Iran vs the US Thread

[Nea Byzantia]

Do you think the Country would be any less divided if Trump had lost, or hadn't run at all, in 2016?

No. Trump was merely the symptom, not the disease.
Trump did not create the conditions that got him elected, merely used them.

I wonder if things would've been worse under a President Hillary Clinton.

[Novus America]

Well the ERE seemed doomed many times but made several spectacular comebacks.
Unlike the ERE under the Angelos I am not willing to go down without a fight.

Maybe you'll be Stilicho, or Michael VIII Palaiologos. I wish you the best of luck with that. As hard as you try, you can't turn back the tide of history, but that doesn't mean you can't make a valiant effort, and be remembered for it. You can certainly soften the blow.

Well I would rather be a Justinian I or Constantine I but eh, we can only do what we can, with what we have.
In reality I will be a nobody never remembered but not from a lack of caring on my point.

[Nea Byzantia]

Maybe you'll be Stilicho, or Michael VIII Palaiologos. I wish you the best of luck with that. As hard as you try, you can't turn back the tide of history, but that doesn't mean you can't make a valiant effort, and be remembered for it. You can certainly soften the blow.

Well I would rather be a Justinian I or Constantine I but eh, we can only do what we can, with what we have.
In reality I will be a nobody never remembered but not from a lack of caring on my point.

You can still have an impact on a local level.

[Novus America]

Well I would rather be a Justinian I or Constantine I but eh, we can only do what we can, with what we have.
In reality I will be a nobody never remembered but not from a lack of caring on my point.

You can still have an impact on a local level.

And I will try, I think we are getting off topic though.

[Nea Byzantia]

You can still have an impact on a local level.

And I will try, I think we are getting off topic though.

For sure. Best to talk about this sort of thing by TG, if at all. I just got carried away, sorry.

[Novus America]

And I will try, I think we are getting off topic though.

For sure. Best to talk about this sort of thing by TG, if at all. I just got carried away, sorry.

No problem, I did too.

[Gormwood]

No. Trump was merely the symptom, not the disease.
Trump did not create the conditions that got him elected, merely used them.

I wonder if things would've been worse under a President Hillary Clinton.

The Republicans would be OCD on executive overreach, separation of power and the budget if Clinton had been President compared to the mass bendover they're doing for Donnie right now.

[Galloism]

What good thing has Trump done so far?

Completely changed the course on the PRC. Which is the most important thing.
Reversed Obama’s military cuts. Those at least were good.
Again a mixed bag, not the best, not the worst. But better than the last 4 (a damn low bar TBH)

I was really asking Vassenor.

[Christian Confederation]

No. Trump was merely the symptom, not the disease.
Trump did not create the conditions that got him elected, merely used them.

I wonder if things would've been worse under a President Hillary Clinton.

If that happened America would have crashed and burned into near calapse.

[Farnhamia]

Those massacres have no bearing on you proving your claims. This is how debate and general discussion works. When someone asks you to prove a claim you yourself made, it is your responsibility to prove said claim that you made.

Wallahi, Iran has demonstrated their intentions in Iraq and Syria is this not enough? The children gassed to death by Bashar? The children run over by their tanks? Massacres so great even the crooks who support Bashar condemn their brutality? Do you not see it? Do you not see the colonization and theft by their hands? Do you not know of their gangs, that exist for sole reason of murdering people? Wallahi tears are shed writing this, tears are shed knowing that no one on this earth not even people who call themselves Muslims dare take a stand against them, no one and the earth has turned their backs on the Arab people at let them die in the most horrendous of ways at the hands of the Safavids and when the one lions with the courage to fight them fought them and was murdered by these people, who shouted loudly and proudly their hatred, as Saddam said the Kalima, he was a martyr and when Umar Ibn Khattab said Iraq was Allah's spear in the Earth and the skull of the Arabs, Saddam brought this saying to life under his leadership, May Allah grant his Akhirah with Izz for his services.

Your rhetoric is impressive but it is diminished by the egregious trolling embodied in it. That earns you a *** 2 week ban. ***

Remember, bans include not only this nation but any and all of your puppets.

[Nova Cyberia]

So... Trump still a warmonger? What's the rhetoric today?

[Nakena]

So... Trump still a warmonger? What's the rhetoric today?

No he isn't. In fact he prevented a war by minutes.

[Myrensis]

So... Trump still a warmonger? What's the rhetoric today?

No he isn't. In fact he prevented a war by minutes.

Prevented himself from starting a war you mean?

It's actually quite bizarre to me the way this is being played up as some dramatic technothriller moment when it was just Trump, alone, waffling about what would get him the most applause at his next rally.

[Nakena]

Prevented himself from starting a war you mean?

It's actually quite bizarre to me the way this is being played up as some dramatic technothriller moment when it was just Trump, alone, waffling about what would get him the most applause at his next rally.

Pretty sure Bolton and Pompeo pressed hard for it. Actually Trumps reluctance to go spill blood is quite remarkable. The two Syria strikes were being conducted with prior warning.

[Gig em Aggies]

Prevented himself from starting a war you mean?

It's actually quite bizarre to me the way this is being played up as some dramatic technothriller moment when it was just Trump, alone, waffling about what would get him the most applause at his next rally.

Pretty sure Bolton and Pompeo pressed hard for it. Actually Trumps reluctance to go spill blood is quite remarkable. The two Syria strikes were being conducted with prior warning.

yeah from the previous administration. In reality I believe that Trump never intended to actually hit Iran only show he is willing to go there if need be like what Teddy said but changed somewhat speak loudly and carry a big stick instead of speak softly and carry a big stick

[Des-Bal]

No he isn't. In fact he prevented a war by minutes.

I decided not to drive through the playground and do donuts on the broken bodies of the children. I saved a class full of kids.

[Vassenor]

I wonder if things would've been worse under a President Hillary Clinton.

If that happened America would have crashed and burned into near calapse.

And you base that hyperbole on what evidence?

[Farnhamia]

I wonder if things would've been worse under a President Hillary Clinton.

If that happened America would have crashed and burned into near calapse.

Irrelevant. Talk about the topic or stay out of the thread, the both of you. And you, too, Vass.

[Des-Bal]

Wait, in the discussion of an international conflict it's off topic to look at the capacity of one of the leaders to manage it?

[Fartsniffage]

Wait, in the discussion of an international conflict it's off topic to look at the capacity of one of the leaders to manage it?

Hillary lost dude. Get over it.

[Aureumterra]

Random question, does anyone know if this is why flights towards India and SE Asia are being cancelled?

[Farnhamia]

Wait, in the discussion of an international conflict it's off topic to look at the capacity of one of the leaders to manage it?

Of what country is Hillary Clinton a leader at the moment? She's been out of office, elected or otherwise, since February of 2013. I was simply derailing a potential thread derailment before it got started.

[Vassenor]

Random question, does anyone know if this is why flights towards India and SE Asia are being cancelled?

There is a NOTAM regarding avoiding Iranian airspace in effect, so possibly yes.

[Nakena]

Random question, does anyone know if this is why flights towards India and SE Asia are being cancelled?

There is a NOTAM regarding avoiding Iranian airspace in effect, so possibly yes.

That usually indicates that stuff is getting real serious.

[Aureumterra]

Random question, does anyone know if this is why flights towards India and SE Asia are being cancelled?

There is a NOTAM regarding avoiding Iranian airspace in effect, so possibly yes.

Ah

Reeeeeeeal inconvenient for one of my friends who was going to vacation in Thailand for summer