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by Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 2:26 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 2:32 pm
Gormwood wrote:Novus America wrote:
Again I am not saying we do it for the lols.
Daesh is dead anyways and could not set up in Iran though.
ISIS announces new 'branch' in India after clashes in Kashmir
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 21, 2019 2:32 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 2:35 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Novus America wrote:
Again I am not saying we do it for the lols.
Daesh is dead anyways and could not set up in Iran though.
I strongly disagree with the idea that they're dead. Baghdadi is still running around coordinating things and they're still active. Sure they lost all their directly held territory but they still exist.
by Impaled Nazarene » Tue May 21, 2019 2:52 pm
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue May 21, 2019 3:00 pm
Impaled Nazarene wrote:US track records for "installing Democracy" is a resounding: 0 Stable Democracies to Millions of Dead Civilians Killed By Corrupt And Extremist Governments installed By The US.
by Impaled Nazarene » Tue May 21, 2019 3:04 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:US track records for "installing Democracy" is a resounding: 0 Stable Democracies to Millions of Dead Civilians Killed By Corrupt And Extremist Governments installed By The US.
Germany
Japan
South Korea
Three stable democracies installed by the US.
The Soviet union is the one you are thinking of.
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 3:05 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:US track records for "installing Democracy" is a resounding: 0 Stable Democracies to Millions of Dead Civilians Killed By Corrupt And Extremist Governments installed By The US.
Germany
Japan
South Korea
Three stable democracies installed by the US.
The Soviet union is the one you are thinking of.
by Zhivotnoye » Tue May 21, 2019 3:33 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Zhivotnoye wrote:
That Russian support doesn't count for much. Russia isn't going to risk ww3 over Iran. As for chemical weapons, where exactly do you get that from?
They don't need to. Russia merely needs to supply weaponry much like the Americans did during the Soviet Afghan war.
As for chemical weapons
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_an ... al_weapons
Not to mention dirty bombs that they can easily manufacture.
by Nakena » Tue May 21, 2019 3:38 pm
Novus America wrote:Nakena wrote:The best thing to happen to Iran would be a total and radical revolt against Islam itself, up to the point where they obliberate it themself from their Nation to the last.
But this cannot come from outside.
This would be best of course. But it unfortunately will not happen.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 3:44 pm
by Vetalia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:24 pm
Grater Tovakia wrote:As of right now, people are not too happy with the current regim (ignore the shah lol). We would be able to take out the command and control facilities very quickly, and wipe out the RG. The most dangerous Iranian asset would be silkworms in the strait of Hormuz.
by Vetalia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Germany
Japan
South Korea
Three stable democracies installed by the US.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 4:30 pm
Vetalia wrote:Grater Tovakia wrote:As of right now, people are not too happy with the current regim (ignore the shah lol). We would be able to take out the command and control facilities very quickly, and wipe out the RG. The most dangerous Iranian asset would be silkworms in the strait of Hormuz.
They might not be happy with the current Iranian government, but they sure as hell hate the US a lot more as every single problem they have faced is a direct result of this country sticking its nose in their affairs...and on top of that nothing unites people more than being invaded by a hated foreign power. Invading Iran would produce a backlash easily comparable to the Germans invading the USSR in 1941; the US would be invading a mostly landlocked, heavily mountainous country with no nearby allies to provide logistical support and direct connection to Russia via the Caspian Sea.
Look what happened when Saddam tried to invade Iran back in the 1980s, he commanded an army vastly superior in arms, training and equipment and a much stronger economy (and not to mention used chemical weapons) vs. a country reeling from the aftermath of its revolution and still couldn't beat them. Today, Iran has a population nearly 40 million higher than back then and a much larger economy than it did back then, along with a modernized, loyal armed forces.
This would be an utter bloodbath costing trillions of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands of lives, which would achieve absolutely *nothing* other than to weaken the US, possibly irreparably.
by Aureumterra » Tue May 21, 2019 4:46 pm
Vetalia wrote:Grater Tovakia wrote:As of right now, people are not too happy with the current regim (ignore the shah lol). We would be able to take out the command and control facilities very quickly, and wipe out the RG. The most dangerous Iranian asset would be silkworms in the strait of Hormuz.
They might not be happy with the current Iranian government, but they sure as hell hate the US a lot more as every single problem they have faced is a direct result of this country sticking its nose in their affairs...and on top of that nothing unites people more than being invaded by a hated foreign power. Invading Iran would produce a backlash easily comparable to the Germans invading the USSR in 1941; the US would be invading a mostly landlocked, heavily mountainous country with no nearby allies to provide logistical support and direct connection to Russia via the Caspian Sea.
Look what happened when Saddam tried to invade Iran back in the 1980s, he commanded an army vastly superior in arms, training and equipment and a much stronger economy (and not to mention used chemical weapons) vs. a country reeling from the aftermath of its revolution and still couldn't beat them. Today, Iran has a population nearly 40 million higher than back then and a much larger economy than it did back then, along with a modernized, loyal armed forces.
This would be an utter bloodbath costing trillions of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands of lives, which would achieve absolutely *nothing* other than to weaken the US, possibly irreparably.
by Sidesh0w B0b » Tue May 21, 2019 4:48 pm
Novus America wrote:Vetalia wrote:
They might not be happy with the current Iranian government, but they sure as hell hate the US a lot more as every single problem they have faced is a direct result of this country sticking its nose in their affairs...and on top of that nothing unites people more than being invaded by a hated foreign power. Invading Iran would produce a backlash easily comparable to the Germans invading the USSR in 1941; the US would be invading a mostly landlocked, heavily mountainous country with no nearby allies to provide logistical support and direct connection to Russia via the Caspian Sea.
Look what happened when Saddam tried to invade Iran back in the 1980s, he commanded an army vastly superior in arms, training and equipment and a much stronger economy (and not to mention used chemical weapons) vs. a country reeling from the aftermath of its revolution and still couldn't beat them. Today, Iran has a population nearly 40 million higher than back then and a much larger economy than it did back then, along with a modernized, loyal armed forces.
This would be an utter bloodbath costing trillions of dollars and potentially hundreds of thousands of lives, which would achieve absolutely *nothing* other than to weaken the US, possibly irreparably.
You can beat a country without invading though.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:51 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 4:54 pm
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:Novus America wrote:
You can beat a country without invading though.
What? Like cancel the olympics? Put a marine barracks in Lebanon? Maybe arm Al Qaeda? OTOH there's North Vietnam which was invaded and bombed, proving invading a 4th rate power isn't always a win either. .
Actually I am hoping this thread will shrivel up and die bc nothing more will happen on this topic. *prays*
by Vetalia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:56 pm
Aureumterra wrote:The Iranain people want to get rid of the current government asap
by Vetalia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:59 pm
Novus America wrote:By destroying their government and military. We beat the Libyan regime without invading.
But yes, probably nothing comes of it anyways.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 5:04 pm
Vetalia wrote:Novus America wrote:By destroying their government and military. We beat the Libyan regime without invading.
But yes, probably nothing comes of it anyways.
Iran has a population 12 times that of Libya, a large economy and a well-armed, well-funded and loyal military and is a highly mountainous country that isn't a stone's throw away from Europe. And we can see what a brilliant success it was overthrowing Gaddafi in Libya, who knows what wonderful things would happen if the same happened in Iran?
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue May 21, 2019 5:20 pm
Zhivotnoye wrote:The link shows no sign of Iran having chemical weapons, only a U.S. accusation, but we know from experience how unreliable those are...
by Vetalia » Tue May 21, 2019 5:24 pm
Novus America wrote:Its military is not that well equipped and it has a very inefficient command structure.
It is well prepared for unconventional warfare but that is why we would be stupid to try to fight them by invasion and occupation.
Did I ever say wonderful things would happen? Of course they would not.
I simply said we could win, I never said it would bring peace and happiness and whatever.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 5:39 pm
Vetalia wrote:Novus America wrote:Its military is not that well equipped and it has a very inefficient command structure.
It is well prepared for unconventional warfare but that is why we would be stupid to try to fight them by invasion and occupation.
Did I ever say wonderful things would happen? Of course they would not.
I simply said we could win, I never said it would bring peace and happiness and whatever.
Much better equipped and commanded than Iraq's was in 1991 or 2003, though, and much more loyal.
That being said, we only "win" if we achieve a specific objective that benefits the US in the long term. As you describe it, all we would achieve is wasting huge amounts money and American lives while simultaneously strengthening the Iranian government as they rally the people of Iran (and plenty of neighboring countries) against an act of aggressive war from the now widely-hated United States, while also making the US look even more like a warmongering bully to the rest of the world than it already does. The intervention in Libya was a disaster big enough for a generation, we certainly don't need another one in that part of the world. By any measure, this is a loss.
Maybe we just don't do anything and let the Iranians be? Lift the sanctions and normalize relations and maybe then we can work on actually achieving peaceful regime change in Iran.
Israel has a powerful military and its own stockpile of nuclear weapons and can more than take care of itself if Iran tries to start anything, especially if we support them in the face of an attack by Iran.
by Nakena » Tue May 21, 2019 5:46 pm
Vetalia wrote:Maybe we just don't do anything and let the Iranians be? Lift the sanctions and normalize relations and maybe then we can work on actually achieving peaceful regime change in Iran.
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