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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:24 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?


Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.

I mean, I understand the suspicions with Iran, given the history of hostility between Iran and the U.S., but.....is there any concrete evidence for some in the U.S. government to blame the country? Like Fart, I don't see what are the gains for Iran if they did this.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:25 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.


lol.

I assume that countries do things because they expect a good thing happening. If you want me to think Iran did this then you have to give me some kind of motive. If you can't then I assume you're acting in bad faith.

To see what leverage they can gain.

Then again you’re likely compromised as we speak...

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:26 pm

Duhon wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.


The mullahs may be evil fucks, but they're not stupid. I have no love for their reign, but let John Bolton splooge his twisted dark fantasies into his hand.


Dark fantasies that don’t affect you whatever your paranoia says.

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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:26 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
lol.

I assume that countries do things because they expect a good thing happening. If you want me to think Iran did this then you have to give me some kind of motive. If you can't then I assume you're acting in bad faith.

To see what leverage they can gain.

Then again you’re likely compromised as we speak...


What leverage? And why compromised?

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:26 pm

Iran is more a Geopolitical Threat to America than a Existential one.

Direct War is the wrong way to go.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:28 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
lol.

I assume that countries do things because they expect a good thing happening. If you want me to think Iran did this then you have to give me some kind of motive. If you can't then I assume you're acting in bad faith.

To see what leverage they can gain.

Then again you’re likely compromised as we speak...


How many people did you live with who came back broken from the Iraq war?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Iran is more a Geopolitical Threat to America than a Existential one.

Direct War is the wrong way to go.


Lobbing a MOAB into the ayatollahs palace May be the right way.

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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:31 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Iran is more a Geopolitical Threat to America than a Existential one.

Direct War is the wrong way to go.


Lobbing a MOAB into the ayatollahs palace May be the right way.


Bombing shit without a credible strstegy for the aftermath never works -- unless you want the chaos in the first place.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:To see what leverage they can gain.

Then again you’re likely compromised as we speak...


How many people did you live with who came back broken from the Iraq war?


Several, and let me guess You likely are one of those new age hippies who despite wore the uniform, thinks that war is unnecessary no matter what reason or outcome.

Victory is not measured by losses. It’s measured by gains.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:32 pm

I can't see a war happening or lasting in the current political climate.
Even Trump as much as he claims to hate Iran knows that going to war will sink him, especially since a lot of people on his side are now anti Neo Con war machine.

And I can't see the Democrats turning pro war with Iran after Obama tried to broker peace with Iran so Congress won't declare war.

The worst we might get from this is another tanker war or Operation Praying Mantis two where the US decides to sink Iran's navy for the crime of existing.

But maybe that's the point, someone wanted to show the world "Look the US is too divided to even get into wars of imperialism anymore!"

But I think after Syria everyone should have realized that already.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:32 pm

Duhon wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Lobbing a MOAB into the ayatollahs palace May be the right way.


Bombing shit without a credible strstegy for the aftermath never works -- unless you want the chaos in the first place.

He thinks gunboat diplomacy works with modern tech and economics, plus geography.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:36 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How many people did you live with who came back broken from the Iraq war?


Several, and let me guess You likely are one of those new age hippies who despite wore the uniform, thinks that war is unnecessary no matter what reason or outcome.

Victory is not measured by losses. It’s measured by gains.


ISIS is a fucking gain, apparently. Oh, so was the thousands of Iraqi lives lost to the decade's worth of chaos, upheaval, disorder, all because the US went into Iraq without a halfway credible plan for the aftermath.

Bloody fucking hell.

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Postby Aeritai » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:36 pm

Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:38 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How many people did you live with who came back broken from the Iraq war?


Several, and let me guess You likely are one of those new age hippies who despite wore the uniform, thinks that war is unnecessary no matter what reason or outcome.

Victory is not measured by losses. It’s measured by gains.

We gained little long-term benefits.
It was a strategic loss.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:38 pm

Aeritai wrote:Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.

Trump won't hear it.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:38 pm

Aeritai wrote:Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.


Too busy trying to decide what salad to have. You know how useless those glorified preschoolers are.

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:39 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.


Too busy trying to decide what salad to have. You know how useless those glorified preschoolers are.

That's international politics for you...
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:39 pm

Aeritai wrote:Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.

......I mean, have the problems escalated into that tensions where the U.N. needs to intervene?
Even if it decided to, I doubt either party would hear it.
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Postby Aeritai » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:41 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Aeritai wrote:Where is the United Nations when you need them? Shouldn't they be trying to ease the tensions between Iran and the United States.

......I mean, have the problems escalated into that tensions where the U.N. needs to intervene?
Even if it decided to, I doubt either party would hear it.


That's what I would think since the United States is threating to declare war on Iran. I would think the UN's alarm bells would ring.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Sigh is Iran ever going to stop?


You have evidence that Iran did this beyond the band of chickenhawks in the U.S. government saying so?

No definitive proof, just a hunch, and if the last year proved anything, it’s my hunches usually end up correct
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:48 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:......I mean, have the problems escalated into that tensions where the U.N. needs to intervene?
Even if it decided to, I doubt either party would hear it.


That's what I would think since the United States is threating to declare war on Iran. I would think the UN's alarm bells would ring.

Who is going to threaten to declare war on Iran?

Trump?

Trump can't declare war without alienating his base and likely getting Congress jumping on his ass for it.

Congress?

Do you really think Nancy Pelosi is going to allow a vote for a Declaration of War against Iran, you know the same country that Barack Obama was trying to foster a peace deal, just to please John Bolton and the Neo Cons who are still Republicans at heart?

I know the Neocons are starting to switch sides to the Democrats but for now they're still mostly Republicans and a lot of them are still reluctantly in Trump's camp.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:49 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You have evidence that Iran did this beyond the band of chickenhawks in the U.S. government saying so?

No definitive proof, just a hunch, and if the last year proved anything, it’s my hunches usually end up correct

What? Iran is totally innocent here, not like they have been funding various terror organizations and have a hand in the Assad regimes hold in Syria. Clearly we’re the bad guys here.

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Aeritai wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:......I mean, have the problems escalated into that tensions where the U.N. needs to intervene?
Even if it decided to, I doubt either party would hear it.


That's what I would think since the United States is threating to declare war on Iran. I would think the UN's alarm bells would ring.


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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How many people did you live with who came back broken from the Iraq war?


Several, and let me guess You likely are one of those new age hippies who despite wore the uniform, thinks that war is unnecessary no matter what reason or outcome.

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