Iran vs the US Thread

[Chan Island]

Nah, it's still pretty irrational to entertain it as anything more than a very distant possibility.
No, but then again McNamara only admitted that the second gulf of Tonkin incident was fabricated in 1995. The lack of WMDs in Iraq was confirmed only years after US forces had been deployed there. The Navy contemplated that the USS Maine was sunk by a coal explosion instead of a mine in 1974.

So it's not completely irrational to be suspicious.

It's a possibility none the less. Remember that several people in the Trump administration (including Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, who are by the way some of the biggest advocates for war) were people intimately involved in the Bush administration's WMD lies.

EDIT: I will just say, there are of course many potential explanations, and I can't claim to know for sure. All I'm saying is that there is a suspicious track record involving both the country and specific individuals within government of going to war over made up or trumped up incidents very similar to this one.

And man, is being on the conspiracy side of a debate a weird feeling.

[Fartsniffage]

Check the edit.

Fair enough. Having a political degree just makes you a theorist, though.

After about 12 years not really using it, it makes me someone who read a lot of books and wrote a bunch of essays. But I did ding your assumptions though didn't I?

[Scomagia]

Fair enough. Having a political degree just makes you a theorist, though.

After about 12 years not really using it, it makes me someone who read a lot of books and wrote a bunch of essays. But I did ding your assumptions though didn't I?

Yes, I suppose you did.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

It's fine to be curious. Jumping from "I, a complete political and military amateur can't see the angles" to "'Murica did it" is not reasonable. If that's not what you were doing, I apologize.

I'm more thinking it was some 3rd party. Terrorists or something. I just don't see how Iran would gain from this.

Edit: And my degree is in Politics and I served in the British Army.

I don't like Iran but they wouldn't do it. If they did, they would have started pointing fingers at others. Iran hasn't used this opportunity to do anything and there would be better ways to harm the United States. Time well tell and if there are more attacks, it will become clearer. That being said, if the ones a few months before were by the same government/terrorist group, they obviously have a plan and funds to carry it out.

[Washington Resistance Army]

CNN says fed.gov has images showing Iranian boats messing with some unexploded ordnance on one of the tankers.

[Fartsniffage]

CNN says fed.gov has images showing Iranian boats messing with some unexploded ordnance on one of the tankers.

Before or after the evacuations?

[Washington Resistance Army]

CNN says fed.gov has images showing Iranian boats messing with some unexploded ordnance on one of the tankers.

Before or after the evacuations?

Idk, I only just caught the tail end of the segment before they cut to commercials.

[Fartsniffage]

Before or after the evacuations?

Idk, I only just caught the tail end of the segment before they cut to commercials.

This whole thing just smells so bad.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Idk, I only just caught the tail end of the segment before they cut to commercials.

This whole thing just smells so bad.

Link for ye.

[Cerinda]

My guess is that this an attack by Al Qaeda or some other extremist Sunni Islamic group.

[Fartsniffage]

This whole thing just smells so bad.

Link for ye.

Like I said. Stinks.

Why are US military personell risking their jobs to talk about top secret imagery so soon after an attack?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Link for ye.

Like I said. Stinks.

Why are US military personell risking their jobs to talk about top secret imagery so soon after an attack?

Cuz people have been doing that for years lol. We have an awful amount of leaks at every level and branch of government.

[Fartsniffage]

Like I said. Stinks.

Why are US military personell risking their jobs to talk about top secret imagery so soon after an attack?

Cuz people have been doing that for years lol. We have an awful amount of leaks at every level and branch of government.

Well if it's all on the level then I would assume a bunch of military people are about to spend a long time in prison. I think I might be waiting a while for that.

[Trollgaard]

Fuck Iran.

Do they need a TASTE OF FREEDOM?

July 4th is approaching quick....maybe Tehran can be free and have the same Independence Day as the US?



Seriously though, screw Iran.

[Fartsniffage]

Fuck Iran.

Do they need a TASTE OF FREEDOM?

July 4th is approaching quick....maybe Tehran can be free and have the same Independence Day as the US?



Seriously though, screw Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U

[Trollgaard]

Fuck Iran.

Do they need a TASTE OF FREEDOM?

July 4th is approaching quick....maybe Tehran can be free and have the same Independence Day as the US?



Seriously though, screw Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U

Haha, that's great!

[Myrensis]

CNN says fed.gov has images showing Iranian boats messing with some unexploded ordnance on one of the tankers.

Color me skeptical. According to CNN US Navy ships and aircraft had all ready been onsite for hours...and so Iran sent one of their own boats to run up the freighter and grab a mine so nobody would know it was them?

If they do release anything, I expect it will be grainy footage of a small boat doing something near the freighter, and then just a lot of assurances about how it's totally Iranian you guys.

[United States of Ameruica]

It's probably another false flag sadly, and will sadly be used to push for war with Iran. They have been planning this for a long time now. the Zionists and the Neo-Cons. The Anglo-American Zionist Imperial world order has been waiting to seize an oppurtinity such as this.

[Loben The 2nd]

It's probably another false flag sadly, and will sadly be used to push for war with Iran. They have been planning this for a long time now. the Zionists and the Neo-Cons. The Anglo-American Zionist Imperial world order has been waiting to seize an oppurtinity such as this.

So many buzzwords /pol/ is shaking with anticipation.

[Fartsniffage]

It's probably another false flag sadly, and will sadly be used to push for war with Iran. They have been planning this for a long time now. the Zionists and the Neo-Cons. The Anglo-American Zionist Imperial world order has been waiting to seize an oppurtinity such as this.

So many buzzwords /pol/ is shaking with anticipation.

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

[Loben The 2nd]

So many buzzwords /pol/ is shaking with anticipation.

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.

[Duhon]

So many buzzwords /pol/ is shaking with anticipation.

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

There are unknowns that are known, and there are unknowns that are unknown.

[Fartsniffage]

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.

lol.

I assume that countries do things because they expect a good thing happening. If you want me to think Iran did this then you have to give me some kind of motive. If you can't then I assume you're acting in bad faith.

[Duhon]

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.

The mullahs may be evil fucks, but they're not stupid. I have no love for their reign, but let John Bolton splooge his twisted dark fantasies into his hand.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Why do you think Iran would have done this? What do they gain?

Why should we trust Iran at all?

I fail to understand liberal infatuation with the place.

I mean, I understand the suspicions with Iran, given the history of hostility between Iran and the U.S., but.....is there any concrete evidence for some in the U.S. government to blame the country? Like Fart, I don't see what are the gains for Iran if they did this.