Iran vs the US Thread

[Aureumterra]

Basically my idea is fund anything that’s against the current regime. And apparently a lot of people in Iran are pro-monarchy more than they are pro-commie

That’s the wonder of Iran, unlike Saudi, there is a vocal opposition and room for regime change, preferably pro-democracy, but hey, I can take a monarchy over a theocracy

[Thermodolia]

DoD tests have long shown that a war with Iran would be a deeply costly affair (20,000+ American casualties in the opening volleys), trying to actually make that a reality would very likely cripple our nation with the amount of unrest and backlash it would cause on top of already existing issues. Gonna be a hard pass from me, I'm not ready for the Boogaloo just yet.

I’m firmly against war with Iran. Iran unlike Iraq or Afghanistan isn’t mostly desert. They got a shit ton of jungles. If we invade Iran we’d have to change the meme to the “trees speak Farsi”

Also is that 20k+ number the amount of deaths or total casualties, meaning including injuries?

[Washington Resistance Army]

DoD tests have long shown that a war with Iran would be a deeply costly affair (20,000+ American casualties in the opening volleys), trying to actually make that a reality would very likely cripple our nation with the amount of unrest and backlash it would cause on top of already existing issues. Gonna be a hard pass from me, I'm not ready for the Boogaloo just yet.

I’m firmly against war with Iran. Iran unlike Iraq or Afghanistan isn’t mostly desert. They got a shit ton of jungles. If we invade Iran we’d have to change the meme to the “trees speak Farsi”

Also is that 20k+ number the amount of deaths or total casualties, meaning including injuries?

Deaths. In the MC02 exercises Lt. General Van Ripper was in charge of Iran and managed to destroy one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious assault ships right off the bat. The entire thing was a shitshow and then DoD tried to bury it and adopted a McNamara-eqsue attitude of "well we could never lose!" instead of learning from it.

[Farnhamia]

A majority Muslim country wants to exterminate Islam. Sure.

Then again they are a threat to USA and by proxy the west so I say a nice big blockade followed by bombing that make Dresden look like a small camp fire

Yeah, we don't wish death and destruction on people here.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Crockerland]

Iran: Screams “Death to America” in government

Pacifists: Iran means no harm, now Saudi is the REAL problem
sounds legit

The Dalai Lama: If somebody is shooting at you, it makes sense to shoot back
Le ebin western "pacifists": Umm sweetie I follow buddha's teachings and if the Iranians want to blow you up with nuclear bombs you should just let them , read the bible

[Klorgia1]

Iran is a regional superpower in an environment which will not easily be unified again. There are parts of that country no one will be able to realistically get to, and unlike the Iraqi's, they have 80 million people and billions of dollars.

It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor of war on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of it. I could realistically see the Saudi economy collapsing, thus triggering something much worse.

Oh, and might I suggest an 'other' option on the polls for yes and no? Thank you.

[Thermodolia]

I’m firmly against war with Iran. Iran unlike Iraq or Afghanistan isn’t mostly desert. They got a shit ton of jungles. If we invade Iran we’d have to change the meme to the “trees speak Farsi”

Also is that 20k+ number the amount of deaths or total casualties, meaning including injuries?

Deaths. In the MC02 exercises Lt. General Van Ripper was in charge of Iran and managed to destroy one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious assault ships right off the bat. The entire thing was a shitshow and then DoD tried to bury it and adopted a McNamara-eqsue attitude of "well we could never lose!" instead of learning from it.

Oh fuck. War with Iran would probably end up with the people storming the White House or a military coup. 20,000 dead in the first few months would erase any support the government had in this war.

[Thermodolia]

Iran: Screams “Death to America” in government

Pacifists: Iran means no harm, now Saudi is the REAL problem
sounds legit

The Dalai Lama: If somebody is shooting at you, it makes sense to shoot back
Le ebin western "pacifists": Umm sweetie I follow buddha's teachings and if the Iranians want to blow you up with nuclear bombs you should just let them , read the bible

There are other ways to stop Iran from gaining nuclear weapons than killing 20,000 Americans and wiping out an entire fleet

[Washington Resistance Army]

Deaths. In the MC02 exercises Lt. General Van Ripper was in charge of Iran and managed to destroy one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious assault ships right off the bat. The entire thing was a shitshow and then DoD tried to bury it and adopted a McNamara-eqsue attitude of "well we could never lose!" instead of learning from it.

Oh fuck. War with Iran would probably end up with the people storming the White House or a military coup. 20,000 dead in the first few months would erase any support the government had in this war.

Oh yeah, it would be a disaster. It would probably be even worse nowadays cuz our military is in even worse shape than in 2002 and the Iranians have only been getting better gear.

[Thermodolia]

Oh fuck. War with Iran would probably end up with the people storming the White House or a military coup. 20,000 dead in the first few months would erase any support the government had in this war.

Oh yeah, it would be a disaster. It would probably be even worse nowadays cuz our military is in even worse shape than in 2002 and the Iranians have only been getting better gear.

The protests would probably make the Vietnam war protests look like a picnic. I hope to god that Bolton doesn’t get us into another fucking mess. I rather like staying alive

[Crockerland]

It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly denies the Holocaust
Iran state sponsors Holocaust denial conference, attended by KKK leader David Duke
Iranian Prime Minister Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denies the Holocaust in his new year's address
Iran ships weaponry to holocaust-denying, Hitler-admiring terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as they wage global war against the Jews wherever they can be found

Can't believe Netanyahu did these awful things!

[The Huskar Social Union]

No war plox

[Thermodolia]

It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly denies the Holocaust
Iran state sponsors Holocaust denial conference, attended by KKK leader David Duke
Iranian Prime Minister Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denies the Holocaust in his new year's address
Iran ships weaponry to holocaust-denying, Hitler-admiring terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as they wage global war against the Jews wherever they can be found

Can't believe Netanyahu did these awful things!

Not one of those is a reason to go to war. And Netanyahu has been fanning the flames of war. The guy needs to be kicked out of office pronto

[Thermodolia]

No war plox

You and me both. Let’s just leave the Middle East entirely

[Klorgia1]

It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly denies the Holocaust
Iran state sponsors Holocaust denial conference, attended by KKK leader David Duke
Iranian Prime Minister Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denies the Holocaust in his new year's address
Iran ships weaponry to holocaust-denying, Hitler-admiring terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as they wage global war against the Jews wherever they can be found

Can't believe Netanyahu did these awful things!

I'm not saying Netanyahu is the cause behind hate between Israel and Iran; But I'm saying no matter how tempting it may be, I hope he doesn't hop on the Trump-Train to (official) war town.

[Badb Catha]

Normally I refrain from endorsing foreign intervention into sovereign countries, but when these sovereign countries pose a risk to the outside world then it is very clear that intervention is necessary. Iran is a known sponsor of terrorism, continues to pursue a policy of nuclear armament, and has shown concerning attitudes toward several of it's neighbors. The current Iranian government is very clearly a threat to stability in West Asia and it must be removed whether by popular uprising or foreign involvement. Though I do not think invasion is necessary; the Iranian people are largely disapproving of their government and have always been. Those who overthrew Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi were a weak minority then and still are a weak minority to this day. I believe pressing the Iranian people into action will be much more effective and much less destabilizing for the country - Iranians know their country and government better, and with foreign backing can easily overthrow their unloved government. They may very well be able to do so legally and without violence, which is ultimately the preferred outcome and certainly not something an invading army can accomplish. If they succeed they may very well be able to return to the prosperous times they enjoyed under the reign of the Pahlavi Dynasty or perhaps even greater.

Others benefit as well: with Iran pacified the Saudi stranglehold over US politics may loosen as they will find themselves far less useful in the region as they are no longer an alternative to Iranian influence; Israel will no longer have to worry about a potential threat of nuclear annihilation; the terrorist group Hezbollah will lose one of it's most important backers, which could potentially weaken the organization and benefiting the non-Shi'ite populations of Israel, Lebanon, and Syria alike.

[Nakena]

Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allies across the world. They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west, habouring its enemies and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.

While I am usually against interventionism, the Regime in Iran has it coming since quite a while. Given the unpredictable consequences, I am not in support of a full out war or even invasion, but they need to be called out on their false game they have been playing. They need to understand that they can no longer get away with it and that the US means business and that any further act of hostility will result in an adequate response.

[Aureumterra]

Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allys across the world. They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west, habouring its enemies and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.

While I am usually against interventionism, the Regime in Iran has it coming since quite a while. Given the unpredictable consequences, I am not in support of a war or even military action against them, but they need to be called out on their false game they have been playing. They need to understand that they can no longer get away with it and that the US means business and that any further act of hostility will result in an adequate response.

Iran is one of the few regimes with a vocal opposition, it just needs funding. The Islamic Revolution itself was done by an elite minority, and protests immediately followed it

[Zhivotnoye]

with fear of both the waste of money and life leading into what will become an endless war.

It's quite interesting how you place money before life.

Others speculate an invasion of Iran could prove much harder than that of Iraq and many more US operatives may be killed[1].

Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.

I know my breakdown is fairly basic, but I'd like to hear NS's opinions on this whole debacle? Is this Iraq II or something different? Should we go to war or no?

It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.

No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.

The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.

[Rio Cana]

Like I posted one week ago, with the US so preoccupied with Iran it seems the US has tossed Venezuela aside for the time being. And it seems the US Pres. is not sticking to his campaign promise of getting the US out of regional conflicts that drain taxpayers money. Iran should be a little harder to occupy then other nations unless the US has allies inside the nation.

[Aureumterra]

with fear of both the waste of money and life leading into what will become an endless war.

It's quite interesting how you place money before life.

Others speculate an invasion of Iran could prove much harder than that of Iraq and many more US operatives may be killed[1].

Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.

I know my breakdown is fairly basic, but I'd like to hear NS's opinions on this whole debacle? Is this Iraq II or something different? Should we go to war or no?

It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.

No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.

The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.

America does have allies in Iran: Most Iranian people

The opposition to the government in Iran is at its peak right now, it should be taken advantage of

[Rio Cana]

It's quite interesting how you place money before life.



Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.



It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.

No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.

The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.

America does have allies in Iran: Most Iranian people

The opposition to the government in Iran is at its peak right now, it should be taken advantage of

It seems there is a Iranian US based political party in the US. This Iranian political party seems quite pro-Western. They say they have supporters over there.

This on them - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farashgard

Found this from this year. Seems this group is allied with the US Pres. - https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/i ... ian-regime

[Aclion]

Like I posted one week ago, with the US so preoccupied with Iran it seems the US has tossed Venezuela aside for the time being. And it seems the US Pres. is not sticking to his campaign promise of getting the US out of regional conflicts that drain taxpayers money. Iran should be a little harder to occupy then other nations unless the US has allies inside the nation.

You talk like we're getting involved in either.

[Zhivotnoye]

Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allies across the world. They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west, habouring its enemies and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.

While I am usually against interventionism, the Regime in Iran has it coming since quite a while. Given the unpredictable consequences, I am not in support of a ful out war or even invasion, but they need to be called out on their false game they have been playing. They need to understand that they can no longer get away with it and that the US means business and that any further act of hostility will result in an adequate response.

Gotta love the hypocrisy in this post.
You're saying the U.S. should be hard on Iran concerning the acts above, but let's take a closer look at them.

Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allies across the world.

Just like the U.S. has shown consistent hostility towards Iran for the past 40 years. Oh, don't involve "their allies across the world" in it, as that's not the case. Really only the U.K. and Israel.

Not to forget that Iran has good reason to be hostile against the U.S. after all the U.S. has done against their country (supporting a dictator for over 20 years, supporting a country which invaded Iran, shooting down an Iranian passenger flight, just to name some things).

They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west

Just like "the west" has repeatedly engaged in terrorist attacks against Iran (Iran Air Flight 655, the assassinations of Masoud Alimohammadi, Majid Shahriari, Darioush Rezaeinejad and Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, and the attempted assassination of Fereydoon Abbasi etc.).

habouring its enemies

Just like "the west" actively harbours enemies of Iran, including terrorists.

and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.

Hardly any serious reconciliation attempts have been made, and during the most serious one it was the U.S. who pulled out in order to return to the usual business of making threats against Iran.

[Zhivotnoye]

It's quite interesting how you place money before life.



Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.



It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.

No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.

The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.

America does have allies in Iran: Most Iranian people

The opposition to the government in Iran is at its peak right now, it should be taken advantage of

Good joke.