That’s the wonder of Iran, unlike Saudi, there is a vocal opposition and room for regime change, preferably pro-democracy, but hey, I can take a monarchy over a theocracy
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by Aureumterra » Mon May 20, 2019 2:10 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:14 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:DoD tests have long shown that a war with Iran would be a deeply costly affair (20,000+ American casualties in the opening volleys), trying to actually make that a reality would very likely cripple our nation with the amount of unrest and backlash it would cause on top of already existing issues. Gonna be a hard pass from me, I'm not ready for the Boogaloo just yet.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 20, 2019 2:16 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:DoD tests have long shown that a war with Iran would be a deeply costly affair (20,000+ American casualties in the opening volleys), trying to actually make that a reality would very likely cripple our nation with the amount of unrest and backlash it would cause on top of already existing issues. Gonna be a hard pass from me, I'm not ready for the Boogaloo just yet.
I’m firmly against war with Iran. Iran unlike Iraq or Afghanistan isn’t mostly desert. They got a shit ton of jungles. If we invade Iran we’d have to change the meme to the “trees speak Farsi”
Also is that 20k+ number the amount of deaths or total casualties, meaning including injuries?
by Farnhamia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:18 pm
by Crockerland » Mon May 20, 2019 2:19 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Iran: Screams “Death to America” in government
Pacifists: Iran means no harm, now Saudi is the REAL problem
sounds legit
by Klorgia1 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:20 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:23 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Thermodolia wrote:I’m firmly against war with Iran. Iran unlike Iraq or Afghanistan isn’t mostly desert. They got a shit ton of jungles. If we invade Iran we’d have to change the meme to the “trees speak Farsi”
Also is that 20k+ number the amount of deaths or total casualties, meaning including injuries?
Deaths. In the MC02 exercises Lt. General Van Ripper was in charge of Iran and managed to destroy one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious assault ships right off the bat. The entire thing was a shitshow and then DoD tried to bury it and adopted a McNamara-eqsue attitude of "well we could never lose!" instead of learning from it.
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:24 pm
Crockerland wrote:Aureumterra wrote:Iran: Screams “Death to America” in government
Pacifists: Iran means no harm, now Saudi is the REAL problem
sounds legit
The Dalai Lama: If somebody is shooting at you, it makes sense to shoot back
Le ebin western "pacifists": Umm sweetie I follow buddha's teachings and if the Iranians want to blow you up with nuclear bombs you should just let them , read the bible
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 20, 2019 2:27 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Deaths. In the MC02 exercises Lt. General Van Ripper was in charge of Iran and managed to destroy one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious assault ships right off the bat. The entire thing was a shitshow and then DoD tried to bury it and adopted a McNamara-eqsue attitude of "well we could never lose!" instead of learning from it.
Oh fuck. War with Iran would probably end up with the people storming the White House or a military coup. 20,000 dead in the first few months would erase any support the government had in this war.
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:29 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Oh fuck. War with Iran would probably end up with the people storming the White House or a military coup. 20,000 dead in the first few months would erase any support the government had in this war.
Oh yeah, it would be a disaster. It would probably be even worse nowadays cuz our military is in even worse shape than in 2002 and the Iranians have only been getting better gear.
by Crockerland » Mon May 20, 2019 2:30 pm
Klorgia1 wrote:It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 pm
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 pm
Crockerland wrote:Klorgia1 wrote:It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly denies the Holocaust
Iran state sponsors Holocaust denial conference, attended by KKK leader David Duke
Iranian Prime Minister Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denies the Holocaust in his new year's address
Iran ships weaponry to holocaust-denying, Hitler-admiring terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as they wage global war against the Jews wherever they can be found
Can't believe Netanyahu did these awful things!
by Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm
The Huskar Social Union wrote:No war plox
by Klorgia1 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:37 pm
Crockerland wrote:Klorgia1 wrote:It is my hope Netanyahu doesn't fan the flames in favor on the Israeli side, but they should be able to hold in the event of war.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publicly denies the Holocaust
Iran state sponsors Holocaust denial conference, attended by KKK leader David Duke
Iranian Prime Minister Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denies the Holocaust in his new year's address
Iran ships weaponry to holocaust-denying, Hitler-admiring terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah as they wage global war against the Jews wherever they can be found
Can't believe Netanyahu did these awful things!
by Badb Catha » Mon May 20, 2019 2:53 pm
by Nakena » Mon May 20, 2019 3:08 pm
by Aureumterra » Mon May 20, 2019 3:11 pm
Nakena wrote:Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allys across the world. They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west, habouring its enemies and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.
While I am usually against interventionism, the Regime in Iran has it coming since quite a while. Given the unpredictable consequences, I am not in support of a war or even military action against them, but they need to be called out on their false game they have been playing. They need to understand that they can no longer get away with it and that the US means business and that any further act of hostility will result in an adequate response.
by Zhivotnoye » Mon May 20, 2019 3:21 pm
Spodehaven wrote:with fear of both the waste of money and life leading into what will become an endless war.
Spodehaven wrote:Others speculate an invasion of Iran could prove much harder than that of Iraq and many more US operatives may be killed[1].
Spodehaven wrote:I know my breakdown is fairly basic, but I'd like to hear NS's opinions on this whole debacle? Is this Iraq II or something different? Should we go to war or no?
by Rio Cana » Mon May 20, 2019 3:24 pm
by Aureumterra » Mon May 20, 2019 3:29 pm
Zhivotnoye wrote:Spodehaven wrote:with fear of both the waste of money and life leading into what will become an endless war.
It's quite interesting how you place money before life.Spodehaven wrote:Others speculate an invasion of Iran could prove much harder than that of Iraq and many more US operatives may be killed[1].
Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.Spodehaven wrote:I know my breakdown is fairly basic, but I'd like to hear NS's opinions on this whole debacle? Is this Iraq II or something different? Should we go to war or no?
It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.
No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.
The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.
by Rio Cana » Mon May 20, 2019 3:42 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Zhivotnoye wrote:
It's quite interesting how you place money before life.
Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.
It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.
No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.
The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.
America does have allies in Iran: Most Iranian people
The opposition to the government in Iran is at its peak right now, it should be taken advantage of
by Aclion » Mon May 20, 2019 3:53 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Like I posted one week ago, with the US so preoccupied with Iran it seems the US has tossed Venezuela aside for the time being. And it seems the US Pres. is not sticking to his campaign promise of getting the US out of regional conflicts that drain taxpayers money. Iran should be a little harder to occupy then other nations unless the US has allies inside the nation.
by Zhivotnoye » Mon May 20, 2019 4:00 pm
Nakena wrote:Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allies across the world. They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west, habouring its enemies and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.
While I am usually against interventionism, the Regime in Iran has it coming since quite a while. Given the unpredictable consequences, I am not in support of a ful out war or even invasion, but they need to be called out on their false game they have been playing. They need to understand that they can no longer get away with it and that the US means business and that any further act of hostility will result in an adequate response.
Nakena wrote:Over the past 40 years since it's creation the Islamic Republic and their Syrian and Hezbollah allies have shown consistently a deep hostility towards the United States and their allies across the world.
Nakena wrote:They have repeatedly engaged in terrorist (Beirut Bombings in 1983 and 84, quite possibly some terrorist attacks attributed to Gaddhafi) and other hostile acts against the west
Nakena wrote:habouring its enemies
Nakena wrote:and more often than not responded in bad faith and deceptive manners whenever attempts of reconciliation of this flawed relationship were made.
by Zhivotnoye » Mon May 20, 2019 4:02 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Zhivotnoye wrote:
It's quite interesting how you place money before life.
Another interesting choice, concerning yourself with the deaths of the possible agressors rather than the deaths of the possible victims.
It'd be much, much worse than Iraq. Iraq suffered from incompetent leadership and it had no allies whatsoever. Iran has competent leadership, allies throughout the region and has been preparing for this very war for decades. Such a war would be a slaughter on both sides with no results except a new height in resentment against the U.S.
No, i do not support such a war, and to go even further, if this war would take place i'd openly support Iran and cheer for every killed U.S. politician and soldier alike.
If anything, they messed up more than enough times to learn from their mistakes.
The worst thing is that as we speak Trump is the only one stopping the U.S. from going to war with Iran. If Bolton and Pompeo had it their way war would've erupted years ago already.
America does have allies in Iran: Most Iranian people
The opposition to the government in Iran is at its peak right now, it should be taken advantage of
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