Iran vs the US Thread

[-Ocelot-]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-called-off-retaliatory-strike-against-iran-in-last-minute-wsj
Trump retaliated but called it off

A nation in disarray

[Rojava Free State]

yeah, I was thinking that Russia has to play some role in all of this. Russia would certainly be unhappy with an American intervention in Iran.

Not really. Russia isn't going to be "unhappy" about a possible invasion of Iran, because -provided there is an Iran left afterwards- the next Iranian state is inevitably going to fall under Russia's sphere of influence again, and until then, Russia's only going to benefit from Iranian oil not selling as well as it can.

Russia would likely do to us in iran what they did in vietnam. They'd keep sending weapons so we get butchered by Russian firepower without Russian soldiers present on the group. Basically we end up a victim in our own proxy war

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-called-off-retaliatory-strike-against-iran-in-last-minute-wsj
Trump retaliated but called it off

A nation in disarray

This is why there is no future and America is dreaming

[Painisia]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

[Loben The 2nd]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

Tbh it should be Tanker War 2.0.

[Thermodolia]

Considering that Iran has 500,000 plus active personnel in it's military, the slim possibility of a draft comes up if relations with Iran escalate past a certain point. I sincerely doubt that'll happen - but if it does, then a good number of us are fucked.

That’s why it’s always a good idea to voluntarily enlist before your draft number is up. That way you can get a cushy job with the GC going up and down the coast of the US

[Chan Island]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

Here's one saying the Iraq War 2.0 should already be happening. (40 seconds in by the way, silly intro is too long).

[Nakena]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

No, but every punch against the Islamic Republic is a good one.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I've seen too many threads where NSG unanimously agrees that X event will cause war.

Then the war never happens, everyone forgets about it as more news about other shit comes in.

The cycle resets every time something else stupid like this happens with other countries.

You see the thing about that is, there is no correlation or causation between "Governments declaring War on each other" and "NSGers thinking governments are going to declare war on each other"

I know there isn't but after NSG cryed "X event will start a war" 8000 times before and no war started, it gets hard to beleave that "no really this time Nsg is right and there will be a war."

[Nakena]

You see the thing about that is, there is no correlation or causation between "Governments declaring War on each other" and "NSGers thinking governments are going to declare war on each other"

I know there isn't but after NSG cryed "X event will start a war" 8000 times before and no war started, it gets hard to beleave that :no really this time Nsg is right and there will be a war."

This is more getting like Tanker War from the late 1980s than full out conflict.

[Novus America]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

No, but every punch against the Islamic Republic is a good one.

Of course. The issue is how best to hit them without escalating it to a full blown war.

[Nakena]

No, but every punch against the Islamic Republic is a good one.

Of course. The issue is how best to hit them without escalating it to a full blown war.

Flexible response. The Mullahs cannot afford a full blown war. It would cause more harm to them than to the US.

Right now they are only testing the reactions. Today they learned that shooting down drones is perhaps another limit they can scratch at a little.

[Rojava Free State]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

They're cheering for the war but I doubt any of them will enlist in the army when it happens

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

They're cheering for the war but I doubt any of them will enlist in the army when it happens

Because many are chickenhawks.

[Novus America]

Of course. The issue is how best to hit them without escalating it to a full blown war.

Flexible response. The Mullahs cannot afford a full blown war. It would cause more harm to them than to the US.

Right now they are only testing the reactions. Today they learned that shooting down drones is perhaps another limit they can scratch at a little.

True. I wonder what their next play will be. They are probably going to up the ante again.
So we are going to need flexible options for hitting them, yet do so without causing a war.
Although it should be noted Iran has had a low level insurgency in its Arab and Kurdish areas.

I wonder if it would be possible to stir something up in those places.

[Thermodolia]

Of course. The issue is how best to hit them without escalating it to a full blown war.

Flexible response. The Mullahs cannot afford a full blown war. It would cause more harm to them than to the US.

Right now they are only testing the reactions. Today they learned that shooting down drones is perhaps another limit they can scratch at a little.

According to Trump he called off the strike with only 10 minutes to spare. He apparently didn’t want 150 people to die saying it was a proportional response

[Novus America]

Flexible response. The Mullahs cannot afford a full blown war. It would cause more harm to them than to the US.

Right now they are only testing the reactions. Today they learned that shooting down drones is perhaps another limit they can scratch at a little.

According to Trump he called off the strike with only 10 minutes to spare. He apparently didn’t want 150 people to die saying it was a proportional response

Though Trump has a tendency to exaggerate, that actually is reasonable.
Killing 150 people to avenge a robot is probably not proportionate.

[Nea Byzantia]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

It's the wrong time for that.
If Trump were going to start a war to boost his public opinion, the smart way to do it would be as an October surprise.

Or a 2020 Christmas present after he wins the election and his 2nd term is assured...

[Nakena]

It's the wrong time for that.
If Trump were going to start a war to boost his public opinion, the smart way to do it would be as an October surprise.

Or a 2020 Christmas present after he wins the election and his 2nd term is assured...

So far it doesnt seems hes a warmonger to be honest. His two strikes on Syria hit pretty much empty storage halls and hangars.

[Nea Byzantia]

Or a 2020 Christmas present after he wins the election and his 2nd term is assured...

So far it doesnt seems hes a warmonger to be honest. His two strikes on Syria hit pretty much empty storage halls and hangars.

Could be Bolton or Pompeo who pull it off in Trump's name.

[-Ocelot-]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

Isn't anti-cristian to cheer for war?

As another guy said above, any blow to a theocracy is good. If war does happen, I hope for a quick deposition of the regime and the establishment of democracy and secularism, even if that's unlikely to happen.

[Loben The 2nd]

Flexible response. The Mullahs cannot afford a full blown war. It would cause more harm to them than to the US.

Right now they are only testing the reactions. Today they learned that shooting down drones is perhaps another limit they can scratch at a little.

According to Trump he called off the strike with only 10 minutes to spare. He apparently didn’t want 150 people to die saying it was a proportional response

Can we sink a Iranian tanker or 2?

[Thermodolia]

So far it doesnt seems hes a warmonger to be honest. His two strikes on Syria hit pretty much empty storage halls and hangars.

Could be Bolton or Pompeo who pull it off in Trump's name.

The dude pretty much cancelled military strikes on Iran, strikes that those two have been pushing

[Communal concils]

Any neoconservative exceptionalists here cheering for the Iraq War 2.0?

Isn't anti-cristian to cheer for war?

As another guy said above, any blow to a theocracy is good. If war does happen, I hope for a quick deposition of the regime and the establishment of democracy and secularism, even if that's unlikely to happen.

Iran is a diverse nation, a nation filled with different people and groups. An American Invasion of such a nation would lead to a civil war as destructive as the Russian civil war.

We are forcing a political belief on people that won't want it. We are denying the choice of a population. I see this comment as idealism. There is no Geo-political or realpolitik concerns. From the view of an Anti-Imperialist, I will say this is for the corporate elite. No one but them, they need New Markets for their thirst of endless wealth. And Jingoism is what they want.

[Sundowers]

Not gonna lie a I am very suprised with Trump. I also want to know what the original target was. Anything short of Operation Praying Mantis 2 would be disapointing.