Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:10 amHow's that?
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Jon Stewart Ashamed of US Congress
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:10 amPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:13 amPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:17 amShofercia wrote:Got a call from Putin today, and he was all like "Shof, I know you love Jon Stewart, have you seen his latest video? Can you start an NSG thread about it?" And I was like "Sure, just give a small city in Russia or something" - so I got a harem in Nahodka. Joking aside, Jon Stewart ripped the US Congress over failure to provide healthcare to the first responders to 9/11. To those thinking it was just a New York Issue, Stewart said: "Al Qaeda did not shout Death to Tribeca!" Stewart went after both the Democratic House and the Republican Senate. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkMJgaHAkY
And the coverage that it's getting. Here's Fox: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/9- ... or-fundingComedian and advocate Jon Stewart teared into lawmakers of the House Judiciary Committee for skipping the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund Opens a New Window. hearing. “As I sit here today, I can’t help but think what an incredible metaphor this room is for the entire process that getting health care and benefits for 9/11 first responders has come to,” Stewart said. “Behind me, a filled room of 9/11 first responders, and in front of me, a nearly empty Congress. Sick and dying, they brought themselves down here to speak to no one.” Several congressional members were no-shows at Tuesday’s hearing to discuss the renewal of funds...
Gerard Fitzgerald, the president of the Uniformed Firefighter Association of Greater New York and a 9/11 first responder, said they were given a five-year projected cost of medical benefits and funds are rapidly running out.
“Unfortunately, because of the amount of victims that have put in for that money, it’s running out quicker than we ever thought would happen,” he said. “We’re a full-- more than a year out from when it’s supposed to expire (in 2020) and they have cut the funding."
Slate: https://slate.com/culture/2019/06/jon-s ... ction.html
PBS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... responders
So, what does NSG think?
Although I'm no longer a fan of Obamacare, I think that the First Responders to 9/11 should be given free healthcare for life; this is about a country's Soul, and it's not something that should be for sale; Congress disagrees.
Shof, you don't understand - they're to busy planning a war with Iran, and how to stay in Syria for another 15 years. Its not easy putting
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:17 amPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:23 amWell over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.
Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.
They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:41 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:Ifreann wrote:How's that?
Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.
Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.
They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.
How are we stealing American medicine? American company develops some new medicine, they sell it at a profit, our governments buy it from them, we get it in our hospitals. Where's the theft?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 amhttps://bigjolly.com/how-united-states- ... zes-world/
TL;DR single payer healthcare systems do not pay enough to cover the cost of developing new treatments and medication, only enough to cover the cost of providing it once it is developed. This is effectively a subsidy for these healthcare systems, which get the benefit of new treatments, paid for by consumers in countries with private healthcare, without needing to pay for the research that is required to develop it.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 amIfreann wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.
Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.
They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.
How are we stealing American medicine? American company develops some new medicine, they sell it at a profit, our governments buy it from them, we get it in our hospitals. Where's the theft?
At last, it is proven. Capitalism is robbery.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 amSaiwania wrote:Who cares what some liberal comedian wants? Fact is, I don't see US healthcare changing until or when that system collapses. Like government healthcare is going to solve anything asides from changing who pays for it (which will significantly increase taxes), and maybe making it so prices aren't inflated out of thin air, but have some relation to reality.
That liberal comedian as you put it is fighting for something these men and women are entitled too. They risked their health and very lives in our nations darkest hour. They deserve the health benefits and to treat them like political pawns and props is shameful and that's what he was talking about.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 amI have been enlightened, thank you, wise master.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:49 amSan Lumen wrote:Saiwania wrote:Who cares what some liberal comedian wants? Fact is, I don't see US healthcare changing until or when that system collapses. Like government healthcare is going to solve anything asides from changing who pays for it (which will significantly increase taxes), and maybe making it so prices aren't inflated out of thin air, but have some relation to reality.
That liberal democrat as you put it is fighting for something these men and women are entitled too. They risked their health and very lives in our nations darkest hour. They deserve the health benefits and to treat them like political pawns and props is shameful and that's what he was talking about.
His criticisms are valid, but to the Ruling Class, these heroes are nothing more than pawns, to be discarded when no longer useful.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:57 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:Ifreann wrote:How's that?
Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.
Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.
They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.
China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.
In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.
TIL buying something is stealing something.
Aclion wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
What
https://bigjolly.com/how-united-states- ... zes-world/
TL;DR single payer healthcare systems do not pay enough to cover the cost of developing new treatments and medication, only enough to cover the cost of providing it once it is developed. This is effectively a subsidy for these healthcare systems, which get the benefit of new treatments, paid for by consumers in countries with private healthcare, without needing to pay for the research that is required to develop it.
Doesn't add up when looking at the above sauce.
Germany and France both have single payer healthcare systems, and also invest billions in R&D.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:03 amThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.
Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.
They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.
China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.
In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.
TIL buying something is stealing something.
Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.
It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:13 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.
In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.
TIL buying something is stealing something.
Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.
It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.
Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.
China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.
They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:42 amThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.
It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.
Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.
China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.
They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.
Doubtful. Given you are relying on UNESCO numbers it's no wonder you have a skewed view of things.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:46 amThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.
It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.
Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.
China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.
They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.
Publishing papers=/=developing a new drug or treatment.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/a ... by_country
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.
Free markets don't operate with Monopsonies. The fact that single payers are, well, single payer means they can demand below market prices.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:48 amI see Emerald Legion's using insane troll logic to bash foreigners for trying to live, while implicitly shilling for a tragically unequal healthcare system in his own country.
OK, nah.
OK, nah.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:37 amTrying to live at my expense. Yes.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:39 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.
China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.
They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.
Doubtful. Given you are relying on UNESCO numbers it's no wonder you have a skewed view of things.
The US has lawmakers who believe medicine is sorcery. It is no wonder you are starting to fall behind.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:42 amAnd you all have lawmakers who believe communism works. Far more of them.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:13 amI'm ashamed that Jon Stewart still exists, tbh.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:27 amNova Cyberia wrote:I'm ashamed that Jon Stewart still exists, tbh.
Maybe all this is an attempt on his part, to be relevant again?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:28 amPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:36 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.
In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.
TIL buying something is stealing something.
Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.
It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.
First, legally manufacturing your own goods isn't theft just because they were invented in another country. Or is the United States stealing from Italy every time someone orders a pizza?
Second, the purpose of socialized healthcare isn't to make money, it's to provide healthcare, which it does better than corporatized healthcare according to every metric I've ever seen.
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:45 amDuhon wrote:I see Emerald Legion's using insane troll logic to bash foreigners for trying to live, while implicitly shilling for a tragically unequal healthcare system in his own country.
OK, nah.
The more people die the less we need to provide for.
True. Congress is in line with the CPUSA and the cabinet looks suspicious. Might have to carry out some purges like McCarthy did. Harsher, because the commies didn't stay locked up.