Iran vs the US Thread

[Emazia]

>TFW you write a mini-newspaper article on NS and everyone just ignores it.

[Thermodolia]

The 2 greatest US allies in the Middle East.
1. Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East
2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a different Islam than Iran (I forgot whether it was sunni or shia and don't want to offend the muslims almos certain to weigh in) And we used to get a lot of our oil from them until Trump came along.

Saudi Arabia is Sunni and Iran is Shia'a. Also, if you call the mass genocide and alienation of Palestinians democratic, I better call the mods for genocide denial. Although I won't because that's just the easy way out.

I wouldn’t call what the Israelis are doing genocide but it’s definitely ethnic cleansing.

[Hammer Britannia]

Personally, I think we need to deal with the Saudis before dealing with the Iranians. But I would support a regime change either way.

[Emazia]

Saudi Arabia is Sunni and Iran is Shia'a. Also, if you call the mass genocide and alienation of Palestinians democratic, I better call the mods for genocide denial. Although I won't because that's just the easy way out.

I wouldn’t call what the Israelis are doing genocide but it’s definitely ethnic cleansing.

https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palesti ... erspective

According to Lemkin, it is.

[Heloin]

The 2 greatest US allies in the Middle East.
1. Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East

Israel sells our tech to China and Russia. And attacks our troops

2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a different Islam than Iran (I forgot whether it was sunni or shia and don't want to offend the muslims almos certain to weigh in) And we used to get a lot of our oil from them until Trump came along.

Trump had nothing to do with that. We became majority oil independent under Obama.

Also the KSA is a shit ally as they fund terrorist groups that we are trying to fight.

Some allies we got here

The best friends are the ones that you buy stuff from, then they use that money to pay someone else to throw shit at you.

[Khataiy]

If Iran is invaded I would be the first soldier to join the fight against the Safavids eagerly until their crimes are avenged.

[Scomagia]

And?

It's insane for us to go to war with Iran when we're actively aiding Saudi Arabia in their rampages across the Middle East and promotion of Islamic extremism abroad. But we gotta get that oil, amirite?

Are the Saudis currently threatening our military and civilian assets? No? Then sit right back down, son.

[Upper Saust Latiegebestica]

let me get something straight.
1. thank you for informing me which islam Saudi follows
2. What evidence do you have to support the "Israeli Genocide of Palestinians?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethni ... _Palestine
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180 ... ah-status/
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/c ... /palestine
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/i ... e-genocide

One is Wikipedia, two are biased, one is the Human Rights Watch. I can get you more if needed.

everybody knows that Wikipedia is Biased toward the left, just look at their Donald Trump Page.
also, that HRW article provides literally no sources whatsoever to back up those statements. Did you know that there has been no Jewish Settlement in the west bank and Gaza since 2005? They evacuated it.

[Thermodolia]

AQ wasn’t funded by the Iranians but the KSA.

I personally very much doubt the meme with "Every fundie in the Middle East and North Africa is a a KSA or Israeli stooge", to be honest. I don't doubt that the KSA was the ideological benefactor for it, but funding? Nah. Iran has a lot more to win from destabilizing the region than KSA ever would, seeing as KSA's money is what the US primarily uses for its missions to "stabilize" the region every so often.

Dude it’s literally recorded proof that KSA had a hand in funding AQ, ISIS, and the Taliban. Hamas is a Iranian puppet terror show

[Heloin]

>TFW you write a mini-newspaper article on NS and everyone just ignores it.

Walls of text are at best skimmed through on an online forum.

[Thermodolia]

AQ wasn’t funded by the Iranians but the KSA.

AQ was funded by the US at one point.

And it was a dumb move. We should have just let the Soviets do what they wanted with A-Stan

[Emazia]

It's insane for us to go to war with Iran when we're actively aiding Saudi Arabia in their rampages across the Middle East and promotion of Islamic extremism abroad. But we gotta get that oil, amirite?

Are the Saudis currently threatening our military and civilian assets? No? Then sit right back down, son.

SIGGGHSSSS

Americentrism - the perfect way of arguing! It's not whether it's right or whether it's wrong, but rather about the interests of the United States of America. If we were in the White House in a cabinet meeting, then the interests of the USA would matter. But not here. What about all the NATO countries that will be forced to join in?

[Upper Saust Latiegebestica]

Are the Saudis currently threatening our military and civilian assets? No? Then sit right back down, son.

SIGGGHSSSS

Americentrism - the perfect way of arguing! It's not whether it's right or whether it's wrong, but rather about the interests of the United States of America. If we were in the White House in a cabinet meeting, then the interests of the USA would matter. But not here. What about all the NATO countries that will be forced to join in?

alright, you make a point. But they have interests here to as well

[Thermodolia]

I wouldn’t call what the Israelis are doing genocide but it’s definitely ethnic cleansing.

https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palesti ... erspective

According to Lemkin, it is.

And?

[Emazia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethni ... _Palestine
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180 ... ah-status/
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/c ... /palestine
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/i ... e-genocide

One is Wikipedia, two are biased, one is the Human Rights Watch. I can get you more if needed.

everybody knows that Wikipedia is Biased toward the left, just look at their Donald Trump Page.
also, that HRW article provides literally no sources whatsoever to back up those statements. Did you know that there has been no Jewish Settlement in the west bank and Gaza since 2005? They evacuated it.

[Citation Needed] for both.

EDIT: Also, the HRW is a primary source. It's where other places reference to.

[Upper Saust Latiegebestica]

https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palesti ... erspective

According to Lemkin, it is.

And?

there is no genocide in Israel, rather, the Palestinians want to exterminate the Jews. In fact, they were openly supported by Hitler
https://www.ushmm.org/research/publicat ... -palestine

[Emazia]

https://ccrjustice.org/genocide-palesti ... erspective

According to Lemkin, it is.

And?

Lemkin founded the term and it's the most accepted definition in academic circles.

[Emazia]

And?

there is no genocide in Israel, rather, the Palestinians want to exterminate the Jews. In fact, they were openly supported by Hitler
https://www.ushmm.org/research/publicat ... -palestine

The article mentions what the Palestinians wanted 70 years ago. I need a more current article. Also, you still haven't disproved the Israeli genocide argument.

[Emazia]

>TFW you write a mini-newspaper article on NS and everyone just ignores it.

Walls of text are at best skimmed through on an online forum.

I mean, I can't really make my point in a much shorter way.

[Khataiy]

Iran wants to exterminate Arabs and Islam they removed Saddam in Iraq with America's help because they knew he was the only one standing between them and this goal, now their death squads run Iraq like a Mafia and they sent their gangs to Syria to murder, rob and rape its people, and after going unchecked in Iraq and Syria they opened a new front in Yemen which is a cradle of Arab and Islamic culture and civilization, they will take Palestine next if they are left unchecked Khamenei needs to be overtrhown and punished for his crimes he is a criminal, a thug, the worst of humanity. War is more than justified with Iran and I wish the Arab states had more courage to act than needing American help/permission to do this, Iran is a threat to the existance of Arabs and a natural enemy, they occupy Arab land and they want to alter Islam into their own perverted way, they even kill and attack other Shias who disagree with them or simply for being Arab. I doubt as much as it pains me to say this, but I doubt Trump will do this even though it is the right thing to do. I pray he does and this war is massive and paralyzes Iran and changes it forever to such a level that could avenege their crimes a thousand times over.

[Aclion]

Uuuuuuuh, no. The current generation is a lot more anti-Islamic, anti-IR, and (to a lesser degree) pro-Monarchist than the previous generation (you know, the ones who did the most idiotic thing the Iranian People as a whole have done in the last 200 years)

...and therefore less supportive of an Islamic state that overthrew the monarchy in the Islamic revolution.

[Khataiy]

Uuuuuuuh, no. The current generation is a lot more anti-Islamic, anti-IR, and (to a lesser degree) pro-Monarchist than the previous generation (you know, the ones who did the most idiotic thing the Iranian People as a whole have done in the last 200 years)

...and therefore less supportive of an Islamic state that overthrew the monarchy in the Islamic revolution.

Iran should be Balkanized Ahwaz is Arab, Kurdistan is Kurdish, and Balochistan is Balochi.

[North German Realm]

Uuuuuuuh, no. The current generation is a lot more anti-Islamic, anti-IR, and (to a lesser degree) pro-Monarchist than the previous generation (you know, the ones who did the most idiotic thing the Iranian People as a whole have done in the last 200 years)

...and therefore less supportive of an Islamic state that overthrew the monarchy in the Islamic revolution.

Yes. A lot less supportive of the Islamic Republic. If it wasn't clear enough. (I thought you meant the current generation is pro-regime, my mistake if you didn't mean so)

[Thermodolia]

And?

Lemkin founded the term and it's the most accepted definition in academic circles.

Yes I know. However Lemkin died years ago and what’s happening in Israel isn’t genocide but ethnic cleansing. They aren’t murdering the Palestinians en mass but moving them from their homes

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

There is no option to re-establish the british empire please explain