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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:22 am

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
No you haven't.



The Zapatistas have been running a Communist society for over twenty years now. I'm sure you'll totally concede that you're wrong after having been told this, and not instead go and say, "lol but they're mountain farmers so it doesn't count xD".

Every attempt to implement communism has been less like communism's intended purpose and more like a worse version of Nazism


Again, this is entirely wrong and ahistorical as all hell.

Also, I'm not even gonna bother with the Zapatistas. I was partially wrong, it works on a small scale. Putting it on the scale of a large country, however, is like putting Vince Russo in charge of WWE.


They have a larger population than Iceland, in a much more concentrated area and broken up into multiple, confederated communities. It'd work just fine in a large country; there'd simply be many more communities.

There's also probably some group out there that has made fascism work.


They're called the Axis Powers.
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Nakena
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Ex-Nation

Postby Nakena » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:22 am

I believe it is quite possible that the USSR could have survived into the 21th Century with a few reforms. However I doubt the eastern bloc would have followed suit. There were severe problems present, that had amassed over time.

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Risottia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:The answer to all those questions depends on how 1980s style Soviet communism could have not collapsed. What would they have done differently that saved their bacon?

How about Gorby choosing to grow a pair and having Elcin and his buddies quietly removed to the uranium mines of Buryatia?
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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:14 pm

Risottia wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:The answer to all those questions depends on how 1980s style Soviet communism could have not collapsed. What would they have done differently that saved their bacon?

How about Gorby choosing to grow a pair and having Elcin and his buddies quietly removed to the uranium mines of Buryatia?

He did however go on a bit of a purge after the Mathias Rust incident.
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