Iran vs the US Thread

[Farnhamia]

https://nypost.com/2019/06/20/trump-approved-strikes-on-iran-before-changing-his-mind-report/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl ... e=Homepage

The latest news is that Trump had approved of airstrikes against Iran earlier today, but called it off at the last minute. US Navy ships were in position and US Air Force planes were in the air, but no munitions were launched. If the order wasn't given to abort the mission, a state of war between the US and its allies and Iran could've been present. Your thoughts on this? Do you think a war should happen?

My belief is that its too late because of this incident in that Iran will know and the US either needs to commit either to peace with Iran or to go to war with Iran before Iran has enough time to prepare their defenses against attack. I'm more in favor of a war with Iran because, they don't seem capable of attacking the US itself. Worst outcome is that maybe the US loses materiel during skirmishes. I'm not in favor of any occupation but wouldn't mind a ground invasion if the ground forces can pull out right after Iran's capital of Tehran is overrun and the regime is deposed.

If Russia or China decided to intervene on Iran's side however, it does look like the entire theater would have to be cancelled. But I don't think Iran should be so sure that either will come rushing to assist them unless Iran cuts them a special deal like giving either of them exclusive access to their oil or markets and etc.

We already had a thread on Iran & the US. Now your post is in it!

[Diopolis]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

It's the wrong time for that.
If Trump were going to start a war to boost his public opinion, the smart way to do it would be as an October surprise.

[Farnhamia]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

It's the wrong time for that.
If Trump were going to start a war to boost his public opinion, the smart way to do it would be as an October surprise.

Or during the Republican convention.

[Bombadil]

The US just barred US aircraft from flying in parts of the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

"All flight operations in the overwater area of the Tehran flight information region ... are prohibited until further notice," the agency said in a statement. The FAA cited "heightened military activity" and "increased political tensions in the region."

Link

[Loben The 2nd]

The US just barred US aircraft from flying in parts of the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

"All flight operations in the overwater area of the Tehran flight information region ... are prohibited until further notice," the agency said in a statement. The FAA cited "heightened military activity" and "increased political tensions in the region."

Link

Neat.

[US-SSR]

https://nypost.com/2019/06/20/trump-approved-strikes-on-iran-before-changing-his-mind-report/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/worl ... e=Homepage

The latest news is that Trump had approved of airstrikes against Iran earlier today, but called it off at the last minute. US Navy ships were in position and US Air Force planes were in the air, but no munitions were launched. If the order wasn't given to abort the mission, a state of war between the US and its allies and Iran could've been present. Your thoughts on this? Do you think a war should happen?

My belief is that its too late because of this incident in that Iran will know and the US either needs to commit either to peace with Iran or to go to war with Iran before Iran has enough time to prepare their defenses against attack. I'm more in favor of a war with Iran because, they don't seem capable of attacking the US itself. Worst outcome is that maybe the US loses materiel during skirmishes. I'm not in favor of any occupation but wouldn't mind a ground invasion if the ground forces can pull out right after Iran's capital of Tehran is overrun and the regime is deposed.

If Russia or China decided to intervene on Iran's side however, it does look like the entire theater would have to be cancelled. But I don't think Iran should be so sure that either will come rushing to assist them unless Iran cuts them a special deal like giving either of them exclusive access to their oil or markets and etc.

The question isn't who will come to the aid of Iran but who will come to the aid of the US. Like it or not the US is not capable by itself of carrying out yet a third ground war in the Middle East. Knowing this, and knowing that no US ally is about to join it in a war over shooting down an unmanned drone or any of the many other asymmetric tactics it is prepared to use, Iran knows it can call Trump's bluffs indefinitely.

Trump either lost his nerve (bone spurs acting up again maybe) or buckled to opposition from Pelosi, who insists any action in Iran needs a new Congressional authorization, or nations friendly to the US who convinced him they would never follow if he bumbles into war. If he is actually so unstable that he is capable of launching, then calling off, a military attack in a matter of hours, impeachment is going to be too slow. We would need Amendment XXV. Now.

[Loben The 2nd]

I thought we pulled out of Iraq for the 3rd time?

[Risottia]

The US just barred US aircraft from flying in parts of the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

"All flight operations in the overwater area of the Tehran flight information region ... are prohibited until further notice," the agency said in a statement. The FAA cited "heightened military activity" and "increased political tensions in the region."

Link

So basically the US admitted implicitly to being too afraid of Iran, or to having violated Iranian airspace. The levels of incompetence are quite astounding.

As Venetians would say, "xe pezo el tacón del buso" (the patch is worse than the hole).

[Gormwood]

The US just barred US aircraft from flying in parts of the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

"All flight operations in the overwater area of the Tehran flight information region ... are prohibited until further notice," the agency said in a statement. The FAA cited "heightened military activity" and "increased political tensions in the region."

Link

So basically the US admitted implicitly to being too afraid of Iran, or to having violated Iranian airspace. The levels of incompetence are quite astounding.

As Venetians would say, "xe pezo el tacón del buso" (the patch is worse than the hole).

Incompetence is a Trump hallmark.

[Galloism]

The US just barred US aircraft from flying in parts of the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.

"All flight operations in the overwater area of the Tehran flight information region ... are prohibited until further notice," the agency said in a statement. The FAA cited "heightened military activity" and "increased political tensions in the region."

Link

So basically the US admitted implicitly to being too afraid of Iran, or to having violated Iranian airspace. The levels of incompetence are quite astounding.

As Venetians would say, "xe pezo el tacón del buso" (the patch is worse than the hole).

They’re talking about commercial aircraft. They have no defenses.

[Khataiy]

History will not remember an enemy of the Arabs and Muslims, as hateful and full of animosity as the Safavids of our era, not even the Zionists in their worst could be as evil as Khamenei. Syria for Syrians, Iraq is Arab, freedom for Ahwaz, Yemen is the heart of the Arabs and Iraq is God's spear in this Earth, Syria is the best of God's creation, Iran is the rally point for the anti-Christ, Saddam Hussein and all the martyr's with God's permission will not have their blood shed in vein in resisting the Safavids from Sanaa' to Aleppo to Baghdad and Basra, the Arabian Peninsula will remain Arab, Thank God for President Donald Trump the ally of the Arabs against the Safavids at the Qadisiya of our era.

[Aclion]

As Sajid Javid seems eager to please the Americans by signing the extradition request for Julian Assange maybe he will do a Bliar and produce a dodgy dossier and help his leadership quest at the same time.

Some possible suspects other than Iran
-Saudis trying to stigmatise and weaken Iran.
- The oil companies wanting their share of Iran's oil.
- Yanks testing the water and pre election boost for Republicans.

It's the wrong time for that.
If Trump were going to start a war to boost his public opinion, the smart way to do it would be as an October surprise.

The smart time to do it would be in December, when the election is over and everyone has stopped paying attention. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Americans are sick and tired of wars in the middle east.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

History will not remember an enemy of the Arabs and Muslims, as hateful and full of animosity as the Safavids of our era, not even the Zionists in their worst could be as evil as Khamenei. Syria for Syrians, Iraq is Arab, freedom for Ahwaz, Yemen is the heart of the Arabs and Iraq is God's spear in this Earth, Syria is the best of God's creation, Iran is the rally point for the anti-Christ, Saddam Hussein and all the martyr's with God's permission will not have their blood shed in vein in resisting the Safavids from Sanaa' to Aleppo to Baghdad and Basra, the Arabian Peninsula will remain Arab, Thank God for President Donald Trump the ally of the Arabs against the Safavids at the Qadisiya of our era.

Iraq has Kurds in it too, akhi. And what's up with all this love for Saddam Hussein? And Trump is not on the Muslims' side at all.

[Loben The 2nd]

History will not remember an enemy of the Arabs and Muslims, as hateful and full of animosity as the Safavids of our era, not even the Zionists in their worst could be as evil as Khamenei. Syria for Syrians, Iraq is Arab, freedom for Ahwaz, Yemen is the heart of the Arabs and Iraq is God's spear in this Earth, Syria is the best of God's creation, Iran is the rally point for the anti-Christ, Saddam Hussein and all the martyr's with God's permission will not have their blood shed in vein in resisting the Safavids from Sanaa' to Aleppo to Baghdad and Basra, the Arabian Peninsula will remain Arab, Thank God for President Donald Trump the ally of the Arabs against the Safavids at the Qadisiya of our era.

Iraq has Kurds in it too, akhi. And what's up with all this love for Saddam Hussein? And Trump is not on the Muslims' side at all.

Arguably things were better when saddam was around.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Iraq has Kurds in it too, akhi. And what's up with all this love for Saddam Hussein? And Trump is not on the Muslims' side at all.

Arguably things were better when saddam was around.

Gassing Kurds isn't better than not gassing Kurds.

[Loben The 2nd]

Arguably things were better when saddam was around.

Gassing Kurds isn't better than not gassing Kurds.

And guess what, there wasn’t a band of psychopaths roaming around the place raping and torturing as they pleased

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Gassing Kurds isn't better than not gassing Kurds.

And guess what, there wasn’t a band of psychopaths roaming around the place raping and torturing as they pleased

Well then it's just a matter of picking one's poison.

[North German Realm]

Gassing Kurds isn't better than not gassing Kurds.

And guess what, there wasn’t a band of psychopaths roaming around the place raping and torturing as they pleased

They were. It was called the Iraqi Army (and they literally were a band of psychopaths roaming around the place raping and torturing as they pleased). They just had the benefit of being the legitimate army of a so-called sovereign state, which ISIS wasn't.

[Khataiy]

History will not remember an enemy of the Arabs and Muslims, as hateful and full of animosity as the Safavids of our era, not even the Zionists in their worst could be as evil as Khamenei. Syria for Syrians, Iraq is Arab, freedom for Ahwaz, Yemen is the heart of the Arabs and Iraq is God's spear in this Earth, Syria is the best of God's creation, Iran is the rally point for the anti-Christ, Saddam Hussein and all the martyr's with God's permission will not have their blood shed in vein in resisting the Safavids from Sanaa' to Aleppo to Baghdad and Basra, the Arabian Peninsula will remain Arab, Thank God for President Donald Trump the ally of the Arabs against the Safavids at the Qadisiya of our era.

Iraq has Kurds in it too, akhi. And what's up with all this love for Saddam Hussein? And Trump is not on the Muslims' side at all.

The Martyr, Abu Udai Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti al-Iraqi, was a sword of justice in the side of the Safavids of our era who strove hard for his nation and people, he was harsh against the Safavids and traitors, he was the shield of the Arab people, he was the guardian of all the Arab states against the evil that the Safavids of our era stand for, if not for him, as we see today with the detestable and filthy rotten Houthi movement they would be firing their missiles into Mekkah and calling it "Resistance" they would be in the Peninsula of our Prophet the home of the Arabs, the land of everything we hold sacred, spreading their evil beliefs and murdering our people like they do today in Iraq and Syria.

Under President Saddam, these group's wouldn't operate without harsh response from Saddam, these dogs wouldn't dare utter a word against Aisha, these dogs today sit in Baghdad spewing their hatred of Islam on Satellite television and on screens across the country. Look at Aleppo, look at Ghouta this is what they stand for, and Saddam did not allow this in his country or any Arab state, he took the fight to the beast and fought them harsh and showed them he would not stand for it.

And when Iraq was invaded in 2003 it was none other than the Devil's Organization [Badr Organization] and the Party of Satan [Hezbollah] that were among the first to take part in the fighting, and when the murdered Saddam they shouted their abuse and hatred of the companions insulting Aisha and Umar, these cowards couldn't even show their faces in front of the President and as they insulted him and our religion he stood firm and he said nothing aside from "There is no God but Allah" may Allah make these honorable words our last, Allah blessed him with martyrdom at the hands of the Safavid traitors.

The companions whom they hate, would judge a man by how he lived, based on how he died, and what we see from Saddam was a lion and a knight of honor and glory.

[Galloism]

And guess what, there wasn’t a band of psychopaths roaming around the place raping and torturing as they pleased

Well then it's just a matter of picking one's poison.

Arguably yes, tbh.

No one thinks Saddam wasn’t a mass murdering bastard. Even Saddam knew Saddam was a mass murdering bastard.

But he did keep all the other mass murdering bastards in line.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well then it's just a matter of picking one's poison.

Arguably yes, tbh.

No one thinks Saddam wasn’t a mass murdering bastard. Even Saddam knew Saddam was a mass murdering bastard.

But he did keep all the other mass murdering bastards in line.

This tbh. I'd take Saddam and friends over the current shit show any day given the choice.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Iraq has Kurds in it too, akhi. And what's up with all this love for Saddam Hussein? And Trump is not on the Muslims' side at all.

The Martyr, Abu Udai Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti al-Iraqi, was a sword of justice in the side of the Safavids of our era who strove hard for his nation and people, he was harsh against the Safavids and traitors, he was the shield of the Arab people, he was the guardian of all the Arab states against the evil that the Safavids of our era stand for, if not for him, as we see today with the detestable and filthy rotten Houthi movement they would be firing their missiles into Mekkah and calling it "Resistance" they would be in the Peninsula of our Prophet the home of the Arabs, the land of everything we hold sacred, spreading their evil beliefs and murdering our people like they do today in Iraq and Syria.

Under President Saddam, these group's wouldn't operate without harsh response from Saddam, these dogs wouldn't dare utter a word against Aisha, these dogs today sit in Baghdad spewing their hatred of Islam on Satellite television and on screens across the country. Look at Aleppo, look at Ghouta this is what they stand for, and Saddam did not allow this in his country or any Arab state, he took the fight to the beast and fought them harsh and showed them he would not stand for it.

And when Iraq was invaded in 2003 it was none other than the Devil's Organization [Badr Organization] and the Party of Satan [Hezbollah] that were among the first to take part in the fighting, and when the murdered Saddam they shouted their abuse and hatred of the companions insulting Aisha and Umar, these cowards couldn't even show their faces in front of the President and as they insulted him and our religion he stood firm and he said nothing aside from "There is no God but Allah" may Allah make these honorable words our last, Allah blessed him with martyrdom at the hands of the Safavid traitors.

The companions whom they hate, would judge a man by how he lived, based on how he died, and what we see from Saddam was a lion and a knight of honor and glory.

1: Prove every claim you made here
2: Is gassing Kurds a sign honor and glory?
3: Wasn't the Al-Anfaal Campaign a war crime?
4: Didn't Iraq attack Iran first?
5: Is invading Kuwait unjustly a sign of honor and glory?

[The Batorys]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

That would require Iran's leaders to be much, much more stupid than they actually are.

They may be authoritarian theocrats, but they are not stupid and they are not suicidal.

[Khataiy]

The Martyr, Abu Udai Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti al-Iraqi, was a sword of justice in the side of the Safavids of our era who strove hard for his nation and people, he was harsh against the Safavids and traitors, he was the shield of the Arab people, he was the guardian of all the Arab states against the evil that the Safavids of our era stand for, if not for him, as we see today with the detestable and filthy rotten Houthi movement they would be firing their missiles into Mekkah and calling it "Resistance" they would be in the Peninsula of our Prophet the home of the Arabs, the land of everything we hold sacred, spreading their evil beliefs and murdering our people like they do today in Iraq and Syria.

Under President Saddam, these group's wouldn't operate without harsh response from Saddam, these dogs wouldn't dare utter a word against Aisha, these dogs today sit in Baghdad spewing their hatred of Islam on Satellite television and on screens across the country. Look at Aleppo, look at Ghouta this is what they stand for, and Saddam did not allow this in his country or any Arab state, he took the fight to the beast and fought them harsh and showed them he would not stand for it.

And when Iraq was invaded in 2003 it was none other than the Devil's Organization [Badr Organization] and the Party of Satan [Hezbollah] that were among the first to take part in the fighting, and when the murdered Saddam they shouted their abuse and hatred of the companions insulting Aisha and Umar, these cowards couldn't even show their faces in front of the President and as they insulted him and our religion he stood firm and he said nothing aside from "There is no God but Allah" may Allah make these honorable words our last, Allah blessed him with martyrdom at the hands of the Safavid traitors.

The companions whom they hate, would judge a man by how he lived, based on how he died, and what we see from Saddam was a lion and a knight of honor and glory.

1: Prove every claim you made here
2: Is gassing Kurds a sign honor and glory?
3: Wasn't the Al-Anfaal Campaign a war crime?

What I said are known facts he fought Iran, do you not know this? The gassing are exaggerated no Iraqis or innocent civilians are intentionally targeted only Safavid invaders and collaborating factions like Communists, Separatists and Safavid sympathizers, President Saddam committed no crime other than protecting the Arabs from the evil that the Safavids are doing today solely because no one is willing to fight them or stop them like President Saddam, aside from perhaps President Trump. Invading Kuwait was a mistake, undoubtedly but everyone makes mistakes. Iraq did strike first, Praise be to Allah to defend the people of Ahwaz and stop the Safavids from doing the evil they were planning, it would not be allowed Islamically to be Iran's neighbor and not go to war with them.

[Galloism]

Iran could strike the US with nuclear weapons and Americans would still defend Iran.

That would require Iran's leaders to be much, much more stupid than they actually are.

They may be authoritarian theocrats, but they are not stupid and they are not suicidal.

I don’t think anyone wants to be the first to lob a nuke - especially against the country that has more nukes than anybody else.

Even Iran isn’t suicidal.