Jon Stewart Ashamed of US Congress

[The Emerald Legion]

They save money because they aren't actually paying for their own healthcare.

Other nations don't pay for their own healthcare systems?

Indeed. They piggyback off Americas healthcare industry.

[Ifreann]

Other nations don't pay for their own healthcare systems?

Indeed. They piggyback off Americas healthcare industry.

How's that?

[Nea Byzantia]

Got a call from Putin today, and he was all like "Shof, I know you love Jon Stewart, have you seen his latest video? Can you start an NSG thread about it?" And I was like "Sure, just give a small city in Russia or something" - so I got a harem in Nahodka. Joking aside, Jon Stewart ripped the US Congress over failure to provide healthcare to the first responders to 9/11. To those thinking it was just a New York Issue, Stewart said: "Al Qaeda did not shout Death to Tribeca!" Stewart went after both the Democratic House and the Republican Senate. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkMJgaHAkY

And the coverage that it's getting. Here's Fox: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/9- ... or-funding

Comedian and advocate Jon Stewart teared into lawmakers of the House Judiciary Committee for skipping the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund Opens a New Window. hearing. “As I sit here today, I can’t help but think what an incredible metaphor this room is for the entire process that getting health care and benefits for 9/11 first responders has come to,” Stewart said. “Behind me, a filled room of 9/11 first responders, and in front of me, a nearly empty Congress. Sick and dying, they brought themselves down here to speak to no one.” Several congressional members were no-shows at Tuesday’s hearing to discuss the renewal of funds...

Gerard Fitzgerald, the president of the Uniformed Firefighter Association of Greater New York and a 9/11 first responder, said they were given a five-year projected cost of medical benefits and funds are rapidly running out.

“Unfortunately, because of the amount of victims that have put in for that money, it’s running out quicker than we ever thought would happen,” he said. “We’re a full-- more than a year out from when it’s supposed to expire (in 2020) and they have cut the funding."

Slate: https://slate.com/culture/2019/06/jon-s ... ction.html
PBS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... responders

So, what does NSG think?

Although I'm no longer a fan of Obamacare, I think that the First Responders to 9/11 should be given free healthcare for life; this is about a country's Soul, and it's not something that should be for sale; Congress disagrees.

Shof, you don't understand - they're to busy planning a war with Iran, and how to stay in Syria for another 15 years. Its not easy putting Israel America First.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Other nations don't pay for their own healthcare systems?

Indeed. They piggyback off Americas healthcare industry.

What

[The Emerald Legion]

Indeed. They piggyback off Americas healthcare industry.

How's that?

Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.

Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.

They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.

[Ifreann]

How's that?

Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.

Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.

They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.

How are we stealing American medicine? American company develops some new medicine, they sell it at a profit, our governments buy it from them, we get it in our hospitals. Where's the theft?

[Aclion]

Indeed. They piggyback off Americas healthcare industry.

What

https://bigjolly.com/how-united-states- ... zes-world/
TL;DR single payer healthcare systems do not pay enough to cover the cost of developing new treatments and medication, only enough to cover the cost of providing it once it is developed. This is effectively a subsidy for these healthcare systems, which get the benefit of new treatments, paid for by consumers in countries with private healthcare, without needing to pay for the research that is required to develop it.

[Kavagrad]

Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.

Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.

They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.

How are we stealing American medicine? American company develops some new medicine, they sell it at a profit, our governments buy it from them, we get it in our hospitals. Where's the theft?

At last, it is proven. Capitalism is robbery.

[San Lumen]

Who cares what some liberal comedian wants? Fact is, I don't see US healthcare changing until or when that system collapses. Like government healthcare is going to solve anything asides from changing who pays for it (which will significantly increase taxes), and maybe making it so prices aren't inflated out of thin air, but have some relation to reality.

That liberal comedian as you put it is fighting for something these men and women are entitled too. They risked their health and very lives in our nations darkest hour. They deserve the health benefits and to treat them like political pawns and props is shameful and that's what he was talking about.

[Ifreann]

How are we stealing American medicine? American company develops some new medicine, they sell it at a profit, our governments buy it from them, we get it in our hospitals. Where's the theft?

At last, it is proven. Capitalism is robbery.

I have been enlightened, thank you, wise master.

[Nea Byzantia]

Who cares what some liberal comedian wants? Fact is, I don't see US healthcare changing until or when that system collapses. Like government healthcare is going to solve anything asides from changing who pays for it (which will significantly increase taxes), and maybe making it so prices aren't inflated out of thin air, but have some relation to reality.

That liberal democrat as you put it is fighting for something these men and women are entitled too. They risked their health and very lives in our nations darkest hour. They deserve the health benefits and to treat them like political pawns and props is shameful and that's what he was talking about.

His criticisms are valid, but to the Ruling Class, these heroes are nothing more than pawns, to be discarded when no longer useful.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How's that?

Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.

Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.

They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.

China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.

In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.

TIL buying something is stealing something.

What

https://bigjolly.com/how-united-states- ... zes-world/
TL;DR single payer healthcare systems do not pay enough to cover the cost of developing new treatments and medication, only enough to cover the cost of providing it once it is developed. This is effectively a subsidy for these healthcare systems, which get the benefit of new treatments, paid for by consumers in countries with private healthcare, without needing to pay for the research that is required to develop it.

Doesn't add up when looking at the above sauce.

Germany and France both have single payer healthcare systems, and also invest billions in R&D.

[The Emerald Legion]

Well over half of medical research is performed for profit in America.

Americans typically get better treatment than elsewhere, which accounts for some of the cost, but the real price jack is the fact that other nations refuse to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit out of a misguided belief that they should just do it for free.

They steal American Medicine, then have the gal to tell us their healthcare is better, when typically it's not only worse, but it's cheaper because they've literally robbed us for it.

China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.

In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.

TIL buying something is stealing something.

Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.

It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.

In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.

TIL buying something is stealing something.

Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.

It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.

Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.

China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.

They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.

[The Emerald Legion]

Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.

It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.

Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.

China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.

They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.

Doubtful. Given you are relying on UNESCO numbers it's no wonder you have a skewed view of things.

[Aclion]

Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.

It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.

Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.

China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.

They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.

Publishing papers=/=developing a new drug or treatment.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/a ... by_country

They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.

Free markets don't operate with Monopsonies. The fact that single payers are, well, single payer means they can demand below market prices.

[Duhon]

I see Emerald Legion's using insane troll logic to bash foreigners for trying to live, while implicitly shilling for a tragically unequal healthcare system in his own country.

OK, nah.

[The Emerald Legion]

Trying to live at my expense. Yes.

[The Alma Mater]

Doesn't look like 60% to 70% to me.

China, UK, Japan, and Germany together out number US medical studies.

They are buying it, making it, and distributing it. That's the free market.

Doubtful. Given you are relying on UNESCO numbers it's no wonder you have a skewed view of things.

The US has lawmakers who believe medicine is sorcery. It is no wonder you are starting to fall behind.

[The Emerald Legion]

Doubtful. Given you are relying on UNESCO numbers it's no wonder you have a skewed view of things.

The US has lawmakers who believe medicine is sorcery. It is no wonder you are starting to fall behind.

And you all have lawmakers who believe communism works. Far more of them.

[Nova Cyberia]

I'm ashamed that Jon Stewart still exists, tbh.

[Nea Byzantia]

I'm ashamed that Jon Stewart still exists, tbh.

Maybe all this is an attempt on his part, to be relevant again?

[Telconi]

I'm ashamed that Jon Stewart still exists, tbh.

Maybe all this is an attempt on his part, to be relevant again?

Can we not?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

China and Japan actually have more business sectors in R&D. 77.3% and 77.8% respectively.

In percentage of GDP South Korea leads.

TIL buying something is stealing something.

Which doesn't change that 60-70% of medical research is American.

It's stealing because they aren't buying it. They manufacture it themselves and sell at cost.

First, legally manufacturing your own goods isn't theft just because they were invented in another country. Or is the United States stealing from Italy every time someone orders a pizza?
Second, the purpose of socialized healthcare isn't to make money, it's to provide healthcare, which it does better than corporatized healthcare according to every metric I've ever seen.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I see Emerald Legion's using insane troll logic to bash foreigners for trying to live, while implicitly shilling for a tragically unequal healthcare system in his own country.

OK, nah.

The more people die the less we need to provide for.

The US has lawmakers who believe medicine is sorcery. It is no wonder you are starting to fall behind.

And you all have lawmakers who believe communism works. Far more of them.

True. Congress is in line with the CPUSA and the cabinet looks suspicious. Might have to carry out some purges like McCarthy did. Harsher, because the commies didn't stay locked up.