Hong Kong

[Othelos]

Protesters rally against the extradition bill ahead of the G20 summit. From cnn.

[Ethel mermania]

How are they not following the letter, if not the spirit of the agreement? At the end of the period they can do what they want with Hong kong, and if what was posted in this 5hread is true, the SAR is going to be dissolved. They will not need a extradition bill, they can just go and directly arrest who ever they want.

They agreed that Hong Kong’s legal framework would remain separate until 2047. How is dismantling that following the “letter/spirit of the agreement”?

1. Letter, NOT spirit. They haven't followed the spirit of the agreement since day 3. In 2047 the technical term for honk Kong s freedom is "Fucked".

2. They follow the letter of the law by making the extradition changes they want and a bill and passing it through the legislature. If they were doing what they want, they would just start plunking the folks they wanted off the streets now.

[Ethel mermania]

One thing about this I am mulling over was that in the 1990's, when the agreement was negotiated, the western consensus was that the PRC would politically liberalize/westernize over the course of the 50 year period, and while we are still midstream that appears to be very, very wrong.

[Tuthina]

One thing about this I am mulling over was that in the 1990's, when the agreement was negotiated, the western consensus was that the PRC would politically liberalize/westernize over the course of the 50 year period, and while we are still midstream that appears to be very, very wrong.

It was negotiated during the 1980s, during which PRC was liberalising. The revolution fervour had died down, it had started opening up its market, and the government was arguably most open in PRC history. While not all in Hong Kong was optimistic about the handover (the currency entered a free fall until it was pegged to USD), many believed that Hong Kong could return to PRC as a democratic division, if not the trigger of PRC becoming a democracy. Of course, it all started going downhill since 1989, though I think the relation between PRC and the HK population did not become screwed until 1997 where the handover itself, the death of Deng, the somewhat unrelated financial crisis, the mess legislature issue immediately preceding that, as well as questionable interpretation on how Hong Kong sort out its law spent most goodwill there was in the handover.

[Zurkerx]

Not sure if there's a separate thread for this event or not for this, but the people have stormed the legislative building.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/73755650 ... s-mark-han

[EastKekistan]

I support the people of Hong Kong. Seriously Xi and Kim need to be overthrown with minimal casualties.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

One thing about this I am mulling over was that in the 1990's, when the agreement was negotiated, the western consensus was that the PRC would politically liberalize/westernize over the course of the 50 year period, and while we are still midstream that appears to be very, very wrong.

They Fukiyama'd that one up.

[The New California Republic]

Not sure if there's a separate thread for this event or not for this, but the people have stormed the legislative building.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/73755650 ... s-mark-han

More photos here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48821640

[Saphria]

As long as Hong Kong remains laissez-faire and democratic, it is a threat to a centralized and united China, so this probably won't end well. The only long term hope they would have is foreign involvement.

[Aureumterra]

They also raised a British flag

Either they’re loyalists or they’re sending a satirical message that colonialism was better than Jinping’s empire, my bet is on the second

[Nakena]

They also raised a British flag

Either they’re loyalists or they’re sending a satirical message that colonialism was better than Jinping’s empire, my bet is on the second

Sometimes people only recognize what they had when they do no longer have it. Living under the Union Jack isn't really that bad usually.

Except on the british isles.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Hold on, there’s only one China. We have to support them against US imperialism.

No, fuck them.

[Heloin]

They also raised a British flag

Either they’re loyalists or they’re sending a satirical message that colonialism was better than Jinping’s empire, my bet is on the second

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Neither really. The Flag of British Hong Kong has become a symbol of independence of the territory in recent years.

[Aureumterra]

They also raised a British flag

Either they’re loyalists or they’re sending a satirical message that colonialism was better than Jinping’s empire, my bet is on the second

Sometimes people only recognize what they had when they do no longer have it. Living under the Union Jack isn't really that bad usually.

Except on the british isles.

They did kind of liberate us Icelanders from the Danes, so I guess yeah

[Saphria]

They also raised a British flag

Either they’re loyalists or they’re sending a satirical message that colonialism was better than Jinping’s empire, my bet is on the second

Sometimes people only recognize what they had when they do no longer have it. Living under the Union Jack isn't really that bad usually.

Except on the british isles.

I don't really see anything wrong with colonialism in general on principle. Just the practical application of it that has been bad for most places.

[Aureumterra]

Sometimes people only recognize what they had when they do no longer have it. Living under the Union Jack isn't really that bad usually.

Except on the british isles.

I don't really see anything wrong with colonialism in general on principle. Just the practical application of it that has been bad for most places.

Canada would like to have a word with you

[Heloin]

I don't really see anything wrong with colonialism in general on principle. Just the practical application of it that has been bad for most places.

Canada would like to have a word with you

And the Inuit and First Nations would rightly want a word with Canada.

[Aureumterra]

Canada would like to have a word with you

And the Inuit and First Nations would rightly want a word with Canada.

Canadians never treated them as badly as the US treated its natives, in fact, they are more advanced than ever.

[Heloin]

And the Inuit and First Nations would rightly want a word with Canada.

Canadians never treated them as badly as the US treated its natives, in fact, they are more advanced than ever.

That's an extremely low bar you are setting right there.

[Aureumterra]

Canadians never treated them as badly as the US treated its natives, in fact, they are more advanced than ever.

That's an extremely low bar you are setting right there.

That’s the point, Canada was one of the few countries that benefitted from colonialism

[Ethel mermania]

Canadians never treated them as badly as the US treated its natives, in fact, they are more advanced than ever.

That's an extremely low bar you are setting right there.

One barely reached.

[Ethel mermania]

That's an extremely low bar you are setting right there.

That’s the point, Canada was one of the few countries that benefitted from colonialism

And you think any of the first nation tribes believe that??

[Heloin]

That's an extremely low bar you are setting right there.

One barely reached.

Canada wins the "you could have been a lot more shit but all the others contenders were somehow even worse" award. They can wear that with pride.

[EastKekistan]

That’s the point, Canada was one of the few countries that benefitted from colonialism

And you think any of the first nation tribes believe that??

Who cares? White colonization of Canada was a net benefit to humanity.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And you think any of the first nation tribes believe that??

Who cares? White colonization of Canada was a net benefit to humanity.

Yep, kidnapping children from their mothers is great