Iran vs the US Thread

[Khataiy]

If America doesn't want to go to war with Iran, that's fine but the US should hold no entitlement to comment on any other regional matter or enjoy any relations with any regional state, nor should the US benefit from any conquest of Iran, not only would a war with Iran make me happy, the level of joy I would have would be unparallel because they have gone far to long unchecked and have expanded, spreading their devil proxies like cancer across the Arab and Islamic world, God willing a second Qadisiya will come, Ahwaz is Arab.

You disgust me.

Look, here's the deal. God isn't real, Saudi Arabia oversteps bounds far more flagrantly than Iran ever did (daily reminder that the UN calls Saudi's involvement in Yemen a genocide), the US (and the friends they always bring to war with them, like the UK) shouldn't have to fight for you (you coward) and this war will only make Iranian ISIS a thing.

But Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons, importing Shias from Iran and Afghanistan to colonize areas he forcibly relocated Sunni Arabs and at times Kurds from and using the most brutal force known in torture, rape and murder isn't genocide right? Everything is good so long as you are part of Hezbollah and post a picture of a Christmas tree and adopt language talking about resistance and Zionism like a mantra? But God forbid you use adequate force to eliminate a dangerous Imperialist Sectarian force that is dedicated towards fighting you? The Houthis are so innocent torturing women, and running around with drugged up fighters, forcing kidnapped children to fight and firing ballistic missiles at our holy places, airports and apartment blocks.

The UN is a disgraceful organization nothing they say should ever be taken seriously and what's truly disgusting is anyone who has an ounce of sympathy towards Iran and its regime.

[Khataiy]

Who's defending Iran?

By "defend" Iran he means not wanting another disastrous war like Iraq.

A disastrous war that was initiated and benefited Iran putting them in the position they are in today, Saddam would have eliminated this threat if the Contra crime never happened, Saddam was the Arab lion and the Shield of the Arab nation.

[Aureumterra]

Sigh is Iran ever going to stop?

[Rojava Free State]

You disgust me.

Look, here's the deal. God isn't real, Saudi Arabia oversteps bounds far more flagrantly than Iran ever did (daily reminder that the UN calls Saudi's involvement in Yemen a genocide), the US (and the friends they always bring to war with them, like the UK) shouldn't have to fight for you (you coward) and this war will only make Iranian ISIS a thing.

But Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons, importing Shias from Iran and Afghanistan to colonize areas he forcibly relocated Sunni Arabs and at times Kurds from and using the most brutal force known in torture, rape and murder isn't genocide right? Everything is good so long as you are part of Hezbollah and post a picture of a Christmas tree and adopt language talking about resistance and Zionism like a mantra? But God forbid you use adequate force to eliminate a dangerous Imperialist Sectarian force that is dedicated towards fighting you? The Houthis are so innocent torturing women, and running around with drugged up fighters, forcing kidnapped children to fight and firing ballistic missiles at our holy places, airports and apartment blocks.

The UN is a disgraceful organization nothing they say should ever be taken seriously and what's truly disgusting is anyone who has an ounce of sympathy towards Iran and its regime.

And the Syrian rebels murder christians, slice heads off and wanna turn Syria into a sharia state. Assad is no saint, but hezbollah stays in the Levant while al Qaeda and other Sunni groups target innocent people worldwide in the name of allah. You're still fighting a 1000 year old battle that has no happy ending because your imaginary sky daddy told you "KILL INFIDELS!" I wish you and millions of other people worldwide would realize how stupid you're being, and if you're gonna kill innocent Persians because you and the ayatollahs have a mortal hatred, at least leave us out of it

[Cerinda]

By "defend" Iran he means not wanting another disastrous war like Iraq.

A disastrous war that was initiated and benefited Iran putting them in the position they are in today, Saddam would have eliminated this threat if the Contra crime never happened, Saddam was the Arab lion and the Shield of the Arab nation.

How in the hell did Iran initiate the Iraq war? Also the Irony you accuse Assad of using chemical weapons while that evil bastard Saddam literally did, but I forgot it was against those "evil Persians and Shiites so it was justified", if you want to go war with Iran then go ahead, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be glad if you did but don't drag American soldiers to die in a war to fill your genocidal dreams.

Also what the fuck do the Contras have to do with anything?

[Khataiy]

But Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons, importing Shias from Iran and Afghanistan to colonize areas he forcibly relocated Sunni Arabs and at times Kurds from and using the most brutal force known in torture, rape and murder isn't genocide right? Everything is good so long as you are part of Hezbollah and post a picture of a Christmas tree and adopt language talking about resistance and Zionism like a mantra? But God forbid you use adequate force to eliminate a dangerous Imperialist Sectarian force that is dedicated towards fighting you? The Houthis are so innocent torturing women, and running around with drugged up fighters, forcing kidnapped children to fight and firing ballistic missiles at our holy places, airports and apartment blocks.

The UN is a disgraceful organization nothing they say should ever be taken seriously and what's truly disgusting is anyone who has an ounce of sympathy towards Iran and its regime.

And the Syrian rebels murder christians, slice heads off and wanna turn Syria into a sharia state. Assad is no saint, but hezbollah stays in the Levant while al Qaeda and other Sunni groups target innocent people worldwide in the name of allah. You're still fighting a 1000 year old battle that has no happy ending because your imaginary sky daddy told you "KILL INFIDELS!" I wish you and millions of other people worldwide would realize how stupid you're being, and if you're gonna kill innocent Persians because you and the ayatollahs have a mortal hatred, at least leave us out of it

LOL

"HeAd ChOpPerS" (I don't get the obsession)

Syrian Arab Coalition − In a common statement published on Facebook, two Syrian Democratic Forces factions, the Northern Democratic Brigade which is originally from Idlib and the Army of Revolutionaries, announced their readiness to participate in the defense of the city

ADD. : the statement is also using a rhetoric rarely seen in #SDF ranks, calling to stop "Shia invasion" and considering #Iran intervention as bad as the turkish one. - These are your Rojava boys backed by Saudi Arabia (See here and here)

[Khataiy]

A disastrous war that was initiated and benefited Iran putting them in the position they are in today, Saddam would have eliminated this threat if the Contra crime never happened, Saddam was the Arab lion and the Shield of the Arab nation.

How in the hell did Iran initiate the Iraq war? Also the Irony you accuse Assad of using chemical weapons while that evil bastard Saddam literally did, but I forgot it was against those "evil Persians and Shiites so it was justified", if you want to go war with Iran then go ahead, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be glad if you did but don't drag American soldiers to die in a war to fill your genocidal dreams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr_Organization

[Vassenor]

Sigh is Iran ever going to stop?

You have evidence that Iran did this beyond the band of chickenhawks in the U.S. government saying so?

[Khataiy]

A disastrous war that was initiated and benefited Iran putting them in the position they are in today, Saddam would have eliminated this threat if the Contra crime never happened, Saddam was the Arab lion and the Shield of the Arab nation.

How in the hell did Iran initiate the Iraq war? Also the Irony you accuse Assad of using chemical weapons while that evil bastard Saddam literally did, but I forgot it was against those "evil Persians and Shiites so it was justified", if you want to go war with Iran then go ahead, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be glad if you did but don't drag American soldiers to die in a war to fill your genocidal dreams.

Also what the fuck do the Contras have to do with anything?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%8 ... tra_affair

SMH I have to do everything here

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The Trump admin doesn't believe it needs any legitimate casus belli to initiate hostilities with Iran.

you have any proof that this there position?

John Bolton, Trump's National Security Advisor is a notorious warhawk and his presence in the administration alone is proof enough that there's a push for war going on.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Great, Khataiy's all jacked up for a war he won't fight in. Fucking great.

There wont be a war.

Everytime NSG says something will cause a war it doesnt happen.

[Cerinda]

How in the hell did Iran initiate the Iraq war? Also the Irony you accuse Assad of using chemical weapons while that evil bastard Saddam literally did, but I forgot it was against those "evil Persians and Shiites so it was justified", if you want to go war with Iran then go ahead, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be glad if you did but don't drag American soldiers to die in a war to fill your genocidal dreams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr_Organization

Giving a link to a Wikipedia page to some random Iraqi group isn't an argument. Of course I don't expect anything else from Al Qaeda supporters.

[Chan Island]

This is what Iran has done,

Yemen

Iraq

Syria

Ah, so that justifies these atrocities.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sa ... yemen-msf/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... d-supplies

You disgust me.

Look, here's the deal. God isn't real, Saudi Arabia oversteps bounds far more flagrantly than Iran ever did (daily reminder that the UN calls Saudi's involvement in Yemen a genocide), the US (and the friends they always bring to war with them, like the UK) shouldn't have to fight for you (you coward) and this war will only make Iranian ISIS a thing.

But Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons, importing Shias from Iran and Afghanistan to colonize areas he forcibly relocated Sunni Arabs and at times Kurds from and using the most brutal force known in torture, rape and murder isn't genocide right? Everything is good so long as you are part of Hezbollah and post a picture of a Christmas tree and adopt language talking about resistance and Zionism like a mantra? But God forbid you use adequate force to eliminate a dangerous Imperialist Sectarian force that is dedicated towards fighting you? The Houthis are so innocent torturing women, and running around with drugged up fighters, forcing kidnapped children to fight and firing ballistic missiles at our holy places, airports and apartment blocks.

The UN is a disgraceful organization nothing they say should ever be taken seriously and what's truly disgusting is anyone who has an ounce of sympathy towards Iran and its regime.

I have no sympathy towards the Iranian regime, but that's a far cry from wanting to go to war with them like you do.

Meanwhile of course the rebels routinely massacre civilians (hey, remember that time a rebel commander literally ate the still beating heart of an Assad soldier?), ISIS ethnically cleansed entire religious communities who had been there for millennia and the links posted above.

Of course, the trick is, before we continue trading horror stories, is that my position is for them to stop. The Middle East has seen and been through enough war. Invading Iran will cause of stories precisely like these ones to emerge, but their locations will just be in Tehran and Hormuz instead of in Aleppo or Mosul. It will grind on for years and years, the fighting in Syria (where Iran's boy Assad has basically won anyway so there's that- and I hate Assad too by the way), Iraq and Yemen will continue to produce a mountain of bodies.

How many civilians riddled with bullet holes and disfigured by bombs will it take for you to realise that there is nothing joyful or glorious in war? And if the answer is more than the current mountain, than the very least you can do is not pray to add a couple of American (and, inevitably, British) bodies on the pile too.

[Khataiy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badr_Organization

Giving a link to a Wikipedia page to some random Iraqi group isn't an argument. Of course I don't expect anything else from Al Qaeda supporters.

Because of their opposition to Saddam Hussein, the Badr Brigade was seen as a U.S. asset in the fight against Baathist partisans. After the fall of Baghdad, Badr forces reportedly joined the newly reconstituted army, police and Interior Ministry in significant numbers. The Interior Ministry was controlled by SCIRI and many Badr members became part of the Interior Ministry run Wolf Brigade. The Iraqi Interior Minister, Bayan Jabr, was a former leader of Badr Brigade militia.

[Cerinda]

How in the hell did Iran initiate the Iraq war? Also the Irony you accuse Assad of using chemical weapons while that evil bastard Saddam literally did, but I forgot it was against those "evil Persians and Shiites so it was justified", if you want to go war with Iran then go ahead, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be glad if you did but don't drag American soldiers to die in a war to fill your genocidal dreams.

Also what the fuck do the Contras have to do with anything?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%8 ... tra_affair

SMH I have to do everything here

That still doesn't explain anything. By 1982 Iran had pushed Iraq out of it's borders so I don't see how something that happened in 1985 had anything to do with it and I also don't see how Saddam would have done anything since it was because of him that Iraq lost the war.

[Khataiy]

This is what Iran has done,

Yemen

Iraq

Syria

Ah, so that justifies these atrocities.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sa ... yemen-msf/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... d-supplies

But Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons, importing Shias from Iran and Afghanistan to colonize areas he forcibly relocated Sunni Arabs and at times Kurds from and using the most brutal force known in torture, rape and murder isn't genocide right? Everything is good so long as you are part of Hezbollah and post a picture of a Christmas tree and adopt language talking about resistance and Zionism like a mantra? But God forbid you use adequate force to eliminate a dangerous Imperialist Sectarian force that is dedicated towards fighting you? The Houthis are so innocent torturing women, and running around with drugged up fighters, forcing kidnapped children to fight and firing ballistic missiles at our holy places, airports and apartment blocks.

The UN is a disgraceful organization nothing they say should ever be taken seriously and what's truly disgusting is anyone who has an ounce of sympathy towards Iran and its regime.

I have no sympathy towards the Iranian regime, but that's a far cry from wanting to go to war with them like you do.

Meanwhile of course the rebels routinely massacre civilians (hey, remember that time a rebel commander literally ate the still beating heart of an Assad soldier?), ISIS ethnically cleansed entire religious communities who had been there for millennia and the links posted above.

Of course, the trick is, before we continue trading horror stories, is that my position is for them to stop. The Middle East has seen and been through enough war. Invading Iran will cause of stories precisely like these ones to emerge, but their locations will just be in Tehran and Hormuz instead of in Aleppo or Mosul. It will grind on for years and years, the fighting in Syria (where Iran's boy Assad has basically won anyway so there's that- and I hate Assad too by the way), Iraq and Yemen will continue to produce a mountain of bodies.

How many civilians riddled with bullet holes and disfigured by bombs will it take for you to realise that there is nothing joyful or glorious in war? And if the answer is more than the current mountain, than the very least you can do is not pray to add a couple of American (and, inevitably, British) bodies on the pile too.

Nice fake news,

And yeah I know poor X minority groups, Y group are head choppers, this guy ate a heart, Assad is a lesser evil cuz he has hard on for Khamenei, Yemen is suffering and the Houthis are peace loving freedom fighters who do no wrong but if they were the Free Syrian Army they would literally Satan himself. I know.

[Khataiy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%8 ... tra_affair

SMH I have to do everything here

That still doesn't explain anything. By 1982 Iran had pushed Iraq out of it's borders so I don't see how something that happened in 1985 had anything to do with it and I also don't see how Saddam would have done anything since it was because of him that Iraq lost the war.

You literally don't get it Iran and the Zionists are one they worked very hard for an extremely long time to remove Saddam because he was the only thing standing the way of leading a successful and powerful Arab nation and defending Arabs from the plots of the Zionists and Neo-Safavids.

[Scomagia]

I see the conspiracy theories are already in full force.

"Teh ebil empire is staging a false flag to invade the poor, innocent Iranians."

Please.

[Cerinda]

That still doesn't explain anything. By 1982 Iran had pushed Iraq out of it's borders so I don't see how something that happened in 1985 had anything to do with it and I also don't see how Saddam would have done anything since it was because of him that Iraq lost the war.

You literally don't get it Iran and the Zionists are one they worked very hard for an extremely long time to remove Saddam because he was the only thing standing the way of leading a successful and powerful Arab nation and defending Arabs from the plots of the Zionists and Neo-Safavids.

Lol alright then, keep deluding yourself. Keep acting like you're going to fight Iran (which you won't), because I'm pretty sure you won't be so optimistic when you get blown to bits by a tank shell.

[Saiwania]

This might be the casus belli I'm looking for that'll enable a war with Iran. I want it to go through. But just in case peace can be given a chance. I'm willing to pursue a far more limited engagement. I say we resume oil tanker shipments, but this time around it'll be militarily escorted. If anything wants to attack these ships, we'll be ready this time and destroy them on the open water. Using the wreckage, we can know who's it is for sure.

[Scomagia]

Great, Khataiy's all jacked up for a war he won't fight in. Fucking great.

There wont be a war.

Everytime NSG says something will cause a war it doesnt happen.

Exactly.

[Khataiy]

This might be the casus belli I'm looking for that'll enable a war with Iran. I want it to go through. But just in case peace can be given a chance. I'm willing to pursue a far more limited engagement. I say we resume oil tanker shipments, but this time around it'll be militarily escorted. If anything wants to attack these ships, we'll be ready this time and destroy them on the open water. Using the wreckage, we can know who's it is for sure.

I like it

[Khataiy]

I see the conspiracy theories are already in full force.

"Teh ebil empire is staging a false flag to invade the poor, innocent Iranians."

Please.

False flaggers are hilarious

[Chan Island]

Ah, so that justifies these atrocities.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sa ... yemen-msf/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... d-supplies



I have no sympathy towards the Iranian regime, but that's a far cry from wanting to go to war with them like you do.

Meanwhile of course the rebels routinely massacre civilians (hey, remember that time a rebel commander literally ate the still beating heart of an Assad soldier?), ISIS ethnically cleansed entire religious communities who had been there for millennia and the links posted above.

Of course, the trick is, before we continue trading horror stories, is that my position is for them to stop. The Middle East has seen and been through enough war. Invading Iran will cause of stories precisely like these ones to emerge, but their locations will just be in Tehran and Hormuz instead of in Aleppo or Mosul. It will grind on for years and years, the fighting in Syria (where Iran's boy Assad has basically won anyway so there's that- and I hate Assad too by the way), Iraq and Yemen will continue to produce a mountain of bodies.

How many civilians riddled with bullet holes and disfigured by bombs will it take for you to realise that there is nothing joyful or glorious in war? And if the answer is more than the current mountain, than the very least you can do is not pray to add a couple of American (and, inevitably, British) bodies on the pile too.

Nice fake news,

And yeah I know poor X minority groups, Y group are head choppers, this guy ate a heart, Assad is a lesser evil cuz he has hard on for Khamenei, Yemen is suffering and the Houthis are peace loving freedom fighters who do no wrong but if they were the Free Syrian Army they would literally Satan himself. I know.

I'd bring out the horror stories of the treatment Yazidis under ISIS, but I suspect you'd view those rather favourably. Head chopping is barbaric, so is eating human hearts. Yemen is suffering because the Saudis waged a campaign to starve them out, on purpose. But, I'm sorry, an angry man in a black balaclava told you that was God's will so now you'll defend it to the death.

Nice strawmanning my position though. Once again, I say all of you in the ME should either a) get yourselves sitting on a table and negotiating a goddamn ceasefire or b) not insist on bringing the west in to fight all of your battles.

Also, I've noticed you're bringing up zionists.... are not aware that the Israelis are some of the most enthusiastic backers of an invasion of Iran of them all? So guess who's aiding the zionist agenda now.

[Khataiy]

Nice fake news,

And yeah I know poor X minority groups, Y group are head choppers, this guy ate a heart, Assad is a lesser evil cuz he has hard on for Khamenei, Yemen is suffering and the Houthis are peace loving freedom fighters who do no wrong but if they were the Free Syrian Army they would literally Satan himself. I know.

I'd bring out the horror stories of the treatment Yazidis under ISIS, but I suspect you'd view those rather favourably. Head chopping is barbaric, so is eating human hearts. Yemen is suffering because the Saudis waged a campaign to starve them out, on purpose. But, I'm sorry, an angry man in a black balaclava told you that was God's will so now you'll defend it to the death.

Nice strawmanning my position though. Once again, I say all of you in the ME should either a) get yourselves sitting on a table and negotiating a goddamn ceasefire or b) not insist on bringing the west in to fight all of your battles.

Also, I've noticed you're bringing up zionists.... are not aware that the Israelis are some of the most enthusiastic backers of an invasion of Iran of them all? So guess who's aiding the zionist agenda now.

You deserve an A really.

Have a nice day