

The Soviet Union and Britain did a full-throated oil grab gloriously liberated Iran back in 1943 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran) and it went rather well.

Things we need:

A passive, divided international community long inured to Imperialist land grabs. (check this one off)

A pretext. Protecting Iranians against Nazi Aggression worked last time, can recycle that, more credible than that Al Qaeda/Taliban takfiri link we've been trying to create.

Darkies to do the dying. Filling moats, setting off boobytraps, clearing minefields etc. The British Indian Army fulfilled this role last time. They all rebelled a few years later, very unpleasant, we'll need new Darkies. Saudi can find them, maybe we can use those African mercs they have running around in Yemen.

An Iranian government gullible enough to be taken in by a surprise attack and too proud of its road network and its oil refineries to mine and/or dynamite them to bog down advancing invaders. Mmmm, a problem this time, but not an insurmountable one.

A Coalition of the Willing that won't either desert or take aim at each other as soon as the Iranians are down. This is what went so tragically wrong last time. Also a problem this time if Saudi is invited to the New Iran's christening. Also if they're not invited.

Iran used their children to clear mines in the Iran-Iraq War, barbaric country

The Viet Cong did exactly that in the Vietnam war. We forgave the Vietnamese.

Saudi and UAE are using African and Yemeni children with guns to occupy the parts of Yemen they are able to hold onto. That is most glorious and pleasing to your Profit, yes?

[Al Mumtahanah]

Iran used their children to clear mines in the Iran-Iraq War, barbaric country

The Viet Cong did exactly that in the Vietnam war. We forgave the Vietnamese.

Saudi and UAE are using African and Yemeni children with guns to occupy the parts of Yemen they are able to hold onto. That is most glorious and pleasing to your Profit, yes?

Allahu A'alam.

[Flawless Walruses]

The Viet Cong did exactly that in the Vietnam war. We forgave the Vietnamese.

Saudi and UAE are using African and Yemeni children with guns to occupy the parts of Yemen they are able to hold onto. That is most glorious and pleasing to your Profit, yes?

Allahu A'alam.

If Allah knows best, he should have turned Al-Saud into glass after 9-11. After all, 17 out of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudi, and none of them were Iranian.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Allahu A'alam.

If Allah knows best, he should have turned Al-Saud into glass after 9-11. After all, 17 out of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudi, and none of them were Iranian.

Why should Saudi Arabia be punished when the House of Saud's relation is only a shared nationality? And how many people has America killed in retaliation? Many more. America also destroyed Afghanistan. The Taliban stopped 3/4 of the world's heroin market and dealt harshly was pederasts, America is permissive toward these things in Afghanistan. How much blood and destruction will satisfy you to repay harm done by criminals eighteen years ago?